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    Re: Raikkonen is Champion!! FINALLY!

    Kimi Won! and what a deserved victory that was. Without the prima donna antics of most other drivers, the cool, controlled, professional and very talented driver, finally gets his very deserved prize!

    Congratulations Kimi! Well done!

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    And thankfully Alonso can now toddle off to Renault to fight for 10th place!

    On a side note, wasnt Nico Rosberg impressive today? I would love to see him in a McLaren alongside Hamilton next year..

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    cgt said:
    to fight for 10th place!




    Just like Hamilton today

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    I am a happy man, the sport won.

    Kimi deserved this Title! For long ago!

    And today, this was a sport, as it used to be when Mansell/Piket/Prost.

    Kimi had to wait for six years, but he got it....by the way, his face looks much nicer with a smile than with ice on it. He looked really happy. Beleive me, at home we opened a bottle of Chapaign.

    Because the poor spectacle that Maclaren gave this year, only deserves the result they got, an inproper image for a British team. Ferrari, doing less noise got both championships.

    I do not want to blame on Hamilton. He is a very good pilot, and he tried everything he could. So did Alonso....but I feel that Mr. Lewis was too supported in his first year. He half lost the championship in China, very possibly because a team mistake, not accurate info about his tyres. And today, sorry, but a nonesense mistake at the beguining.....too much ambition. He should be more cool. I hope he will meditate and learn about what this year hapened. If he does so beyond the ego he has /and yes he has/ we will be, almost for sure a new driving legend.

    Alonso did what he could under such circunstances. You are the bi champion of the F1, they contract you, and then, you find an hipocrital enviroment, where everybody wants that the overprotected the rookie wins *including many decissions of the comisars, specially when his car was returned to the track with exterior help*. Well, I hate the crying boo, boo attitudude *sometime saw in Fernando*, but I have very clear that Mr Dennis contracted him to control the enemy, and his winner was Lewis from first.

    Well, three great pilots. I would desire a brilliant future for all.

    The real looser, and who lost the championship has been Ron Dennis, who did not know how to deal with the situation he created. F1 in every time more and more like a chess figth. And Dennis should also be as astute, and long term thinking, as in Ferrari they are.

    And UP with Ferrari and the wise attitude of Jean Todt, by the way, a great backgammon player. In fact, they behaved much more as a coherent team with coherent desitions.

    What I do not see clear is the future of Alonso. Any impartial attitude can see how Mr. Ron behaves.

    In the other hand, Alonso was not nice with Renault for a *better* team. In the other hand, Renault was mediocre this year......wow!

    Who knows....F1 ia as complex as Chess!

    Again, congrats Kimi and Ferrari!

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    What to say in the end? Kimi won and he deserved it big time IMHO.

    Race was excellent-drama as it should be!

    Hamilton? Great talent but, as I said few months ago-he wont be a champion. Maybe in the future but, just maybe IMO... Why? Ron Dennis is the answer...

    Any way...

    Forza KIMI!

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    Jeez guys , was you guys watching the right race , Kimi deserved THAT RACE but Lewis was robbed of the championship through a mechanical fault resulting in 30 secs + delay , pure and simple..Also , Alonso at the end , you could see blatantly was just so happy that it did not happen for Lewis and that looked pretty sad coming from a past champion..

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    congrats to kimi , he did well. i would have loved to see hamilton win, but the fact that alonso the cry baby lost made me feel better. IMO no pilot ever did what hamilton did for his 1st season

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    dhayek said:
    IMO no pilot ever did what hamilton did for his 1st season


    How many rookies have had the material that Hamilton has had this season?

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    gangajas said:
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    dhayek said:
    IMO no pilot ever did what hamilton did for his 1st season


    How many rookies have had the material that Hamilton has had this season?


    you may be right, but still, no one did what he did. if others could have done what he did with the same equipment still needs to be proven

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    dhayek said:
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    gangajas said:
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    dhayek said:
    IMO no pilot ever did what hamilton did for his 1st season


    How many rookies have had the material that Hamilton has had this season?


    you may be right, but still, no one did what he did. if others could have done what he did with the same equipment still needs to be proven



    Now I remember that J. Villeneuve did something similar to what L. Hamilton has done, maybe Hamilton is the next Jacques Villeneuve?

