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    A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

    You may not like the GT-R, but this is a pretty cool article about how testing is done at NBR, with lots of pictures and a video.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066

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    We're here at the Nürburgring with Nissan on an exclusive invitation. Today it'll attempt to beat the 911 Turbo's lap time. It's morning in late September, and patches of roiling gray clouds that ebb and flow threaten to undermine the company's highly coordinated assault on the Green Hell.



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    The car has a brutal, chunky presence that does not come through in photographs. It is certainly not a beautiful car, yet its surface development is complex enough to grab your gaze like a grappling hook. Nissan wouldn't have it any other way. "We didn't want a nice elegant shape. We wanted an original shape," says GT-R Design Director Shiro Nakamura.



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    A three-year service program is included with the purchase of each GT-R. This program consists of wheel alignments and engine and transmission checkups every year. Only those dealerships willing to invest in this equipment and training required by the factory have a shot at having GT-Rs grace their showrooms. In Japan, 10 percent of Nissan's sales outlets will offer GT-Rs and we expect a similar ratio Stateside.



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    It's over before I expect, and in the end we clocked in at 8 minutes, 13 seconds. Our lap was not intended to be a record attempt, yet nonetheless represents an enviable pace.

    The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit. Those ominous clouds looming in the sky earlier in the day left their mark on two areas of the track, Kesselchen and Wehrsiefen, and required Suzuki-san to rein his speed in a bit.

    Beating a 911 Turbo around the Nordschleife is an accomplishment at any price, but pipping it by 2 seconds, on a partly damp circuit, at an estimated price point of $80,000 is something else entirely.




    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

    GT-R will not achive Nissan factory numbers in future tests by European car magazines. At least according to my Motorpresse source...

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

    Interesting. I am not so sure that GT-R won't repeat these numbers. Afterall, this project and company is run by Renault, so this is not going to be some japanese special.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

    I think the lap time is 7:38 is bullcrap.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

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    Modrocket_stereo said:
    I think the lap time is 7:38 is bullcrap.



    Agreed, I like how they also throw in "partially wet circuit" as if they could squeeze even more out of the car if it were not wet.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

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    temm said:
    "We didn't want a nice elegant shape. We wanted an original shape," says GT-R Design Director Shiro Nakamura.



    Objective achieved!


    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

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    temm said:
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    Only those dealerships willing to invest in this equipment and training required by the factory have a shot at having GT-Rs grace their showrooms. In Japan, 10 percent of Nissan's sales outlets will offer GT-Rs and we expect a similar ratio Stateside.




    So 90% of Nissan's dealers don't think the car is good enough to be worth supporting?
    Ouch!
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    It's over before I expect, and in the end we clocked in at 8 minutes, 13 seconds. Our lap was not intended to be a record attempt, yet nonetheless represents an enviable pace.

    The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit. Those ominous clouds looming in the sky earlier in the day left their mark on two areas of the track, Kesselchen and Wehrsiefen, and required Suzuki-san to rein his speed in a bit.






    And this was achieved in September?
    That car was seen testing at the 'Ring back in April that I know of, so we begin to understand what was meant by the word "ultimately" above.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

    These dudes are idiots... Not you guys but the people in the link.

    Cannot have a rational conversation with anyone there. If you bring up a different perspective, yuo are instantly against Nissan.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

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    Modrocket_stereo said:
    These dudes are idiots...

    Cannot have a rational conversation with anyone there. If you bring up a different perspective, yuo are instantly against Nissan.



    Man! 7 min. 35 sec. for a car weighing 1739 kg with just 480 hp!

    That is an incredible achievement!

    Or is it just incredible?


    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

    I am not sure if you read the whole thread but it kind went out of hand. Not on my part. These guys are killin' me.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R

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    Modrocket_stereo said:
    I am not sure if you read the whole thread but it kind went out of hand. Not on my part. These guys are killin' me.



    No way would I read the whole thread.

