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    Sep 9, 2007 10:45:19 PM

    Heist
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    Re: considering a 430

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    Heist said:
    No worries. I can read between the lines on this. I know exactly what he was driving at

    Every part of the country has its own "way." He must have done business in or lived in D.C. because he knows, NoVA and D.C. is pretty much the braintrust, "Look how many degrees I have and what prestigious school I went to", I scored blah blah on my MENSA test, I'm smarter than you ha-ha you dolt, capital of the U.S.
    To call someone "intellectually challenge" around here or that they would be more comfortable outside the Beltway is a supreme insult.

    Sort of like when I was living in overly appearence conscious LA or Miami, god help me if I said "you got a bad breast job or your botox job sucks", I'm sure the person would probably want to throw down (or run and go grab a Xanax for the resulting aniexty attack)

    Depreciation is expected ... Like I said, it was that intial bill that made them gasp.




    Very informative post about the different mentalities between the different parts of the US.



    Oh, yes, that's what makes the USA so unique. Every region and city has its very own distinct character, people, way, societal norms ... etc.

    You'd probably feel very comfortable in D.C. since it's modeled after a European city and its about as close as you'd come to feeling as if you're in Europe in America.

    Sep 9, 2007 11:09:07 PM

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    Re: considering a 430

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    Dr. Phil said: I've heard some alarming stories about Ferrari service costs, most involving Testarossas and other older models.
    I was under the impression that newer Ferraris were a lot more "economical" to run?

    I understand that a 500 BHP car eats its way thru clutches and brakes faster than a 250 BHP car will, but one would think that the manufacturer had built the materials to fit the car and strain it will endure - after all, isnt that why you pay $$$$ for a Ferrari, I mean, that it's built from good materials by experts?




    You pay for exotic materials and engineering in a Ferrari no doubt, but typically the materials and the type of "on the envelope" engineering then backed off enough to make a reliable vehicle - that is done to make Ferrari's fast, also the drawback of not lasting as long or being able to stand the test of time.

    When it comes to cars (or a number of other things for that matter), always remember this tenant:

    You can have a fast, cheap car - but it won't be reliable.
    You can have a cheap, reliable car - but it won't be fast.
    You can have a reliable, fast car - but it won't be cheap.


    Not to mention, I've worked in Product Development in my past ... I can say with 100% certainty engineers purposely build in some average mean failure time and obselences into various parts and components.

    Not to point the finger at Ferrari though ... All consumer vehicle manufactures do this. Hell, even most all consumer products do this it's just F's parts cost about 3 months of the average Joe's mortgage

    Sep 10, 2007 5:47:09 AM

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    Re: considering a 430

    I think you mean "tenet" not "tenant".

    Sep 10, 2007 9:32:34 PM

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    I think you mean "tenet" not "tenant".



    Yep, sorry. I'm getting my a$$ pinched in this real estate crisis in the U.S. right now. I can't stop thinking about all the bad f*%cking tenants I have

    Sep 10, 2007 11:45:46 PM

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    Re: considering a 430

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    There is considerable false information regarding the supposedly high cost maintenance for Ferrari's. Though I reaily admit the past models were expensive to maintain, the new 360 and better yet the 430 are no more expensive than most high perf sport cars.

    There is a 5000 mile or year maintenance which requires a change of oil and many of the fluids. The cost is about $1100.

    The second maintenance is the three year or 15,000 mile. It is a little more extensive and usually cost around $4000.

    The next maintenance period is the 30,000 mile. I am not sure what is involved but I am told the cost is around $4000.

    The F1 clutch will last about 25,000 miles for intense city driving and over 30,000 miles for a combination of city and highway driving. My 430 has over 10,000 miles and has about 22% clutch wear.

    BTW a F1 clutch replacement is around $4000.



    Holy hell. That's really one expensive car to run!
    Interesting how you, Nick, who spend a lot of time bashing Porsche for charging too much for their cars want to waste your money on this kinda service cost.
    30,000 mile maintenance = 4.000$? Are u kidding me? What does that include? A new engine?

    I've heard some alarming stories about Ferrari service costs, most involving Testarossas and other older models.
    I was under the impression that newer Ferraris were a lot more "economical" to run?

    I understand that a 500 BHP car eats its way thru clutches and brakes faster than a 250 BHP car will, but one would think that the manufacturer had built the materials to fit the car and strain it will endure - after all, isnt that why you pay $$$$ for a Ferrari, I mean, that it's built from good materials by experts?


    Or perhaps they wanna keep people from actually driving - and hence servicing- their Ferrari.
    Most Ferraris just sit in the garage most of their lives anyway.



    Your problem is you are accustomed to service bills for inexpensive cars. Usually there is a relationship between the price of the car and its service cost.

    I have never had a 30,000 mile maintenance on any of my Ferrari's. I quoted $4000 because that was the charge I had heard for a 355 where engine was removed to replace the belts. That is no longer the case for 360/430.

    Very high perf. cars do require more maintenance. For an example, the CGT requires a valve job at around 25,000 miles. There are over 150 color code screws that need to be removed from the under carridge and each screw is required to be put back into the hole it come from. I believe the engine has to be remove to do the valve adjustment but I am not sure. It is very labor intensive and costly.

    It is the price you pay to play in the big leagues.

    Sep 11, 2007 12:30:03 AM

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    Re: considering a 430

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    I have never had a 30,000 mile maintenance on any of my Ferrari's. I quoted $4000 because that was the charge I had heard for a 355 where engine was removed to replace the belts. That is no longer the case for 360/430.

    Very high perf. cars do require more maintenance. For an example, the CGT requires a valve job at around 25,000 miles. There are over 150 color code screws that need to be removed from the under carridge and each screw is required to be put back into the hole it come from. I believe the engine has to be remove to do the valve adjustment but I am not sure. It is very labor intensive and costly.

    It is the price you pay to play in the big leagues.



    Hehehe, I thought you'd argue the other way around this time.
    So, what happened to your battle against bloodsucking carcompanies, who just rip off their clients?

    The CGT is in a different league than the F430. More extreme, more exclusive, more exotic and hence ridiculously expensive.

    The F430 is comparable to the 997TT performance wise, so you should be able to compare the service costs too.
    I'm sure the dealers have a serious overhead on all expensive cars - no mattter the brand - but from what I read, the 997TT will cost quite a lot less to service than the F-numbers you mention.

    Most P's run 20.000 km between inspections - if I understood the posts correctly, modern Ferraris require inspection more frequently - some of them even engine-out servicing.

    Ferraris are beautiful cars, no doubt - however Nick, being the flagcarrier in the fight against overtly profitable carmakers, you might wannna consider getting a Porsche instead. And the best part is; it doesnt have to just sit in the garage and look pretty - you get to drive your car everyday
     
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