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turbosteff said:

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MKSGR said:

BTW: it is really remarkable how much you like your 997TT by now... For the benefit of the readers of this forum we might point out that until 18 months ago you never thought of buying a Porsche! Then I convinced you to buy a Porsche (don't deny it , you know it is true)... Actually, you bought more than one in the few months that followed...

And today: you are telling me - who is one of the major if not the only reason why you bought a 997TT - that I might argue without proper logic Very funny Very funny indeed

18 month ago you were convinced that the 997TT is a fast car with a lot of advantages for me.Today you are convinced that the 997TT is an under performer. That means to me: better not to listen to you because you could change your mind day by day....

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I changed my mind too... Was going to buy the 997TT cab, but so many little dissapointements culminating with poor NBR lap times made me look elsewhere. So many nice cars out there... Maybe the 998TT will be what you want.

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MKSGR said:

BTW: it is really remarkable how much you like your 997TT by now... For the benefit of the readers of this forum we might point out that until 18 months ago you never thought of buying a Porsche! Then I convinced you to buy a Porsche (don't deny it , you know it is true)... Actually, you bought more than one in the few months that followed...

And today: you are telling me - who is one of the major if not the only reason why you bought a 997TT - that I might argue without proper logic Very funny Very funny indeed

18 month ago you were convinced that the 997TT is a fast car with a lot of advantages for me.Today you are convinced that the 997TT is an under performer. That means to me: better not to listen to you because you could change your mind day by day....

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What is with your sense (or have you just forgotten what you wrote 30 sec. ago) : you wrote in the post above WR never confirmed 7.34 in AB??? Ans I think all rennteam members -the good informed and the uninformed members- knows that lap times on NS can differ within 2 seconds.
Or is AB not good enough for confimation?

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MKSGR said:

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turbosteff said:

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MKSGR said:

BTW: it is really remarkable how much you like your 997TT by now... For the benefit of the readers of this forum we might point out that until 18 months ago you never thought of buying a Porsche! Then I convinced you to buy a Porsche (don't deny it , you know it is true)... Actually, you bought more than one in the few months that followed...

And today: you are telling me - who is one of the major if not the only reason why you bought a 997TT - that I might argue without proper logic Very funny Very funny indeed

18 month ago you were convinced that the 997TT is a fast car with a lot of advantages for me.Today you are convinced that the 997TT is an under performer. That means to me: better not to listen to you because you could change your mind day by day....

BTW, you write that here. But then: suddenly you are interested in Ferrari - although you were never interested in Ferrari before Could it be a coincidence that I will take delivery of my 599GTB soon and have frequently outlined to you my reasons to buy it

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MKSGR said:

BTW: it is really remarkable how much you like your 997TT by now... For the benefit of the readers of this forum we might point out that until 18 months ago you never thought of buying a Porsche! Then I convinced you to buy a Porsche (don't deny it , you know it is true)... Actually, you bought more than one in the few months that followed...

And today: you are telling me - who is one of the major if not the only reason why you bought a 997TT - that I might argue without proper logic Very funny Very funny indeed

18 month ago you were convinced that the 997TT is a fast car with a lot of advantages for me.Today you are convinced that the 997TT is an under performer. That means to me: better not to listen to you because you could change your mind day by day....

18 months ago he expected the 997TT to be superior in every aspect to its predecessor. We know this isn't the case today. Anyway, buy the man a pizza instead of grilling him for his criticism of Porsche. After all, he suggested you buy this car, you did, you like it, apparently enough to argue with him over the internet, so what's the problem if he changed his mind? You love your car, he loves to criticize your car and everybody's happy .

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PPS: We will meet in Leipzig next year 559 vs. underperformer 997TT. Then we will see...

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an other Supertest fact:

Hockenheim

997TT: 1.11,9
996TT: 1.14,6
996GT2:1.12,6

Kind of funny, that in Hockenheim the 997TT is about 3 sec faster and on a track 6 times longer only 4 sec faster.

In Hockenheim it's even faster then 996GT2, but what goes wrong on the ring ->

PTM setup. It is(was) tricky on the limit. And PTM could be as well little bit too fast for most drivers on the limit(of course not for W.Rohrl).

