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Feb 27, 2008 2:41:52 AM

SeattleGT3: Pilot; Loc: WA , United States; Posts: 431, Gallery; Registered on: May 16, 2005

Thinking of Trading my 997 Turbo on a GT3. Nuts?

Ok so the dealer calls me and has a GT3. I drive it home and there is a huge difference in Road feel, Seat of the pants fun, sound, Clutch........

I have had my Turbo for 19 months. Am I nuts? Its Black on Black , Sports Chrono, Ceramics....HELP

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Feb 27, 2008 2:55:23 AM

PandaMan: Senior; Loc: Canada , Vancouver; Posts: 503, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 1, 2006; Reply to: SeattleGT3

Re: Thinking of Trading my 997 Turbo on a GT3. Nuts?

Hard to say but whatever makes you happy! I'm sure I would like the GT3 alot more in terms of driving sensation. But I love my turbo for what it is a 911 with steroids and not to mention 2 back seats, with my exhaust , springs , GT3 alignment and 996 GT3 seats it makes my car a whole new beast!

I think the turbo is a good compromise for a 911. The GT3 is more extreme but also alot less usable for everyday.

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Feb 27, 2008 3:04:31 AM

SeattleGT3: Pilot; Loc: WA , United States; Posts: 431, Gallery; Registered on: May 16, 2005; Reply to: SeattleGT3

Feb 27, 2008 3:10:37 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: SeattleGT3

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

You should only trade if the car will see more track action than road action, or you are outgrowing the performance of the turbo (impossible !

)

The Turbo is one of the best daily driver's in the world, the 4wd system, power delivery are second to none.

The GT3 will suffer ground clearance, harsh ride (maybe not anymore on 997) issues if used daily.

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Feb 27, 2008 3:14:31 AM

atomic80: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bellevue, WA USA , United States; Posts: 2596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2006; Reply to: Moogle

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

Rich,

I've driven the GT3 on a couple of occasions and all I can tell you is that you're definitely going to miss the warp drive effect but you're right, it's a much more capable car in terms of attacking the corners. Personally, I wouldn't do it but if it were a second car then I'd do it. By modifying the suspension like I did, I now have the handling characteristics of the GT3 (95% of it) coupled with the warp drive effect! I didn't help you now did I?

I noticed that this particular GT3 has the ceramics. How do you like the differences in how those feel compared to your steel rotors/brakes?

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Feb 27, 2008 4:09:48 AM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: atomic80

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

Yes, you are nuts. Remember when you first got your TT? Did you EVER have at least a flashing thought that all other Porsche road cars are underpowered? Put that recollection in your pipe and smoke it.

I'm convinced the burst of HP is what make Porsches endlessly fun to drive on streets since you can't max out corners and turns (to appreciate both cars differences) without getting a wreckless driving arrest.

Just trying to help (guessing you don't plan to track it frequently); might be a biiiig mistake!

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Feb 27, 2008 4:58:52 AM

edz: Rennteam Pro; Loc: South Orange County; Posts: 2022, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 11, 2005; Reply to: MMD

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Do it as the gt3 is a hot car but beware that when a TT kicks your butt you will not be happy

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Feb 27, 2008 5:34:21 AM

silverrules: Senior; Loc: N. Calif , United States; Posts: 784, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: edz

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

I say trade the 997S for GT3 but not the twin for GT3!!!!! Will be costly if you regret later

Good luck either way. It's all fun.

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Feb 27, 2008 11:48:27 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: silverrules

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

@atomic80: Jason, have you detailed your GT3 handling changes to your TT in any thread here on Rennteam? I'd really appreciate reading that

Cheers

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Feb 27, 2008 12:07:37 PM

silvershadow: Senior; Loc: Zuerich, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 757, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 6, 2003; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

I like the GT3 a lot but personally i wouldn't do it

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Feb 27, 2008 1:07:30 PM

atomic80: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bellevue, WA USA , United States; Posts: 2596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2006; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

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easy_rider911 said:
@atomic80: Jason, have you detailed your GT3 handling changes to your TT in any thread here on Rennteam? I'd really appreciate reading that Cheers

I believe I did, did you ever see this thread?

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=401026&page=&fpart=all&vc=1

Sorry to highjack your thread, Rich. Back to the scheduled show now folks.

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Feb 27, 2008 1:16:04 PM

eclou: Veteran; Loc: Texas , United States; Posts: 1182, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: silvershadow

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

I had both, with the intention of selling the one that was less fulfilling to me. I sold the GT3. I don't live on the Route Napoleon or near the Tail of the Dragon so what I got on a daily basis with the Gt3 was a jarring ride. If you have very nice smooth twisting roads nearby or track a fair amount, I would suggest the Gt3. I too thought the grass might be greener but for me found it was not.

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Feb 27, 2008 2:34:50 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: silvershadow

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

Sorry to be so blunt but I'm in a bad mood:

The "interpretive" paint job on the wheels seems awful.

Bottom pic is "correct."

