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Sep 20, 2007 9:49:30 AM

Turbo4ever: Senior; Loc: HK , Hong Kong; Posts: 723, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 13, 2007; Reply to: silvershadow

Re: 997TT Facelift

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Crash said:
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silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...

My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so .

yes . At the moment it's already possible to find 997TT with 30K km on at 110k EURO so i think at april, after the facelift announcement, you will find the same cars around 90k:

So you know the FL TT will be announce at April?

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Sep 20, 2007 12:57:41 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Turbo4ever

Re: 997TT Facelift

Made your order before facelift?

Tell Dealer to order a pair of tail lights and rear bumper and have them slap them on at delivery!!

Or..., reserve the right to buy these parts at-cost later.

My bet is once you get non-FL car you'll see it's not worth bothering with.

Buying these cars (ANY car) is all about losing money for us.

The FL is all about making money for Porsche.

Just trying to help: facelift isn't a big deal, nothing more than a minor PITA, IMO.

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Sep 20, 2007 1:41:29 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: roadtrip

Re: 997TT Facelift

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yet again, the re-freshing of a design is, imo several steps backwards, glad mine dosent look like this... i wish their efforts were more engineering directed, turbo s, pdk, sports exhaust etc. etc....sadly time is being spent on abominations like the new "special edition" cayman offering black paint, a brief case and pen for 11k.

IMO this is not a refresh, it's the Turbo S. I hope so anyway, if my car comes with the Lamborghini rear lights I'm going to be pissed off that's not the car I ordered.

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Sep 20, 2007 2:38:23 PM

Eric (Plug Guy): Senior; Loc:; Posts: 622, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 6, 2002; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: 997TT Facelift

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STRADALE said:

IMO this is not a refresh, it's the Turbo S.

Don't plan on it. TT S is at least another year out.

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Sep 20, 2007 3:55:37 PM

SoCal Alan: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Orange County , United States; Posts: 7268, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 6, 2004; Reply to: Eric (Plug Guy)

Re: 997TT Facelift

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IMO this is not a refresh, it's the Turbo S.

Don't plan on it. TT S is at least another year out.

So, 2010 model year will be the TTS? It might be worth the wait, for me, at least.

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Sep 20, 2007 4:00:23 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Eric (Plug Guy)

Re: 997TT Facelift

I hope Stradale is right for the sake of future Turbo S owners. Porsche would be smart to give this restyling to the Turbo S, because everyone knows Porsche will be screwing the Turbo S owners as the 998s will be coming out right after the Turbo S judging from Porsche's track record. This restyling would at least make the Turbo S owners feel a little bit special even after having a Scud missle driven up their bottom by Porsche.

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Sep 20, 2007 4:15:19 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Eric (Plug Guy)

Re: 997TT Facelift

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STRADALE said:

IMO this is not a refresh, it's the Turbo S.

Don't plan on it. TT S is at least another year out.

We saw TT mules testing at least as far out before the Turbo arrived. Plus I guess they could be out testing a refresh just because of LED lights but imo it would be more likey they would be testing performance modifications and not just to see if the rear lights stay in place. (although it could be the power-kit) IMO the standard Turbo will not see any increase in power, the increase will be based on the power-kit and the S. I think the Turbo has been out long enough for us to see S testing & imo that is what's in the pictures even though magazines are saying different. I agree the S is "at least another year out" but that means testing now.

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Sep 20, 2007 4:25:16 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: 997TT Facelift

Pic of the Turbo Cab testing July 2006, Turbo Cab not launched till July 2007:

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Sep 20, 2007 6:43:25 PM

berfes: Pilot; Loc: new york , United States; Posts: 328, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 28, 2006; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: 997TT Facelift

Post some pics of the interior...

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Sep 20, 2007 9:47:07 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: berfes

Re: 997TT Facelift

Uh oh! Looks like they're getting more aggressive looking.

Do you see this upper signal light aperture getting more pointy?

If so, it bothers me (wait..., EVERYthing bothers me!

) that they might just be plug-ing in another different shape (cheap and effective?) to make it look different for it's own sake.

What was "wrong" with the original shape (bottom photo).

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Sep 20, 2007 11:24:16 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: 997TT Facelift

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MMD said:
Uh oh! Looks like they're getting more aggressive looking.

Do you see this upper signal light aperture getting more pointy?

If so, it bothers me (wait..., EVERYthing bothers me! ) that they might just be plug-ing in another different shape (cheap and effective?) to make it look different for it's own sake.

What was "wrong" with the original shape (bottom photo).

That picture was of test mules back in mid 2006 not anything to do w/ refresh.

