Oct 2, 2007 12:55:54 AM
Oct 2, 2007 3:33:18 AM
Oct 2, 2007 7:48:43 AM
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cibergypsy said:
I think it best to buy the car and tow it from the dealer to my garage and never, ever drive it because, if the sun and the rain are the worst enemies of my car, where on Earth could I drive it? A better idea would be to never buy one and just do window shopping at the local dealer! Since I've seen a couple of Carrera GTs and even a 959, that should really fulfill my Porsche dreams without worrying about the weather and the elements.
Oct 2, 2007 8:44:10 AM
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69bossnine said:
Variety is the spice of life... [...] it's wonderful that you can find happiness in just one machine..
But ... [...] I'm like a man-whore, just with cars instead of women....
Oct 2, 2007 10:29:04 AM
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69bossnine said:
Variety is the spice of life... [...] it's wonderful that you can find happiness in just one machine..
But ... [...] I'm like a man-whore, just with cars instead of women....
I totally get what you're saying and I agree with you in relation to cars but it also sounds like a recipe for having a different wife for each day of the week!
Oct 2, 2007 1:02:17 PM
Oct 2, 2007 1:11:08 PM
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Le Chef said:
Find a backroad or a track day with the nanny lawyers safely at home and out the way, and drive with PSM off.
Oct 2, 2007 1:57:10 PM
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cibergypsy said:
I think it best to buy the car and tow it from the dealer to my garage
dude, use a flatbed
Oct 2, 2007 1:58:52 PM
Oct 2, 2007 2:21:47 PM
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SurferDude said:
I highly recommend a track day in the rain, preferably in someone else's car. You learn a great deal.
Oct 2, 2007 3:09:14 PM
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cibergypsy said:
I think it best to buy the car and tow it from the dealer to my garage
dude, use a flatbed
Oct 2, 2007 4:18:02 PM
Oct 2, 2007 5:55:23 PM
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cibergypsy said:
I think it best to buy the car and tow it from the dealer to my garage
dude, use a flatbed
No sh*t! Is there any other way??? The action of transporting a car from one place to another, be it in a flatbed or a traditional tow truck is still called towing, isn't it? It's so obvious that a flatbed is needed to tow a car like a Porsche 911 that it doesn't need to be stated here amongst fellow enthusiasts, does it? Therefore, when I stated that it would be better to buy the car at the dealer and tow it to the garage at home, I was implying a flatbed because it is so obvious it doesn't need clarification.
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MMD said:
Get a dehumidifier for your garage. Drive wet car with beaded-up water all over it. Turn on unit. Come back next day everything is (looks) dry. Keep it running for a few days after that.
Oh, before garaging it? I give the wheel wells a gentle rinse with garden hose equipped with "greenhouse" nozzle (fine controllable spray) without hitting brake rotors, to rinse loose dirt off. same treatment to lower body panels. When dirt drys it sticks.
Oct 2, 2007 6:25:03 PM
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racerx said:Quote:
cibergypsy said:
I think it best to buy the car and tow it from the dealer to my garage
dude, use a flatbed
No sh*t! Is there any other way??? The action of transporting a car from one place to another, be it in a flatbed or a traditional tow truck is still called towing, isn't it? It's so obvious that a flatbed is needed to tow a car like a Porsche 911 that it doesn't need to be stated here amongst fellow enthusiasts, does it? Therefore, when I stated that it would be better to buy the car at the dealer and tow it to the garage at home, I was implying a flatbed because it is so obvious it doesn't need clarification.
That post of mine was only to give everyone a laugh. That's why I used the term DUDE.
This is not directed at you cybergypsy but out to all and especially those who think driving in the rain is some claim to He-manliness.
I drive mine 50/50 between my own spirited runs and group spirited runs in the dry.
In the past few years, with the advent of these car message boards group rides have become easy to organise.
I have gone on many such rides. We have had all makes and models at these rides, everyone gets invited.
The irony is the supposed garage queens, the ferraris, lambos's, and my babied 928 are the majority of the participants. Besides a 993tt and a CGT porsche is hardly represented. Only once have 996/997's shown.
They had ample notice, yet in my admittedly anecdotal research i have to say US 997/996 drivers outside of NYC do very little spirited driving. Don't tell me about track days because the F car, L car crowd does that also.
Sitting in rainy bumper to bumper traffic on the way to a cubicle is hardly what Ferry had in mind.
just my .02 based on years of experience.
Next time you see someone trying to get a ride going, join in, all that i have been on have been with responsible, intelligent people.
Oct 2, 2007 6:45:29 PM
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STRADALE said:
What happens when you drive your car in the rain all the time is that it repeatedly gets exposed to much more dirt & everything that is on the road then if not driven in the rain. The dirty water from driving in the rain gets into everything so after time parts look cruddy. Regular washings deminish the difference of a car used in the rain all the time vs one that is not but cars that are kept up and never driven in the rain will look better over time (given equal levels of care) than those that are not. Washing a car is different than rain because when washing you are using clean water and not the water that comes up from the roads/highways when you drive on them. With my Ferrari I've gotten caught out in the rain but try to avoid taking the car out if it's already raining. Same with my Porsche but to a lesser degree. Usually if it's raining I'll take my SUV which I prefer to be in anyway when conditions are wet outside but have been out in the Porsche numerous times when it rained and its no big deal but try and wash the car as soon as possible to prevent all the dirty water & road pollution/contamination from settling too long... But to answer your question, what people are referring to when they talk about a car not driven in the rain is - Basically cars that are kept garaged could potentially be in cleaner condition that those that are used in the rain all the time. But IMO excellent car care is a much bigger factor in condition than a car driven in the rain vs one that is not.