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Second- If HVS test 997GT2 on Nring and get a 7.40 time on that test. What would we say about it compared to WR?? HVS must retire and must do barbeque at his home?? or something wrong with Porsche claims and real worl time tests.(As most of us including me,you,marcus and many of us assume SA and HVS as the most real one compared to other crap tests) Ok i understand there can be a difference but they have at least 8-10 sec difference which seems very high

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Second- If HVS test 997GT2 on Nring and get a 7.40 time on that test. What would we say about it compared to WR?? HVS must retire and must do barbeque at his home?? or something wrong with Porsche claims and real worl time tests.(As most of us including me,you,marcus and many of us assume SA and HVS as the most real one compared to other crap tests) Ok i understand there can be a difference but they have at least 8-10 sec difference which seems very high

If that's the case a certain someone in here will surely scream omg my god the sky is falling, Porsche disappoint me again, I will not buy that car and all sorts of negative vibe filling the board. I noticed there are people here who by cars based solely on HvS's numbers and ignoring everything else.

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Second- If HVS test 997GT2 on Nring and get a 7.40 time on that test. What would we say about it compared to WR?? HVS must retire and must do barbeque at his home?? or something wrong with Porsche claims and real worl time tests.(As most of us including me,you,marcus and many of us assume SA and HVS as the most real one compared to other crap tests) Ok i understand there can be a difference but they have at least 8-10 sec difference which seems very high

If that's the case a certain someone in here will surely scream omg my god the sky is falling, Porsche disappoint me again, I will not buy that car and all sorts of negative vibe filling the board. I noticed there are people here who by cars based solely on HvS's numbers and ignoring everything else.

At least Porsche would lose a buyer with me. They will not give a sh*t about guys like you who don't even consider buying it as they are fully satisfied with a standard 997TT Life is brutal isn't it

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At least Porsche would lose a buyer with me. They will not give a sh*t about guys like you who don't even consider buying it as they are fully satisfied with a standard 997TT Life is brutal isn't it

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What are you writing about my friend? WR never confirmed a 7:34 in AB... That is my point: you guys try to participate in a discussion without having a reasonable information basis at all. It is not enough to repeat wrong statements again and again. There are two ways for you to go: either get informed (which requires *reading* test reports, driving and discussing with well informed :-) Rennteamers) or focus on reading posts (of well informed Rennteamers ).

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an other Supertest fact:

Hockenheim

997TT: 1.11,9
996TT: 1.14,6
996GT2:1.12,6

Kind of funny, that in Hockenheim the 997TT is about 3 sec faster and on a track 6 times longer only 4 sec faster.

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At least Porsche would lose a buyer with me. They will not give a sh*t about guys like you who don't even consider buying it as they are fully satisfied with a standard 997TT Life is brutal isn't it

Hehe, no doubt, they have already lost you as a buyer for the 997TT, but the majority of the population are still snapping them up despite the so called 'disappointment'. Kinda sucks that the minority opinion cannot sway the majority. Reality sucks big time, Porsche deemed the 997TT is good enough for the masses and the masses are rewarding Porsche for it's efforts in making the car appealed to them by buying it in almost record pace.

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Second- If HVS test 997GT2 on Nring and get a 7.40 time on that test. What would we say about it compared to WR?? HVS must retire and must do barbeque at his home?? or something wrong with Porsche claims and real worl time tests.(As most of us including me,you,marcus and many of us assume SA and HVS as the most real one compared to other crap tests) Ok i understand there can be a difference but they have at least 8-10 sec difference which seems very high

If that's the case a certain someone in here will surely scream omg my god the sky is falling, Porsche disappoint me again, I will not buy that car and all sorts of negative vibe filling the board. I noticed there are people here who by cars based solely on HvS's numbers and ignoring everything else.

At least Porsche would lose a buyer with me. They will not give a sh*t about guys like you who don't even consider buying it as they are fully satisfied with a standard 997TT Life is brutal isn't it

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But there are more to a car than just ring times, I don't see you as a racer, so ring times are just for bench racing and bragging rights among friends, ie:

'Did you know my car can do the ring 3 seconds faster than yours in the hands of HvS?'

Big deal, if you ask me, that's HIS times and maybe if you are the one driving, you might ended up being 2 seconds slower.

If you are a real racer, then maybe the GT3 Cup car or even the GT3 RSR is more suited for the purpose? Pure race car with no street compromises. Fast enough for you?