No, it's the same. The "original" is actually the top photo not the bottom.

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Sep 21, 2007 12:28:17 AM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: 997TT Facelift

Every time there is an update some former generation owners devalue the new design... for obvious reasons. Let's move on.

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Sep 21, 2007 5:52:17 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: MMD

Re: 997TT Facelift

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MMD said:
Uh oh! Looks like they're getting more aggressive looking.

Do you see this upper signal light aperture getting more pointy?

MMD, I think the front looks exactly the same! I guess since the 997 facelift will get a front similar to that of the current turbo (air intake, indicators etc.), there is no need to change the front when the turbo is facelifted.

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Sep 21, 2007 5:58:50 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 997TT Facelift

If the front stays the same and only the rear is different, does it means it's a butt lift instead of a face lift?

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Sep 22, 2007 8:26:12 AM

turbolite: Veteran; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1012, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 26, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 997TT Facelift

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Whoopsy said:
If the front stays the same and only the rear is different, does it means it's a butt lift instead of a face lift?

Excellent!!

...and they try to sell their customers as buttheads!

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Sep 22, 2007 7:14:26 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

Re: 997TT Facelift

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Whoopsy said:
If the front stays the same and only the rear is different, does it means it's a butt lift instead of a face lift?

Good one.

How about a weight-loss program of carbon fiber body panel implants?

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Oct 6, 2007 1:53:57 PM

Turbo4ever: Senior; Loc: HK , Hong Kong; Posts: 723, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 13, 2007; Reply to: MMD

Re: 997TT Facelift

can't wait to see more new pics...

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Oct 6, 2007 11:17:25 PM

edz: Rennteam Pro; Loc: South Orange County; Posts: 2022, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 11, 2005; Reply to: Turbo4ever

Re: 997TT Facelift

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Turbo4ever said:
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silvershadow said:
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Crash said:
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silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...

My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so .

yes . At the moment it's already possible to find 997TT with 30K km on at 110k EURO so i think at april, after the facelift announcement, you will find the same cars around 90k:

2006?? You mean 2007 as there was no Turbo for 2006
So you know the FL TT will be announce at April?

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Oct 7, 2007 12:08:13 AM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: edz

Re: 997TT Facelift

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edz61 said:
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Turbo4ever said:
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silvershadow said:
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Crash said:
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silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...

My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so .

yes . At the moment it's already possible to find 997TT with 30K km on at 110k EURO so i think at april, after the facelift announcement, you will find the same cars around 90k:

2006?? You mean 2007 as there was no Turbo for 2006
So you know the FL TT will be announce at April?

edz, 2006 was meant as in production year. Pre-owned cars here sell by year of manufacture, not by model year.

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Oct 11, 2007 8:04:31 AM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: Crash

Re: 997TT Facelift

These guys don't think there will be any engine changes:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/AUTO03/710100318/1149

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Porsche AG is giving the entire 911-range a mild makeover. The 911 Turbo -- as seen here -- might get a bit of polish on its interior, but the powerplants will likely remain the same. Exterior changes could include a new layout for the headlights, new taillights, and redesigned front bumper on the standard 911 -- with more aggressive air-intakes. The rear bumper will also be freshened.

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Oct 11, 2007 8:56:25 AM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: 997TT Facelift

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Alex (UK) said:
These guys don't think there will be any engine changes:

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/AUTO03/710100318/1149

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Porsche AG is giving the entire 911-range a mild makeover. The 911 Turbo -- as seen here -- might get a bit of polish on its interior, but the powerplants will likely remain the same. Exterior changes could include a new layout for the headlights, new taillights, and redesigned front bumper on the standard 911 -- with more aggressive air-intakes. The rear bumper will also be freshened.

That's silly...

The good thing is to let the current 997 owners feel better.

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Oct 11, 2007 9:19:03 AM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: 997TT Facelift

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997GT3RS said:
The good thing is to let the current 997 owners feel better.

Yup, why wait for an uglier looking car?!

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Oct 11, 2007 11:54:15 AM

Emperor: Veteran; Loc: London & Gothenburg; Posts: 1013, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 6, 2006; Reply to: ADias

Re: 997TT Facelift

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ADias said:
Every time there is an update some former generation owners devalue the new design... for obvious reasons. Let's move on.

Yeah and it's ridiculous.

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Oct 11, 2007 3:39:12 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Emperor

Re: 997TT Facelift

I still think this is the S and not a facelifted Turbo but.... Anyway if it is just a facelift its a step in the wrong direction.

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Oct 11, 2007 5:32:25 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: 997TT Facelift

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Alex (UK) said:
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997GT3RS said:
The good thing is to let the current 997 owners feel better.

