Mar 24, 2008 10:44:32 PM
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nberry said:
None of these articles matter. We need to hear from Sportauto. Right? Kreso only pulling your leg.
Do you think it is possible for a German magazines to find the GT-R better as every other magazine has?
I suspect they will not test the car until the 997TTX package is introduced.
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AUM said:
I am fortunate to live 7 minutes away from an unrestricted autobahn that has fairly light traffic. I drive at 250+ km/h almost every day and really enjoy the thrill of high speed and rapid acceleration from 200-300 km/h.
But autobahns have bumpy bends that can be turbulent at very high speeds. And autobahns are public roads and extreme speeds do frighten slower drivers (so I slow down to 250 km/h when overtaking and negotiating bumpy bends). Most autobahns, however, have heavy traffic and chances to drive flat out are not frequent.
I also live 30 minutes away from the Nordschleife and it is here rather than on autobahns that I prefer to drive closer to the limit. The Ring tests driver skills far more than the autobahn. 200km/h around fast bends at the Ring (with the car near its limits) feels faster than 300 km/h in a straight line.
It seems the GTR will be faster than both a Turbo and a GT3 on the Ring, but slower than a Turbo on the autobahn. Only the GT2 is faster than the GTR both on the Ring and on the autobahn. But on a wet back road the GTR is probably the fastest car on sale today.
This is a remarkable achievement from Nissan that will result in better performing sports cars from Porsche, BMW and other sports car makers. I am very pleased that Nissan has raised the bar; it will benefit all of us.
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WAY said:
Kreso, if HvS can do it in 7:45, is it not possible that factory race drivers they used to set the 7:38 time could do it in that time given how well they know the car? As for autobahn, as I mentioned earlier, this car simply isn't built to be the fastest thing on the Autobahn. Think about it, how many buyers of GT-R worldwide would actually get to use their car on the autobahn, yes, even European owners! A very small handful. WHich is why only German manufacturers concentrate on that aspect.
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WAY said:
Kreso, if HvS can do it in 7:45, is it not possible that factory race drivers they used to set the 7:38 time could do it in that time given how well they know the car? As for autobahn, as I mentioned earlier, this car simply isn't built to be the fastest thing on the Autobahn. Think about it, how many buyers of GT-R worldwide would actually get to use their car on the autobahn, yes, even European owners! A very small handful. WHich is why only German manufacturers concentrate on that aspect.
7.38min is IMHO little bit overoptimistic time...
Even EVO stuff was carefull enough to said that final judgement needs to be saved for UK specs GT-R(February 2009) so, please try to understand my point-we are talking here about Japan specs GT-Rs...
IMO GT-R is great car indeed(although I simply do not like the way it looks).
Just I have a strange feeling that none of the European magazines will achive amazing times(with Euro GT-Rs) that are currently set by Japan GT-Rs...
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nberry said:
Just I have a strange feeling that none of the European magazines will achive amazing times(with Euro GT-Rs) that are currently set by Japan GT-Rs...
Kreso, I concluded this some time ago.The reality is Italian magazine find the Italian cars better and faster, German magazine find German cars better and faster and finally US magazines find the Corvette better and faster.
As others have stated, the GT_R may serve as a wake up call to European manufacturers that world class performance can be had for a lot less money than what we are paying.
Saurma could have tested the car in Japan but choose not do so. There is a reason for that and you know what it is.
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nberry said:
Just I have a strange feeling that none of the European magazines will achive amazing times(with Euro GT-Rs) that are currently set by Japan GT-Rs...
Kreso, I concluded this some time ago.The reality is Italian magazine find the Italian cars better and faster, German magazine find German cars better and faster and finally US magazines find the Corvette better and faster.
As others have stated, the GT_R may serve as a wake up call to European manufacturers that world class performance can be had for a lot less money than what we are paying.
Saurma could have tested the car in Japan but choose not do so. There is a reason for that and you know what it is.
Which is why you guys should be reading Australian car magazines as we don't have any sports cars produced here - only big V8 sedans.
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nberry said:
Just I have a strange feeling that none of the European magazines will achive amazing times(with Euro GT-Rs) that are currently set by Japan GT-Rs...
Kreso, I concluded this some time ago.The reality is Italian magazine find the Italian cars better and faster, German magazine find German cars better and faster and finally US magazines find the Corvette better and faster.
As others have stated, the GT_R may serve as a wake up call to European manufacturers that world class performance can be had for a lot less money than what we are paying.
Saurma could have tested the car in Japan but choose not do so. There is a reason for that and you know what it is.
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KresoF1 said:
Just one thing-facelifted 997 Turbo will be marginally faster on the Ring because of polished chassis setup but, belive it or not PTM setup will remain the same.
Current discussion about GT-R remaind me about recent discussion that my good friend and I had about best current autobox... He claimed that AMG 7-G Tronic is the best one... I said Jaguar XKR ZF autobox(the same one is in DB9)... He said to me:"NO way that Jag autbox is more sporty and at the same time smooth as AMG one!"... I said:"Go ahead and test drive XKR..." After test drive he ordered XKR instead of CL63...
So, my point is-that ugly GT-R could be THAT good indeed...
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SciFrog said:
The current 997TT NBR lap should be 7.42 (10s slower than 997GT2). But it is only 7.52. The new GT-R lap is probably 7.43-5, which makes sense as it is not that much heavier than the 997TT and tested cars were probably a little special... The facelift TT should be 7.38-40 thus settling all this performance discussion between the two cars. But it won't be. The TT is loosing massive ground vs all its competitors (Z06 GT-R LP560 F430scud).
Porsche better sort this out asap, for all you know the Panamera TT might be faster
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Crash said:
As for the PTM, can't they just reprogram the thing? It's just electronics, anyway .
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WAY said:
Which is why you guys should be reading Australian car magazines as we don't have any sports cars produced here - only big V8 sedans.
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WAY said:
Which is why you guys should be reading Australian car magazines as we don't have any sports cars produced here - only big V8 sedans.
The first Australian test (Wheels, I think) of the GT-R in Japan gave a 0-100kph time of 4 seconds and 12.1 in the quarter mile. Two people in the car though.
I doubt those figures are exciting enough for this crowd
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WAY said:
Which is why you guys should be reading Australian car magazines as we don't have any sports cars produced here - only big V8 sedans.
The first Australian test (Wheels, I think) of the GT-R in Japan gave a 0-100kph time of 4 seconds and 12.1 in the quarter mile. Two people in the car though.
I doubt those figures are exciting enough for this crowd
A very gentle start without launch control gave Edmunds similar results. I suspect launch control wasnt used here as well.
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Crash said:
As for the PTM, can't they just reprogram the thing? It's just electronics, anyway .
This is right on the mark. Hardware wise, the GT-R's AWD isn't even that ground-breaking. It can transfer up to 50% of power to the front open diff, via a series of hydraulically actuated clutches. There is no lateral torque biasing.
The real magic appears to be with the programming - it would appear that programmers are doing more with the available sensors (reading yaw, etc.)
Since the Turbo also has yaw sensors, one would imagine there is scope for improvement.
But didn't they want to make the 997 Turbo a more "lively" car, compared to the 996 which was too "safe" for some people?