Oct 2, 2007 8:43:50 PM
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MMD said:
Get a dehumidifier for your garage. Drive wet car with beaded-up water all over it. Turn on unit. Come back next day everything is (looks) dry. Keep it running for a few days after that.
Oh, before garaging it? I give the wheel wells a gentle rinse with garden hose equipped with "greenhouse" nozzle (fine controllable spray) without hitting brake rotors, to rinse loose dirt off. same treatment to lower body panels. When dirt drys it sticks.
So you have a dry, dirty car? No thanks, I prefer to get all the dirt and grime from a drive in the rain off asasp with a good wash. It's the air containment's that if left on paint, rims etc. and if not washed & every now clayed off that makes paint & everything else rough & eats away at the clear coat.
If you have enough time to break out the hose you have enough time to wash your car, squirting water at the dirt on your rims may losen some dust but the dirt from driviving around is still there, it's best to wash it off w/ car wash soap, etc. W/ CCM's like on my 430 it's really not as much as an issue but w/ the Porsche's iron rotors all that brake dust gets baked into your rims over time if it's not washed off. And not just w/ water. To my eyes it's always obvious if a 911 has been taken care of properly or not usually the cars with the baked on brake dust/dirt on the rims are the same cars with swirl marks head to toe. But to each their own...
Oct 3, 2007 5:27:06 AM
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cibergypsy said:
I think it best to buy the car and tow it from the dealer to my garage
dude, use a flatbed
Actually there are worse examples in real life
Go figure: In the underground parking of "my" Porsche Centre waits a spanking new CGT (o.k. not that new anymore..) to be picked up by the owner since 18 months . The guy (collector type) wired the money and when asked by the salesguy when he would pick up his gem repeatedly answered: Sorry, no time - but it doesn't make a difference anyway whether the car sleeps in my garage or in yours"
Oct 3, 2007 12:30:02 PM
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SVNSVN said:
The C4S is great in the rain. I prefer not to drive it then because folks where I live tend to lose their minds in the wet.I guess they believe it means you should speed up, follow closer and generally drive like a maniac. There's always numerous accidents, especially after the 1st rain..
Oct 3, 2007 12:47:35 PM
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cibergypsy said:
Then they dare flick you off if you call their attention for being utterly stupid and the worst drivers possible - and sometimes shooting you out of road rage.
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MMD said:
Get a dehumidifier for your garage. Drive wet car with beaded-up water all over it. Turn on unit. Come back next day everything is (looks) dry. Keep it running for a few days after that.
Oh, before garaging it? I give the wheel wells a gentle rinse with garden hose equipped with "greenhouse" nozzle (fine controllable spray) without hitting brake rotors, to rinse loose dirt off. same treatment to lower body panels. When dirt drys it sticks.
So you have a dry, dirty car? No thanks, I prefer to get all the dirt and grime from a drive in the rain off asasp with a good wash. It's the air containment's that if left on paint, rims etc. and if not washed & every now clayed off that makes paint & everything else rough & eats away at the clear coat.
If you have enough time to break out the hose you have enough time to wash your car, squirting water at the dirt on your rims may losen some dust but the dirt from driviving around is still there, it's best to wash it off w/ car wash soap, etc. W/ CCM's like on my 430 it's really not as much as an issue but w/ the Porsche's iron rotors all that brake dust gets baked into your rims over time if it's not washed off. And not just w/ water. To my eyes it's always obvious if a 911 has been taken care of properly or not usually the cars with the baked on brake dust/dirt on the rims are the same cars with swirl marks head to toe. But to each their own...
Yes, you make good points.
My quick rinse of dirt is still a good idea because:
There's often no time to wash a car when you get home.
It's probably still raining and can't wash a car in the rain.
and most importantly: when you DO wash the car there's LESS gritty dirt attached to the paint because it was rinsed off before it had a chance to dry and fix itself to paint. IOW, less dirt attached to paint means less impossible-to-eliminate-totally "wet sanding" to get it off.
No sh*t I always rinse car off (with garden nozzle) when I get home after it's been raining. No big deal! Avoid getting the rotors wet and it can't hurt.
Oct 3, 2007 5:34:33 PM
Oct 3, 2007 8:35:06 PM
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cibergypsy said:
Then they dare flick you off if you call their attention for being utterly stupid and the worst drivers possible - and sometimes shooting you out of road rage.
Don't do anything to cause another driver to flick you off (not that I'm accusing you or anyone specifically of doing so).
It's like people like that are _destined_ to get in big trouble.
I always treat other freakazoid bad drivers as if they were wild animals. They always get the right-of-way from me and I always stay out of their reach.
Now if I drove an old beater pick-up truck and didn't shave for a few days maybe I'd get into the game more ... . No..., never mind that because they'd get my name and address from their cousin who works at the Department of Motor Vehicles.
Oct 3, 2007 11:16:06 PM
Oct 3, 2007 11:43:09 PM
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cibergypsy said:
Then they dare flick you off if you call their attention for being utterly stupid and the worst drivers possible - and sometimes shooting you out of road rage.
Don't do anything to cause another driver to flick you off (not that I'm accusing you or anyone specifically of doing so).
It's like people like that are _destined_ to get in big trouble.
I always treat other freakazoid bad drivers as if they were wild animals. They always get the right-of-way from me and I always stay out of their reach.
Now if I drove an old beater pick-up truck and didn't shave for a few days maybe I'd get into the game more ... . No..., never mind that because they'd get my name and address from their cousin who works at the Department of Motor Vehicles.