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Feb 27, 2008 4:01:52 PM

AAHTT: Senior; Loc: san diego , United States; Posts: 654, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 21, 2006; Reply to: MMD

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

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MMD said:
Sorry to be so blunt but I'm in a bad mood:

The "interpretive" paint job on the wheels seems awful.

Bottom pic is "correct."

ditto, they "forgot" to paint the inner lip

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Feb 27, 2008 6:32:20 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: AAHTT

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This line is just hanging out like a sore thumb! Eliminating it would have been better. At least isolating just the spokes might seem more sensible. Still..., not great.

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Feb 27, 2008 7:13:43 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006; Reply to: MMD

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

This is the Turbo forum populated by Turbo lovers. Ask this question on the rennlist GT3 forum to people who have moved from Turbos to GT3s and you will get a different answer.

Personally I am over Turbos unless they are the GT2 variety.

I suggest you answer the question for yourself. If the GT3 stirs your soul more than the Turbo, make the change.

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Feb 27, 2008 9:08:17 PM

LucasLuhr: Newbie; Loc: USA; Posts: 37, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 8, 2005; Reply to: AUM

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

Turbos are wonderful cars, but heavy and more GT cars than sports cars. The GT3 is the best of what Porsche does - a jewel of an engine, 8200 Redline, amazing steering feel, rarity, and most of all - complete purity. Turbos come and go, but the GT3 is the most engaging car money can buy. Period. Put the GT3 in your garage.

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Feb 27, 2008 11:52:34 PM

SeattleGT3: Pilot; Loc: WA , United States; Posts: 431, Gallery; Registered on: May 16, 2005; Reply to: AUM

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

Intesting this Wheel came from Porshe this way.

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Feb 28, 2008 12:12:49 AM

cannga: Expert; Loc: Los Angeles's "twisties" :-) , United States; Posts: 1940, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: LucasLuhr

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

GT3 is one of the best track cars in the world, but for daily use where the engine is not above 5000 rpm all the times, low end torque, power, and linear acceleration could be better. For daily usage, this is a high revving, high strung car with bone rattling suspension that is not necessarily "the best solution" for everyone. I would love to have one, but only for the weekends.

For road feel, seat of pants fun, etc., how about something lighter and arguably feel even more direct, like the Lotus Exige? What I mean is there is no best solution, you are going to gain something, and lose something every direction that you choose to go. There is a continuum and neither the Turbo nor the GT3 is the be all and end all of sport cars.

BTW, if/when

I do buy the GT3 (next generation, hopefully with better low end power and PSM, to add to my Turbo), the first thing I would do is find a way to get rid of that Taco shape rear wing. I know I am in the minority here, well maybe MMD, and it's purely a matter of personal taste, but the GT3 rear wing is the most awkward looking of all 911's to my eyes. But I know, YMMV, some people love it, I think it's kinda ugly.

The way you asked the question, I think switching to GT3 is a good decision for you. Don't come back and tell us we didn't warn you are going to miss THE be-all and end-all explosive acceleration of the Turbo though

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P.S. The way they stop production of GT3 altogether, is it possible some significant change (more power plus wimpy

PSM ??) is just around the corner? In other words, you are going to take a big hit trading in your Turbo anyway, why not wait and see the announcement? The car is produced in limited number, but it's no Scuderia, so what's the hurry?

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Feb 28, 2008 2:14:46 AM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: cannga

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If you get rid of the wing, you might unbalance the aerodynamics at high speed...

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Feb 28, 2008 2:21:36 AM

atomic80: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bellevue, WA USA , United States; Posts: 2596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

So, Rich, what have you decided to do?

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Feb 29, 2008 1:35:37 AM

Over the Hill: Pilot; Loc: Bellevue, Washington, USA; Posts: 386, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 16, 2006; Reply to: SeattleGT3

Re: Thinking of Trading my 997 Turbo on a GT3. Nu

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997CarreraS said:Am I nuts? Its Black on Black , Sports Chrono, Ceramics....HELP

Rich,

In a word yes! Every time I've seen you driving your car (3 times now) it has been in freeway traffic at slow speeds. If you must have a new car, try an Escalade on dubs with a full boogie sound/video system. It would be more relaxing to while away the hours on I-405/520.

Larry

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Feb 29, 2008 3:23:05 AM

atomic80: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bellevue, WA USA , United States; Posts: 2596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2006; Reply to: Over the Hill

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I heard from a little bird with the initials BM that Rich has most likely decided to get the GT3.

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Feb 29, 2008 3:25:12 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: MMD

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

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MMD said:
Sorry to be so blunt but I'm in a bad mood:

The "interpretive" paint job on the wheels seems awful.

Bottom pic is "correct."

I think this is meant to echo the FUCHS wheels

http://hcp.pca.org/Marketplace_Images/Outside1159640090.jpg

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Feb 29, 2008 6:42:13 AM

SeattleGT3: Pilot; Loc: WA , United States; Posts: 431, Gallery; Registered on: May 16, 2005; Reply to: atomic80

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It's a done deal, its just so different than the TT. Very excited about it. I am nuts, but nuts is good when you have my job. I will take better pictures.

