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    Oct 11, 2007 2:07:16 AM

    Reez
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    Putting order in for Turbo

    Took April delivery slot. Going with Atlas Grey but have been going back and forth on interior. Trying to decide between black w/ red stiching or black/terracotta combo. Any opinions would be much appreciated (especially any pics of Atlas Grey with the black/terracotta combo). Thx

    Will miss my e46 M3, but i am sure I'll get over it pretty quickly...

    Oct 11, 2007 3:14:48 AM

    Heist
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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    Terracota, definitely.
    Adds a touch of refinement and calm to an otherwise "busy" interior.

    Oct 11, 2007 6:51:28 AM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    go for full terracotta...you will not regret...very rich colour

    Oct 11, 2007 10:35:13 AM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    I'd pick terracotta with slate, but not with atlas.

    Ideally, you'd want to pick an interior color that matches the exterior color's secondary tone. Slate is grey with an orangeish/brownish secondary tone, which is why it suits Terracotta perfectly.

    However, Atlas has a blue secondary tone, which clashes with Terracotta. IMHO With Atlas, go Natural Grey. Or even better, Natural Grey with deviating Natural Brown seats (option code is 25241).

    Oct 11, 2007 3:58:33 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    I dunno about the red stitching. Good luck deciding.

    BTW, I agree 100% with The Groom's color-coordinating reasoning above.

    Oct 11, 2007 4:33:37 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    Talking about deviated stitching, there is something that you absolutely MUST know.

    See the gear lever in the picture above? Do you notice anything missing?

    The stitching is stock grey, instead of black! It's a huge problem on the 997.

    If you order a Tiptronic car, you have the choice between ordering the Carbon Fiber package (or any of the wood packages), and the DAV shifter.
    With DAV, you get deviated stitching on the handbrake, and around the Tiptronic gate.
    Otherwise, it works because there is no stitching on the Tiptronic selector, and there is no stitching either on the CF/wood handbrake.

    However, it does not work on a car with a manual gearbox. If you order a manual, you MUST order either the DAX shifter, or the DAW shifter. It's the only way to spec deviated stitching on the shifter and handbrake.

    DAX, DAV and DAW are aluminum-leather shifters. You can't get any equivalent with CF or wood trim.

    If you want deviated stitching AND the carbon fiber trim strip on the dashboard, you cannot get them from the factory. However, you can order the dashboard trim strip separately from your dealer. Let him install it when the car arrives.

    Oct 11, 2007 6:08:47 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    I have to warn you, rennteamers!
    The Groom is back on the rennteam forum. He has a PHD in porsche options ... the best option consultant on the rennteam forum.
    This returm will cost you a lot of money if you order all the options he will "sell" to you...
    Welcome back to the forum, The Groom
    Carlos

    Oct 11, 2007 6:18:55 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    Quote:
    The Groom said:However, it does not work on a car with a manual gearbox. If you order a manual, you MUST order either the DAX shifter, or the DAW shifter. It's the only way to spec deviated stitching on the shifter and handbrake.

    DAX, DAV and DAW are aluminum-leather shifters. You can't get any equivalent with CF or wood trim.



    Adding more to the drama, apparently you cannot order DAX in the US at the moment, only DAW.

    Hey, I'm the other expert on options too. I've slaved my way through my Porsche doctorate program and successfully acquired my PhD.

    Oct 11, 2007 6:32:31 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    Quote:
    CarlosF said:
    I have to warn you, rennteamers!
    The Groom is back on the rennteam forum. He has a PHD in porsche options ... the best option consultant on the rennteam forum.
    This returm will cost you a lot of money if you order all the options he will "sell" to you...
    Welcome back to the forum, The Groom
    Carlos



    How does he know all this stuff?

    Oct 11, 2007 7:07:31 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo


    Oh, you have ruined my day. You mean Option Code 09991 doesn't account for this and provide the stitching in color if Option 803 and CDZ are ordered with the 6 Speed

    Oct 11, 2007 7:35:54 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    @Carlos :

    I don't know if I'm the best option consultant. Jason is certainly very well informed, and always informative.