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    throt said:
    Jeez guys , was you guys watching the right race , Kimi deserved THAT RACE but Lewis was robbed of the championship through a mechanical fault resulting in 30 secs + delay , pure and simple..


    Well the commentators on American TV speculated that Hamilton caused the problem to his own car by having that near incident and driving off the track (upset the onboard computers or mechanicals)...

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    gangajas said:
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    dhayek said:
    IMO no pilot ever did what hamilton did for his 1st season


    How many rookies have had the material that Hamilton has had this season?



    Undoubtely non had. I can not remember a such unconditionaly supported pilot, with all the resources in F1.

    BUT, the result is here, a very brilliant pilot, with a brilliant future, and with rookie mistakes. Apart the support Lewis Hamilton has had in his career, you can-t deny , his impeccable *in most cases*, pilotage....

    and please, nothing to do with his hours of practice in the simulator!

    A simulator is not the real thing!

    He has unique conditions, as Alonso Has...as KIMI, The Champion.

    The problem is not the pilots, but nasty manovers of much older and richer ones that really try to moove the *circus*

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    Grant said:
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    throt said:
    Jeez guys , was you guys watching the right race , Kimi deserved THAT RACE but Lewis was robbed of the championship through a mechanical fault resulting in 30 secs + delay , pure and simple..


    Well the commentators on American TV speculated that Hamilton caused the problem to his own car by having that near incident and driving off the track (upset the onboard computers)...



    McLaren driver Pedro Martinez de La Rosa said the same thing. The car was overheating due to Lewis excursion off the track and that caused the hydraulic problem.

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    Byron said:
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    gangajas said:
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    dhayek said:
    IMO no pilot ever did what hamilton did for his 1st season


    How many rookies have had the material that Hamilton has had this season?



    Undoubtely non had. I can not remember a such unconditionaly supported pilot, with all the resources in F1.

    BUT, the result is here, a very brilliant pilot, with a brilliant future, and with rookie mistakes. Apart the support Lewis Hamilton has had in his career, you can-t deny , his impeccable *in most cases*, pilotage....

    and please, nothing to do with his hours of practice in the simulator!

    A simulator is not the real thing!

    He has unique conditions, as Alonso Has...as KIMI, The Champion.

    The problem is not the pilots, but nasty manovers of much older and richer ones that really try to moove the *circus*



    Undoubtely Hamilton is a great driver, but he has put himself at the level of Prost and Senna in some interviews, and that imho is excessive.

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    gangajas said:
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    cgt said:
    to fight for 10th place!




    Just like Hamilton today



    lol

    cgt keep dreaming !! , I'm amazed by your amazing comments, seriously!!


    I enjoyed every second of the first part of the race, what an amazing start, what a lot of pressure, what a lot of laughs, and probably the worse part of all is, not seeing Ron Dennis face when Kimi crossed the line, too bad it wasnt shown!!!

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    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    throt said:
    Jeez guys , was you guys watching the right race , Kimi deserved THAT RACE but Lewis was robbed of the championship through a mechanical fault resulting in 30 secs + delay , pure and simple..


    Well the commentators on American TV speculated that Hamilton caused the problem to his own car by having that near incident and driving off the track (upset the onboard computers or mechanicals)...



    WOW....I never had such a, a, ...creative imagination so to conceive that really unespected point of view like those the American TV commentators....that looks much more for me as the southern America soup series, than to F1.....but, of course anything is possible.....

    I doubt it. Hamilton, besides his first mistake, was figting as a lion during all the rest of race, to pick up all those golden few points he needed to be the champion, so IMHO, in that software, mecanical or whatever problem he had he did not provoke it...still, an interesting speculation.....he had no other mechanical nuissance from then in the rest of the the race.....curious, still, too imaginative. I do not think he is type of person that gives up easily

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    Byron said:
    I am a happy man, the sport won.