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Feb 29, 2008 7:00:52 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: SeattleGT3

Re: Thinking of Trading my 997 Turbo on a GT3. Nu

If going and for an change you should probably consider the whole picture and go for an GT3 RS

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Feb 29, 2008 9:12:48 AM

gradyex: Pilot; Loc: S.F. Bay Area, CA.; Posts: 334, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 21, 2004; Reply to: Lars997

Re: Thinking of Trading my 997 Turbo on a GT3. Nu

Just a comment, in this months Panorama I saw 3 or 4 997 GT3's for sale but not 1 single 997 TT for sale. I know there are a ton of TT's all over the net but finding a GT3 is not rare and some have suposidly never seen a track with low miles. My point is that if you pay the $$$ you can find nice used ones and they are holding their values quite well compared to the TT. Intercity lines or a flight to a nearby state is all that is needed to get one to your house. These are used cars and you want to stay away from the beaters (weekly track hounds). I think the Turbo does a lot of different things that the GT3 can't. The GT3 has no rear seats, less torque, and is not suited for pot hole ridden roads and steep driveways (neither is the turbo for that matter). Also I like all the leather goodies available for the TT. The GT3 is the car to have if pure sports car drivin and occasional weekend track days suits your fancy. Congrats on the new ride you seem to have made the right choice. I have never drven one but have owned a 997S and I think the GT3 is a step up from that car with more simularities than the TT would share. Lastly I like the body style of the TT with the wider hips. Your car should hold its value very nicely by the way (white is the no 1 for the GT3 exterior color choice but silver and black are still runner ups). Enjoy her in good health! Congrats! I am sure you will love the raw feel of of a rear wheel drive Porsche!

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Feb 29, 2008 10:20:42 AM

BC: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 2586, Gallery; Registered on: May 19, 2005; Reply to: cannga

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

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cannga said:
GT3 is one of the best track cars in the world, but for daily use where the engine is not above 5000 rpm all the times, low end torque, power, and linear acceleration could be better. For daily usage, this is a high revving, high strung car with bone rattling suspension that is not necessarily "the best solution" for everyone. I would love to have one, but only for the weekends.

I gotta disagree... I havnt driven a 997 GT3 'properly' yet, but i owned a 996 MKII and it was my ONLY car during that period.
Was it bad being a daily driver?? Hell No.
Its far from being a luxurious, cosseting drive but its nowhere as bad as some may think.
The power may be at the top end of the rev range but its still plenty powerfull down low. Driving it slow is no problem. Ride? Bone Jarring? No IMO. It doesnt glide like a Merc but its far from uncomfortable... The biggest thing for me was the fact that the steering is so sharp so you cant relax as much when driving fast. Another is that the wheels/steering tramlines quite alot, following road imperfections...
Gotta say that GT3 can be used everyday and the newer version should be better in each and every regard

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Feb 29, 2008 10:31:01 AM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: AUM

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

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AUM said:
This is the Turbo forum populated by Turbo lovers. Ask this question on the rennlist GT3 forum to people who have moved from Turbos to GT3s and you will get a different answer.

Exactly right

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AUM said:
I suggest you answer the question for yourself. If the GT3 stirs your soul more than the Turbo, make the change.

Simple but very wise advice

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Feb 29, 2008 5:38:11 PM

cannga: Expert; Loc: Los Angeles's "twisties" :-) , United States; Posts: 1940, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 6, 2005; Reply to: BC

Re: Pics in the Garage. Not Mine yet

And I welcome your dissenting opinion.

I still stand by my original assessment though, which is the GT3 is NOT NECESSARILY the best solution for EVEYONE. Meaning, the ride is perfect for you, but not for me; the torque is good enough for you, but not for me. The explosive acceleration of the Turbo is a "must have once in a lifetime"

experience for me, but I won't feel bad if it means nothing to you.

If you post this question in the Lotus forum, I suspect there will more than one member asserting that the Exige is lighter, feels more direct, has arguably "better" engine placement choice and weight distribution, and is a "purer" sport car than the GT3. This is why I am having some difficulty scheming about my next car, GT3 vs. Lotus.

To me there is no perfect track AND road car, if you feel so about the GT3, I am happy for you.

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cannga said:
GT3 is one of the best track cars in the world, but for daily use where the engine is not above 5000 rpm all the times, low end torque, power, and linear acceleration could be betterI would love to have one, but only for the weekends.

I gotta disagree... I havnt driven a 997 GT3 'properly' yet, but i owned a 996 MKII and it was my ONLY car during that period.
Was it bad being a daily driver?? Hell No.
Its far from being a luxurious, cosseting drive but its nowhere as bad as some may think.
The power may be at the top end of the rev range but its still plenty powerfull down low. Driving it slow is no problem. Ride? Bone Jarring? No IMO. It doesnt glide like a Merc but its far from uncomfortable... The biggest thing for me was the fact that the steering is so sharp so you cant relax as much when driving fast. Another is that the wheels/steering tramlines quite alot, following road imperfections...
Gotta say that GT3 can be used everyday and the newer version should be better in each and every regard

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