Yup, why wait for an uglier looking car?!

Oh...

I forgot you just ordered a TT.

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Oct 11, 2007 5:33:06 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Emperor

Re: 997TT Facelift

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luwalira said:
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ADias said:
Every time there is an update some former generation owners devalue the new design... for obvious reasons. Let's move on.

Yeah and it's ridiculous.

+1

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Oct 11, 2007 6:45:03 PM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: 997TT Facelift

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997GT3RS said:
Oh...

I forgot you just ordered a TT.

If no DI or DSG, then the drawbacks of waiting don't seem to be outweighed by the benefits. Playing around with the aesthetics on a car that is already WAY too messy seems pointless to me.

The best thing by far about a Turbo is what's under the skin, if that isn't changing then what's the point of waiting longer and paying a higher price for a new model year?! I am certainly not buying another 997 for its great looks that's for sure!

If Porsche hired an Aston Martin or an Italian car designer for the facelift then that would be a different story. Although saying that, the guy that designed the Carrera GT seemed to know what he was doing!

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Oct 11, 2007 7:57:26 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006; Reply to: edz

Re: 997TT Facelift

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edz61 said:
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Turbo4ever said:
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silvershadow said:
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Crash said:
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silvershadow said:
Well...if the facelift is coming so early...this means that i could put my hands on a 997TT a lot earlier than i was thinking before. That's the only good point.
The drawback is that Porsches will now be losing their value a lot faster than before. Bastards...

My God, you're right! That means that one could get a 2006 car for close to 100k EURO in a year or so .

yes . At the moment it's already possible to find 997TT with 30K km on at 110k EURO so i think at april, after the facelift announcement, you will find the same cars around 90k:

You can buy a USA Turbo for 85,900 euro today.

2007 Porsche 911 Turbo

EUR 85.900
Data:
second-hand vehicle, 15.169 km,
353 kW (480 PS), petrol, Manual gearbox, Initial registration date: 09/06, Auto. A/C, black, 2/3 Doors

Fuel consumption approx.:
12,8 l/100km
CO2 emissions approx.:
307 g/km

Extras:
ESP, 4-wheel drive, Central locking, Immobiliser, Leather interior, Alloy rims, Navigation system, Electric windows, Xenon headlights

Description:
2007 PORSCHE 911 TURBO BLACK.

Dealer:
LUXURY MOTORS
3333 Charles Rd,
USA-60131 Chicago, IL

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Oct 12, 2007 6:44:58 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Alex_997TT

Re: 997TT Facelift

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Alex (UK) said:
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997GT3RS said:
Oh...

I forgot you just ordered a TT.

If no DI or DSG, then the drawbacks of waiting don't seem to be outweighed by the benefits. Playing around with the aesthetics on a car that is already WAY too messy seems pointless to me.

The best thing by far about a Turbo is what's under the skin, if that isn't changing then what's the point of waiting longer and paying a higher price for a new model year?! I am certainly not buying another 997 for its great looks that's for sure!

If Porsche hired an Aston Martin or an Italian car designer for the facelift then that would be a different story. Although saying that, the guy that designed the Carrera GT seemed to know what he was doing!

I also just brought a 08RS, so I didn't wait for the face-lifed either. But the point is the face-lifed is NOT just the exterior look. Don't lie to yourself. There must be something like DI/DSG/SOFTWARE/HP increases to improve the performance. And I heard seen the 997 isn't that much faster than the 996 and other sports cars are getting much better, the face-lifed models are mainly for improving performance.

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Oct 12, 2007 8:25:49 PM

Alex_997TT: Rennteam Master; Loc: Reading , United Kingdom; Posts: 3320, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2005; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: 997TT Facelift

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997GT3RS said:
I also just brought a 08RS, so I didn't wait for the face-lifed either. But the point is the face-lifed is NOT just the exterior look. Don't lie to yourself. There must be something like DI/DSG/SOFTWARE/HP increases to improve the performance. And I heard seen the 997 isn't that much faster than the 996 and other sports cars are getting much better, the face-lifed models are mainly for improving performance.

I refer you to RC's comments earlier in this post:

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat...true#Post302919

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat...true#Post383017

So at best no significant power increase, but most likely no change at all and power increases saved for X50 and Turbo S.

Surely Porsche will save their ace cards of DI and the GT2 mods (eg. new expansion intake manifold) for X50 and Turbo S. If they put these into the facelift then what will go into the X50, and then what will then be left for the 998 model?!

Myself, I would guess that hybrid technology research is going to be high priority as we move ever closer to the 2012 EU CO2 targets here in Europe. So the power war may take more of a back seat in the interim.

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