    Kimi deserved this Title! For long ago!

    And today, this was a sport, as it used to be when Mansell/Piket/Prost.

    Kimi had to wait for six years, but he got it....by the way, his face looks much nicer with a smile than with ice on it. He looked really happy. Beleive me, at home we opened a bottle of Chapaign.

    Because the poor spectacle that Maclaren gave this year, only deserves the result they got, an inproper image for a British team. Ferrari, doing less noise got both championships.

    I do not want to blame on Hamilton. He is a very good pilot, and he tried everything he could. So did Alonso....but I feel that Mr. Lewis was too supported in his first year. He half lost the championship in China, very possibly because a team mistake, not accurate info about his tyres. And today, sorry, but a nonesense mistake at the beguining.....too much ambition. He should be more cool. I hope he will meditate and learn about what this year hapened. If he does so beyond the ego he has /and yes he has/ we will be, almost for sure a new driving legend.

    Alonso did what he could under such circunstances. You are the bi champion of the F1, they contract you, and then, you find an hipocrital enviroment, where everybody wants that the overprotected the rookie wins *including many decissions of the comisars, specially when his car was returned to the track with exterior help*. Well, I hate the crying boo, boo attitudude *sometime saw in Fernando*, but I have very clear that Mr Dennis contracted him to control the enemy, and his winner was Lewis from first.

    Well, three great pilots. I would desire a brilliant future for all.

    The real looser, and who lost the championship has been Ron Dennis, who did not know how to deal with the situation he created. F1 in every time more and more like a chess figth. And Dennis should also be as astute, and long term thinking, as in Ferrari they are.

    And UP with Ferrari and the wise attitude of Jean Todt, by the way, a great backgammon player. In fact, they behaved much more as a coherent team with coherent desitions.

    What I do not see clear is the future of Alonso. Any impartial attitude can see how Mr. Ron behaves.

    In the other hand, Alonso was not nice with Renault for a *better* team. In the other hand, Renault was mediocre this year......wow!

    Who knows....F1 ia as complex as Chess!

    Again, congrats Kimi and Ferrari!



    Byron let me say, that your post is 10/10 , I couldnt explain it better!

    I'm happy for Kimi, for sure Ferrari was out of this world, just in another level.....they left Alonso at nearly one minute, simply insane!

    Although what I dont like of Kimi is his ultra low cold character, he was like a robot when he won the title! , may be is better like this, who knows!

    Poor Ron, Lewis, Mclaren and daddy....I'm sure they have learned the lesson for next year

    What about Alonso's future?, return to Renault? or stay in Mclaren.......will see!

    and btw, amazing little fight of Alonso vs Hamilton at the first curve, I was shouting !!!!

    Only 140+days for F1 to return!!!!!! , oh boy !

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    i just hope alonso won't be with mclaren next year

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    Undoubtely Hamilton is a great driver, but he has put himself at the level of Prost and Senna in some interviews, and that imho is excessive.



    Undoubtely he is.

    I have to agree with your words.

    And, as I preiously said,his ego is too big. And he is not guilty about that fact. It is his enviroment.

    Too many expectations in his BRILLIANT first year. Too much Daddy...too much generous mentor....LEAVE HIM MAKE HIS DECISSIONS!

    Comparing himself to those *monsters* is simply ridicoulous.

    And I sincerely think he has the wood to be one of them. He has the skill, the unlimited support...he needs experience of life, and above everything learning how to be humble...then he will be a champion....by the way, I think that this basic quality almost allways lacks in young people that reach the top of the mountain too fast.....

    ....including the *other two involved*, also with wood of champions... in fact, one of them, for me the most complete nowadays has already been twice....the other one one time...

    they all still have a lot to learn, but very great pilots.....In any case, they should watch out...other young *good wood* is knoking at the door

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    Incredibly Byron, I agree with you. Hamilton not winning the championship could be one of the best things to happen for him career wise as he will learn many lessons from it and undoubtedly come back mentally stronger.