    @RAKLAW:
    Unfortunately, option 803 (which includes the CF shifter) is not an Exclusive option, so it's not covered by 09991!


    To get deviated stitching on the shifter, you must order one of the Exclusive shifters. Fortunately, Jason has made this very informative chart :
    (except he got Design I and Design II the wrong way around )



    By the way, if ordering DAX/DAW, CDZ is included, so you don't need to order it twice. Similarly, DAV includes CFA.

    Oct 11, 2007 7:51:58 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    But isn't CDZ an EXC option.

    Oct 11, 2007 8:04:41 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    CDZ is... but the shifter (part of option 803) is not.

    In the black/red interior pictured above, CDZ does come with red stitching, but the shifter boot itself (from 803 CF package) does not.

    Edit: if I was not clear enough, CDZ is the small leather piece that lies between the PCM and the shifter boot.

    Porsche option names are infamously imprecise. For instance "Gear lever trim leather (CDZ)" is the abovementioned piece. But "Gear lever trim in exterior color (CDJ)" is the silver U-shaped plastic piece that's stuck between the shifter boot and the rear console.
    So although those options have almost the same name, they're totally different. In any case, despite the name of "gear lever trim", CDZ does not cover the shifter boot.

    Oct 11, 2007 9:08:14 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    For the record, I did not put that chart together. Someone else posted it and I just simply saved it for reference. I didn't realize that the Design I vs II were reversed. FYI, as far as I know option code DAX and DAW includes CDZ which would explain the higher cost of these two options compared to if you were to order DAD or even EGA by itself. I believe it was mr. imcarnuts who tried to get option DAX for his car but for some reason PCNA is not allowing US dealerships to get this option, only DAW is allowed.

    Here's a picture of what CDZ is


    I should also point out that with option 803, the e-brake handle does NOT include any stitching of any kind. Only the shift knob boot has stitching and as The Groom pointed out, this item isn't an exclusive item so therefore it will not be covered by 09991. Only DAD or EGA has the e-brake handle with stitching along with the shift knob boot but you can only get deviated stitching if you get DAW or DAX which again also includes CDZ. Otherwise, if you just stick with the standard stitching then you'd have to get DAD or EGA along with CDZ. Isn't this confusing already?

    Oct 11, 2007 9:16:57 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    Wow that red stitching reminds me of the movie Tron.

    Oct 11, 2007 9:36:20 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    I told you you need a PHD to understand that
    Even the acronisms of MMD are easier to understand

    carlos

    Oct 12, 2007 2:19:02 AM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    So, you are absolutely certain if I order DAW, there is not need to order CDZ? I know where you live ATOMIC!

    Oct 12, 2007 4:22:35 AM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    I know you do, Mr. JAMS997GT3. I'm ready for you.

    Oct 16, 2007 11:20:28 PM

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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    I only have a BS (in a lot of ways) in options but this is the email from Germany concerning this subject. As you can see, the gear lever trim and stitching is included in DAW. In spite of this email, as stated by Jason, DAX not available in the States.


    Dear Mr. Freexxxxx,

    Sorry for the late answer, I was on holyday till today.

    The shifter and handbrake including the deviating stitching and the gear
    lever trim leathered has the ordercode DAW or DAX .


    For any further questions please feel free to contact us.

    Kind regards

    Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

    Stefan Nadj

    The Groom - if the design I and design II are mixed up it is not Jason's mistake. The chart you included in your post was originally posted by me and I got it from another email I received earlier on this subject directly from the exclusive dept in Germany.

    Oct 17, 2007 7:37:37 PM

    The Groom
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    Re: Putting order in for Turbo

    Thanks for the explaination, imcarnuts. I reckon they changed their preferred nomenclature this year. The MY07 order guide does not mention "Design I" or "Design II", whereas the MY08 guide and the online Car Configurator do.

    By the way, I just noticed that, to make things even easier, your chart claims that deviating stitching is available with option CFP (DAD-style handbrake for Tiptronic cars). And so does the 2008 order guide!

    If that's correct, then there is no need to order DAV if ordering only deviating stitching, since CFP + CFA is 50% cheaper.
    I suspect it's a leftover from when they did not have the DAV/DAW/DAX options, though.
     
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