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Sep 29, 2007 3:44:55 PM
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Modrocket_stereo said:
Are we reading the same sentence? I believe you are misinterpreting the sentence. 'The traction control is subtle, if not as clever as the 430 Scuderia's.'
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Modrocket_stereo said:
Are we reading the same sentence? I believe you are misinterpreting the sentence. 'The traction control is subtle, if not as clever as the 430 Scuderia's.'
I believe the writer meant the stability management system of the Scud is technically better though both are effective. More importantly, it is clear he preferred the GT3 over the GT2.
Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
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Modrocket_stereo said:
Are we reading the same sentence? I believe you are misinterpreting the sentence. 'The traction control is subtle, if not as clever as the 430 Scuderia's.'
I believe the writer meant the stability management system of the Scud is technically better though both are effective. More importantly, it is clear he preferred the GT3 over the GT2.
Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
No, the writer didn't imply that the Scud stability management was better. It was simply stated that it had more settings. Personally, I see no need for a half-assed stabiliy system. It is either ON, because you can't afford to do anything stupid, or it is OFF. Anything in-between is useless IMO.
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Sep 29, 2007 11:38:41 PM
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SciFrog said:
doesn't look like they will struggle to sell the gt2 as the allocation is less than one per dealer in the us and dealers are asking 50k over... Friend of mine cannot find one at msrp. P playing F game, not good for the costumer. Another car I won't get... Maybe they are trying to reduce us allocations as the usd is getting pounded...
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SciFrog said:
doesn't look like they will struggle to sell the gt2 as the allocation is less than one per dealer in the us and dealers are asking 50k over... Friend of mine cannot find one at msrp. P playing F game, not good for the costumer. Another car I won't get... Maybe they are trying to reduce us allocations as the usd is getting pounded...
....the clueless/non-plugged-in F buyer who needs to buy Scud at mkt upon launch will prob absorb $50-70K in one-yr deprec costs...much less than GT2/65...and similar to 997TT/599 (acquired at mkt) one-yr deprec costs....
) that converge on LA's Westside on wkends 
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Modrocket_stereo said:
Are we reading the same sentence? I believe you are misinterpreting the sentence. 'The traction control is subtle, if not as clever as the 430 Scuderia's.'
I believe the writer meant the stability management system of the Scud is technically better though both are effective. More importantly, it is clear he preferred the GT3 over the GT2.
Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
No, the writer didn't imply that the Scud stability management was better. It was simply stated that it had more settings. Personally, I see no need for a half-assed stabiliy system. It is either ON, because you can't afford to do anything stupid, or it is OFF. Anything in-between is useless IMO.
Regarding buyer type, I seriously doubt that. Both the Scuderia and the GT2 will be bought by pretty much all types of customers.
I stated both were equally effective. 
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Modrocket_stereo said:
Are we reading the same sentence? I believe you are misinterpreting the sentence. 'The traction control is subtle, if not as clever as the 430 Scuderia's.'
I believe the writer meant the stability management system of the Scud is technically better though both are effective. More importantly, it is clear he preferred the GT3 over the GT2.
Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
No, the writer didn't imply that the Scud stability management was better. It was simply stated that it had more settings. Personally, I see no need for a half-assed stabiliy system. It is either ON, because you can't afford to do anything stupid, or it is OFF. Anything in-between is useless IMO.
Regarding buyer type, I seriously doubt that. Both the Scuderia and the GT2 will be bought by pretty much all types of customers.
If a a stability system has more settings, is it not technically better?
If this car attracted all type of buyers, Porsche would produce a hell of a lot more. They know it is a very narrow market segment.
To those who can't get an allocation, thank your lucky stars. The Gt2 depreciation will be huge. Within a year you probably can pick one up for 20-25% less. Porsche's at this price point do not hold their value especially since they all look alike.