    Maybe English is not your first language, but I have not heard Hamilton compare himself to Senna. He has said many times how he ADMIRES Senna, which the media have then twisted to say he compares himself to Senna. He would be a fool to directly compare himself to Senna and I have not seen one interview where he has done so. I think he has the potential to develop into that kind of greatness as he has a long career ahead of him and has a much cooler head than most others his age.

    Alonso, I'm sorry, but coming third in the championship is exactly what he deserved for all his childish whining behaviour this year. I know you will disagree with me but I'm not looking to start a fight, Alonso has not behaved like a champion in any way this year. If he was more of a man he would have beaten his team-mate on the track. Kimi was also beaten by Massa at the start of the year, yet not once did he ask for No.1 treatment, he simply got the job done. Alonso was actually very sporting in interviews today. If he had behaved like that throughout the season, things would have been very different.

    As an aside, several F1 sources are saying Alonso is out of McLaren for sure, it was decided before this race and they want nothing to do with him for next year. I cannot say I'm surprised.

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    Don't know what to say... F1 became absolute pornography... This scenario was written in an Italian newspaper 18.10.2007 - decision taken as a penalty to the mcLaren team! But then, didn't expected that the chiefs in this sport can be such f...s...
    I can't watch this "movie" any more... sorry!

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    Byron let me say, that your post is 10/10 , I couldnt explain it better!

    I'm happy for Kimi, for sure Ferrari was out of this world, just in another level.....they left Alonso at nearly one minute, simply insane!

    Although what I dont like of Kimi is his ultra low cold character, he was like a robot when he won the title! , may be is better like this, who knows!

    Poor Ron, Lewis, Mclaren and daddy....I'm sure they have learned the lesson for next year

    What about Alonso's future?, return to Renault? or stay in Mclaren.......will see!

    and btw, amazing little fight of Alonso vs Hamilton at the first curve, I was shouting !!!!

    Only 140+days for F1 to return!!!!!! , oh boy !



    Thank you Alex..

    BTW, Alonso overtake was brilliant! I was also shouting have to confess...

    I don-t hate Hamilton, I admire him as a great pilot he is, and I bet on him in the future....but I agree with you...JAJAJA, soy but the *family show* of Daddy with the umbrella, etc... was all year simply ridicoulous! LEWIS IS OVER 18!

    I hope Fernando will not be a prisoner of a contract. I hope, as many one ones that hate him, he will go back to Renault, cause I dunno think he can have a future with Mr. Dennis *Even Rons near future is also not so clear*....

    Could you seethe kind attitude with Fernando that Mr. Todt had today insisting him to be in the *photo*.......Is this a *wait for a while...one year*...I wonder..

    P.D.Please excuse if I can not put brakets or question marks in this computer...it is my wifes and she is Chinese, so she adapted it and I do not get my way!

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    I am going to wear my Ferrari jacket to work today! Well done Kimi! I am very happy, didn't think Ferrari was going to be able to do it. Well done indeed Kimi.

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    cgt said:
    Incredibly Byron, I agree with you. Hamilton not winning the championship could be one of the best things to happen for him career wise as he will learn many lessons from it and undoubtedly come back mentally stronger.

    Maybe English is not your first language, but I have not heard Hamilton compare himself to Senna. He has said many times how he ADMIRES Senna, which the media have then twisted to say he compares himself to Senna. He would be a fool to directly compare himself to Senna and I have not seen one interview where he has done so. I think he has the potential to develop into that kind of greatness as he has a long career ahead of him and has a much cooler head than most others his age.

    Alonso, I'm sorry, but coming third in the championship is exactly what he deserved for all his childish whining behaviour this year. I know you will disagree with me but I'm not looking to start a fight, Alonso has not behaved like a champion in any way this year. If he was more of a man he would have beaten his team-mate on the track. Kimi was also beaten by Massa at the start of the year, yet not once did he ask for No.1 treatment, he simply got the job done. Alonso was actually very sporting in interviews today. If he had behaved like that throughout the season, things would have been very different.