    The little I did read was enough for me. It helps you appreciate rennteam.com so much more.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

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    Modrocket_stereo said:
    I am not sure if you read the whole thread but it kind went out of hand. Not on my part. These guys are killin' me.



    That Mod seems to like his own voice. lol... Just bookmark the thread and wait for the official times to start arriving. It comes to those who wait.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    ResB, I might just have to do that. The people are so absurd and rude. I need to vow to never post there again. Fritz, I am with you man. Rennteam is like a safe haven.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    This is a better site

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    So I check out the link and the very first topic I go to I see the same member at the North American GT-R forum that was giving me a hard in that thread. Actually I see a lot of the same members from both sites.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    Yep i know the Fan Boys are there but it is in an English site and IMO they are generally more objective and (no insult intended) educated, or maybe knowledgeable may be a better word.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    Wow - those Brembos are no joke. Those look every bit as serious as the ones on the 997 GT3, if not moreso...

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    An interview with the lead engineer of the GT-R stated that the car lapped the 'ring at 7:49 with regular laps coming in the 7:54 - 7:56 range (whatever that means), so there is no 7:35 lap time for this car.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    More reasonable, still beats the 997TT though...

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

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    SciFrog said:
    More reasonable, still beats the 997TT though...



    It doesn't. The 997TT also did 7:49 with Von Saurma turning a 7:54. With the improved setup, he managed a 7:52, which undoubtedly lowers to factory time. Close, but no cigar.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

    One word....impressive. I think it's closer to 7:39 though.

    Just checked the clip again and the timing stops a good 5 seconds short of where it started! So, 7:45ish it is then.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

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    ResB said:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

    One word....impressive. I think it's closer to 7:39 though.

    Just checked the clip again and the timing stops a good 5 seconds short of where it started! So, 7:45ish it is then.


    Someone mentioned that such a timing procedure is standard - no need to add 5 sec...

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    Just a thought...

    Looking at the vid of the GT-R lapping the Ring, personally lapping the Ring with my RS in August, it seems to me that a good time at the ring is part having a properly set up car, part balls of steel, but mostly it's the knowledge of the track and the ability of the driver to anticipate the next part of the race track particularily at a high speed.

    This may sound weird, but is it possible that an engineer - and perhaps the ones who developed this particular GT-R that lapped the RIng with a 7:32 time, could engineer the car with software that "helps" the driver to anticipate the next part of the track via gps or a pre determined program built into the car?



    Utopia, maybe but just a thought

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    Just another thought...

    If this 'standard' GT-R did the ring in 7:38, how fast is their 'EVO' version supposedly in the pipeline?

    Faster than GT2 perhaps?

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

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    Grant said:
    Quote:
    ResB said:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

    One word....impressive. I think it's closer to 7:39 though.

    Just checked the clip again and the timing stops a good 5 seconds short of where it started! So, 7:45ish it is then.


    Someone mentioned that such a timing procedure is standard - no need to add 5 sec...



    I heard that too, I was just messing. Quick nonetheless. Porsche need to get their thinking caps on.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    Nissan really put their game face on. The car was so secretive that it was one of those cars that was in the back of everyone's minds; well for me atleast. How many years in was this car in the making? Five? Something like that. Here is to Porsche and many other sports car constructors out there who might be shaken by this vehicle.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    IMO Porsche will not feel threatened as they rely on people like me who have always wanted one!

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    For sure, if people want a Porsche or a Ferrari will get one. But you know that the engineers and even the higher-ups from these companies cannot help but take it a little personal.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

    I have mixed feelings for the car. It really is an accomplished vehicle but I cannot help but feel that it does everything for the driver. It's as if you cannot have an all-out experience like Ferrari's CST where there is nothing to save you other than how brave you are at willing to make ballsy moves.

    Re: A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT

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    Woolfe said:
    IMO Porsche will not feel threatened as they rely on people like me who have always wanted one!



    well, think again

     
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