MBH, I am sure you have some valuable insights but honestly I cannot read your posts. The abbreviations and nomenclature come at the reader in staccato fashion rendering the message, at least to me, incomprehensible.
), and at least when it comes to critiquing Porsche's nowadays, he displays a line of reasoning that seems incomprehensible (sorry VKSF/WBH 
). To compare a GT2 to anything MB puts on the road (and that includes his beloved SL65AMG barge or the new CL63) is pointless.
Sep 30, 2007 3:49:21 AM
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997CarreraS said:
US allocation is 175 GT2's a reduction down from the 220 originally promised. I have a 10K deposit down and can't seem to get one yet. All spoken for so my hope is someone will find that they can't stomach the 200k when it actually comes to paying the cold hard cash.
Sep 30, 2007 5:09:23 AM
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997CarreraS said:
US allocation is 175 GT2's a reduction down from the 220 originally promised. I have a 10K deposit down and can't seem to get one yet. All spoken for so my hope is someone will find that they can't stomach the 200k when it actually comes to paying the cold hard cash.
Even you can't get one? Thought you had put yourself on the list a long time ago.
Maybe you could talk Mr. Gates into cancelling his and you will have yours
Sep 30, 2007 5:12:12 AM
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997CarreraS said:
US allocation is 175 GT2's a reduction down from the 220 originally promised. I have a 10K deposit down and can't seem to get one yet. All spoken for so my hope is someone will find that they can't stomach the 200k when it actually comes to paying the cold hard cash.
Even you can't get one? Thought you had put yourself on the list a long time ago.
Maybe you could talk Mr. Gates into cancelling his and you will have yours
I paused slightly and ended up second on the list. Dont think Bill is first.
Sep 30, 2007 7:32:28 AM
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Modrocket_stereo said:
Are we reading the same sentence? I believe you are misinterpreting the sentence. 'The traction control is subtle, if not as clever as the 430 Scuderia's.'
I believe the writer meant the stability management system of the Scud is technically better though both are effective. More importantly, it is clear he preferred the GT3 over the GT2.
Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
No, the writer didn't imply that the Scud stability management was better. It was simply stated that it had more settings. Personally, I see no need for a half-assed stabiliy system. It is either ON, because you can't afford to do anything stupid, or it is OFF. Anything in-between is useless IMO.
I have a slightly different view: on the track it might increase fun (while still maintaining a safety net) to have PSM work in a less rigid mode. In contrast, on a wet road PSM should step in much earlier than it would in race mode. Thus, more PSM settings could be quite useful, if one uses a car on regular roads and on the track
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nberry said:Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
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nberry said:Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
In my neck of the woods, those people tend to have 996/997 GT3/RS's, BMW CSL's, Lotus Elise/Exige or Radicals.
GT2's are a rare sight and never the fastest car on track. My 996RS had no problem showing GT2's a clean pair of heels, even modded ones on power circuits like Spa.
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SciFrog said:
P playing F game, not good for the costumer. Another car I won't get...
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nberry said:Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
In my neck of the woods, those people tend to have 996/997 GT3/RS's, BMW CSL's, Lotus Elise/Exige or Radicals.
GT2's are a rare sight and never the fastest car on track. My 996RS had no problem showing GT2's a clean pair of heels, even modded ones on power circuits like Spa.
Nick, believe it or not, GT3 is a better track car than GT2. Application of power with the turbo engine is a major reason for this.
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nberry said:Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
GT2's are a rare sight and never the fastest car on track. My 996RS had no problem showing GT2's a clean pair of heels, even modded ones on power circuits like Spa.
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Modrocket_stereo said:
Are we reading the same sentence? I believe you are misinterpreting the sentence. 'The traction control is subtle, if not as clever as the 430 Scuderia's.'
I believe the writer meant the stability management system of the Scud is technically better though both are effective. More importantly, it is clear he preferred the GT3 over the GT2.
Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
No, the writer didn't imply that the Scud stability management was better. It was simply stated that it had more settings. Personally, I see no need for a half-assed stabiliy system. It is either ON, because you can't afford to do anything stupid, or it is OFF. Anything in-between is useless IMO.
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nberry said:Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
In my neck of the woods, those people tend to have 996/997 GT3/RS's, BMW CSL's, Lotus Elise/Exige or Radicals.
GT2's are a rare sight and never the fastest car on track. My 996RS had no problem showing GT2's a clean pair of heels, even modded ones on power circuits like Spa.
Nick, believe it or not, GT3 is a better track car than GT2. Application of power with the turbo engine is a major reason for this.
Remarkably, this seems to be common view even among those who have already driven the new GT2. For example, a Porsche test driver asked (by me) which car he would opt for if he could have a GT3 or a GT2 for free had to think for a few seconds and then said: well, thinking of the list price I would probably have to opt for the GT2... Now, what does that tell us...
However, personally, I would not even think about buying a GT3 instead of a GT2. The GT2 seems to be a very good car. A bit boring maybe, but very good. However, let's wait for the Supertest
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SciFrog said:
doesn't look like they will struggle to sell the gt2 as the allocation is less than one per dealer in the us and dealers are asking 50k over... Friend of mine cannot find one at msrp. P playing F game, not good for the costumer. Another car I won't get... Maybe they are trying to reduce us allocations as the usd is getting pounded...
Not really....realize that P dealers have a much more shallow base of deep-pocketed repeat buyers than do F dealers in major mkts (many colleagues in their 30s in NYC/SF have never owned a P; only grew up w/AMG commuter cars and F wkend cars)....have been offered early [Email]GT2@MSRP[/Email] by two different CA dealers (and passed)....again, consider how low GT2 vols are: prob 200ish in yr 1 into US; then, 50ish in yr 2; and prob 10ish in yr3....
The guy who buys GT2 at MSRP (or whatever similarly absurd price) today can expect to receive some $100K upon trade-in in 12mos, no matter mileage....used GT2 buyer is a rather socio-economically "different" buyer than early new GT2 buyers...
Most repeat F buyers in SF/Greenwich get their Scuds at MSRP...and trade it in for MSRP in 6-12mos....the frugal man's sportscar
Point is: these are microscopic niche mkts...which dramatically shrink when most (image-conscious, yet cost-conscious) buyers need to consider prospect of a fast-depreciating car w/limited daily-useability....and esp if lim cachet at spots in front of power restaurants in BevHills/SF/Greenwich...where new 599/65/CL63 dominate (hard to easily differentiate a Scud/GT2 from the thousands of used, elderly P/F from gruesome parts of inland LA (or coastal/inland OC
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Turbo Al said:
...I have no difficulty at all reading VKSF/WBH's posts (I think JimFlat6 likened it to reading Her Majesty's telegram's
Sep 30, 2007 3:44:55 PM
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SciFrog said:
doesn't look like they will struggle to sell the gt2 as the allocation is less than one per dealer in the us and dealers are asking 50k over... Friend of mine cannot find one at msrp. P playing F game, not good for the costumer. Another car I won't get... Maybe they are trying to reduce us allocations as the usd is getting pounded...
US allocation is 175 GT2's a reduction down from the 220 originally promised. I have a 10K deposit down and can't seem to get one yet. All spoken for so my hope is someone will find that they can't stomach the 200k when it actually comes to paying the cold hard cash.
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nberry said:Only very hard core track people have a reason to buy the GT2.
In my neck of the woods, those people tend to have 996/997 GT3/RS's, BMW CSL's, Lotus Elise/Exige or Radicals.
GT2's are a rare sight and never the fastest car on track. My 996RS had no problem showing GT2's a clean pair of heels, even modded ones on power circuits like Spa.
Nick, believe it or not, GT3 is a better track car than GT2. Application of power with the turbo engine is a major reason for this.
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