    As an aside, several F1 sources are saying Alonso is out of McLaren for sure, it was decided before this race and they want nothing to do with him for next year. I cannot say I'm surprised.



    I can not grasp why is so incredible you agree with me.

    Yes, Hamilton, for sure, will be a great champion..I would say almost for sure.

    My keyboard does not work well, and I need a lot of effort to write some coherent sentences. And you are wright. English is my third languagge. Please excuse my typing mistakes or my poor english.

    I just followed some words from Alex when my coment about Senna. And, of course I deeply beleive he can be as good as Master Ayrton.

    I am not here to loose my time in futile figths, *I already do enough as a Lawyer, and I am very tired about that* so we should agree in this point.


    Alonso behavour has been the same as the others, a young man that wants to win...at any cost....the same attitude as Hamilton* NOT the same as Kimis

    Thank you very much for the good news...Alonso not in Maclaren...lets see if they are more succesfull next year...

    and if Fernando has the chance of a reasonable team he demonstrates that the pilot is basic devoloping a competitive car.

    BTW, I am not an Alonso fan, but a fan of racing cars.

    Many thanks for your comments

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    Whats' this I've just heard on the BBC news about some investigations into the BMW team, providing Lewis a "slither of hope" according to the BBC?

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    throt said:
    Jeez guys , was you guys watching the right race , Kimi deserved THAT RACE but Lewis was robbed of the championship through a mechanical fault resulting in 30 secs + delay , pure and simple..Also , Alonso at the end , you could see blatantly was just so happy that it did not happen for Lewis and that looked pretty sad coming from a past champion..



    You see the way the championship works is that by winning THAT RACE Kimi won THE CHAMPIONSHIP. Admittedly it sucks that Hamilton got some bad reliability, but everyone has had some this year. It would have been different if this result had somehow wiped out everything Lewis had done to this point, but it simply made up a small margin.

    Would you call it "robbed" if this finish had been at the beginning of the season when Ferrari was having tech problems? Yes, everything is more exciting at the end, but points wise the problem wasn't that significant.

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    ResB said:
    Whats' this I've just heard on the BBC news about some investigations into the BMW team, providing Lewis a "slither of hope" according to the BBC?



    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63547


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    Byron said:
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    Grant said:
    Quote:
    throt said:
    Jeez guys , was you guys watching the right race , Kimi deserved THAT RACE but Lewis was robbed of the championship through a mechanical fault resulting in 30 secs + delay , pure and simple..


    Well the commentators on American TV speculated that Hamilton caused the problem to his own car by having that near incident and driving off the track (upset the onboard computers or mechanicals)...



    WOW....I never had such a, a, ...creative imagination so to conceive that really unespected point of view like those the American TV commentators....that looks much more for me as the southern America soup series, than to F1.....but, of course anything is possible.....

    I doubt it. Hamilton, besides his first mistake, was figting as a lion during all the rest of race, to pick up all those golden few points he needed to be the champion, so IMHO, in that software, mecanical or whatever problem he had he did not provoke it...still, an interesting speculation.....he had no other mechanical nuissance from then in the rest of the the race.....curious, still, too imaginative. I do not think he is type of person that gives up easily



    Maybe I'm confused, but I think you might have misunderstood. When saying that Hamilton caused his own problems, they mean that his mistakes caused the mechanical problem, not that he did it on purpose.

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    ResB said:
    Whats' this I've just heard on the BBC news about some investigations into the BMW team, providing Lewis a "slither of hope" according to the BBC?



    Wouldn't be surprised if the FIA punishes the BMWs and gives the title to Hamilton.

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    hope not but they have done everything to make Lewis the champion... if they disqualify the cars that stayed in front of hamilton i will stop seing f1 .

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    rosso nuvola said:
    hope not but they have done everything to make Lewis the champion... if they disqualify the cars that stayed in front of hamilton i will stop seing f1 .



    Me too, it would be really sad.

     
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