But you do drive the cars on the street and only the first 4/10 of a car matters, one can never utilized the top end of the cars outside of a track, and even on a track, a skilled driver almost certainly will be faster in a slower car than a less skilled driver in a faster car, so for track duties, improving the personal skills is more important than getting a faster car.


Cheers mate, don't get so stuck-up on ring times

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MKSGR said:


What are you writing about my friend? WR never confirmed a 7:34 in AB... That is my point: you guys try to participate in a discussion without having a reasonable information basis at all. It is not enough to repeat wrong statements again and again. There are two ways for you to go: either get informed (which requires *reading* test reports, driving and discussing with well informed :-) Rennteamers) or focus on reading posts (of well informed Rennteamers ).

Markus I answer with your words:
BTW: Please discontinue repeating stuff like "WR never confirmed a 7:34 in AB". We are not in the Kindergarten here and the patience of the uninformed Rennteam community should not be tested beyond a certain limit The quality of this board suffers if such unfounded and unqualified statements are posted again and again.
There are two ways for you to go: either get informed (which requires *reading* test reports like Autobild, driving and discussing with uninformed :-) Rennteamers) or focus on reading posts (of uninformed Rennteamers )

PS I've posted this because I've been waiting for an answer to your wrong claim that the time is not proofed.

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an other Supertest fact:

Hockenheim

997TT: 1.11,9
996TT: 1.14,6
996GT2:1.12,6

Kind of funny, that in Hockenheim the 997TT is about 3 sec faster and on a track 6 times longer only 4 sec faster.

Is the 996 Turbo Hockenheim time with X73 suspension? My guess is that it isn't.

Why is this important? If any 997 Turbo lap time is achieved with the best suspension setting available, then the only valid comparison with the 996 Turbo would be one with the X73 suspension installed on the 996 Turbo. It then becomes a "best suspension" versus "best suspension" comparison.

I have never seen any NBR lap times (neither the small track or the big track) for a 996 Turbo with X73. I've never seen any NBR lap times for an X50 optioned 996 Turbo, and I've never seen any NBR lap times for a X73/X50 optioned 996 Turbo....I wonder why?

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Kreso, when can we expect some full tests of the 997 GT2 with all the figures ?

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I won't speak for him but he mentionned a jan issue of SA...

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Is that buttered? Wanna share some with me?

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Second- If HVS test 997GT2 on Nring and get a 7.40 time on that test. What would we say about it compared to WR?? HVS must retire and must do barbeque at his home?? or something wrong with Porsche claims and real worl time tests.(As most of us including me,you,marcus and many of us assume SA and HVS as the most real one compared to other crap tests) Ok i understand there can be a difference but they have at least 8-10 sec difference which seems very high

If that's the case a certain someone in here will surely scream omg my god the sky is falling, Porsche disappoint me again, I will not buy that car and all sorts of negative vibe filling the board. I noticed there are people here who by cars based solely on HvS's numbers and ignoring everything else.

At least Porsche would lose a buyer with me. They will not give a sh*t about guys like you who don't even consider buying it as they are fully satisfied with a standard 997TT Life is brutal isn't it

Nice gremlin

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VGA18 said:

Second- If HVS test 997GT2 on Nring and get a 7.40 time on that test. What would we say about it compared to WR?? HVS must retire and must do barbeque at his home?? or something wrong with Porsche claims and real worl time tests.(As most of us including me,you,marcus and many of us assume SA and HVS as the most real one compared to other crap tests) Ok i understand there can be a difference but they have at least 8-10 sec difference which seems very high

If that's the case a certain someone in here will surely scream omg my god the sky is falling, Porsche disappoint me again, I will not buy that car and all sorts of negative vibe filling the board. I noticed there are people here who by cars based solely on HvS's numbers and ignoring everything else.

At least Porsche would lose a buyer with me. They will not give a sh*t about guys like you who don't even consider buying it as they are fully satisfied with a standard 997TT Life is brutal isn't it

Nice gremlin

Want some?

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MKSGR said:

You confused the lap times quoted in AB (which is no wonder as I am quite sure you neither have a copy of the AB nor of most other articles we are discussing here ). Open your eyes, do some reading and refrain from posting stuff like the above. You should at least be able to read carefully what has been written before posting nonsense.