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Aug 14, 2007 3:57:49 PM

lambornima: Junior; Loc: Toronto Canada; Posts: 130, Gallery; Registered on: May 13, 2007

Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

credits to Mafalda from SC.net:

"Auto (Italy) 09/2007
Lamborghini Gallardo SL
Tester: Luigi Moccia (2002 Ferrari Challange World Champion)
Lap Time 7'46"29
Top Speed 309.9 Kph
0-100 Kph 3.88s
1/4 Mile 11.9s @ 196.4 Kph
1 Km 21.45s @ 249.9 Kph
Kerb weight 1500 kg"

Thanks
Nima

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Aug 15, 2007 9:25:51 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: lambornima

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

thanks for the data nima, i would be curious to see the 430 scuderia time

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Aug 16, 2007 5:50:50 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Thanks.

for some reason, the more manufacturers push their Nring times, the less relevant I find the ring to be to daily driving, and the more I feel the cars may be compromised for the end user in order to meet those figures.

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Aug 16, 2007 7:08:09 AM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: Moogle

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

moogle, having driven the SL , its very easy to drive and perfectly suited for everyday driving

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Aug 16, 2007 8:36:31 AM

mv: Senior; Loc:; Posts: 519, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 8, 2004; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

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Aug 16, 2007 9:31:37 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: mv

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

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Aug 16, 2007 9:36:32 AM

svtrader1: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 821, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2003; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

It's plausible considering how many improvements went into the it.

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Aug 16, 2007 10:16:02 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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Rossi said:
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mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

The lap was probably driven by the same driver who did 7:32 in the GT2

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Aug 16, 2007 10:18:01 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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MKSGR said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
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mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

The lap was probably driven by the same driver who did 7:32 in the GT2

Alright, that would make some explanation.

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Aug 16, 2007 11:08:13 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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Rossi said:
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MKSGR said:
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Rossi said:
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mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

The lap was probably driven by the same driver who did 7:32 in the GT2

Alright, that would make some explanation.

Walter?
NO, NO! It Scuderia was Michael Schumacher!

Since he is a better driver then Walter that means that good old Horst will make 7.45min in Scuderia and 7.40min in GT2...

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Aug 16, 2007 11:32:40 AM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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KresoF1 said:
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Rossi said:
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MKSGR said:
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Rossi said:
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mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

The lap was probably driven by the same driver who did 7:32 in the GT2

Alright, that would make some explanation.

Walter?
NO, NO! It Scuderia was Michael Schumacher! Since he is a better driver then Walter that means that good old Horst will make 7.45min in Scuderia and 7.40min in GT2...

Horst and 7.45 in a Ferrari?

Never ever!

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Aug 16, 2007 1:16:17 PM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

I would honestly love to see Schumacher do some serious laps at the ring with the Scuderia. Wouldn't surprise me if this rumour is true, seeing that the car will be launch by none other than MS himself.

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Aug 16, 2007 1:25:20 PM

mv: Senior; Loc:; Posts: 519, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 8, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

Lets not compare Sport Auto times and internal tests with MS at the wheel.

599 - 7:36 vs 7:47 by SA
F430 Scuderia : 7:35 vs ???

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Aug 16, 2007 1:28:47 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: mv

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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mv said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

Lets not compare Sport Auto times and internal tests with MS at the wheel.

599 - 7:36 vs 7:47 by SA
F430 Scuderia : 7:35 vs ???

I never knew MS does the official testing for Ferrari.

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Aug 16, 2007 1:36:10 PM

mv: Senior; Loc:; Posts: 519, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 8, 2004; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Well, I am not really sure about the F430 Scuderia, but he did test a 599 on the ring, there was even a photo.

And is it really official ? Rather internal.

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Aug 16, 2007 1:57:17 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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Rossi said:
Quote:
mv said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
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mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

Lets not compare Sport Auto times and internal tests with MS at the wheel.

599 - 7:36 vs 7:47 by SA
F430 Scuderia : 7:35 vs ???

I never knew MS does the official testing for Ferrari.

If he did they would have to charge much more for their cars to cover the costs

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Aug 16, 2007 3:14:23 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12681, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Quote:
MKSGR said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
mv said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
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mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

Lets not compare Sport Auto times and internal tests with MS at the wheel.

599 - 7:36 vs 7:47 by SA
F430 Scuderia : 7:35 vs ???

I never knew MS does the official testing for Ferrari.

If he did they would have to charge much more for their cars to cover the costs

Well, don't they already do that?

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Aug 16, 2007 4:18:55 PM

WBH: Expert; Loc: CA; Posts: 1963, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2004; Reply to: dhayek

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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dhayek said:
moogle, having driven the SL , its very easy to drive and perfectly suited for everyday driving

Perhaps dpds upon where one lives/how car used for daily driving...

Recently drove G SL....and though improved vs then-new G I had (and drove some 3K mis) some ?3-4yrs ago....found G SL utterly useless for daily use in SF region....major ground clearance issues on steep hills/inclines; weak mid-range tq; sloppy egear; poor brake pedal feel; lackluster stability (even at <100MPH) on bumpy, hilly, dense-traffic fwys; poor visibility for rapid lane changes in traffic/on steep hills.....

Suspect anyone who has used 599 as a daily commuter and wkend car will scoff at many alleged sportscars' claims of daily-useability....and relevance of pseudo-quantitative/pseudo-precise/manipulated (non-street tires, etc etc) NBR times vs actual, qualitative, subjective perf/precision/safety in hands of an amateur owner/driver on urban/suburban public roads where these cars are typically used....

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Aug 16, 2007 9:58:04 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: WBH

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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WBH said:
Quote:
dhayek said:
moogle, having driven the SL , its very easy to drive and perfectly suited for everyday driving

Perhaps dpds upon where one lives/how car used for daily driving...

Recently drove G SL....and though improved vs then-new G I had (and drove some 3K mis) some ?3-4yrs ago....found G SL utterly useless for daily use in SF region....major ground clearance issues on steep hills/inclines; weak mid-range tq; sloppy egear; poor brake pedal feel; lackluster stability (even at <100MPH) on bumpy, hilly, dense-traffic fwys; poor visibility for rapid lane changes in traffic/on steep hills.....

Suspect anyone who has used 599 as a daily commuter and wkend car will scoff at many alleged sportscars' claims of daily-useability....and relevance of pseudo-quantitative/pseudo-precise/manipulated (non-street tires, etc etc) NBR times vs actual, qualitative, subjective perf/precision/safety in hands of an amateur owner/driver on urban/suburban public roads where these cars are typically used....

You are confusing momentum and stability. Just because the car doesn't travel like an Exxon tanker in the straight line doesn't mean it is unstable. The Mercedes cars you love to promote so much are simply heavy, meaning hard to upset. That by itself doesn't constitute stability, but simply momentum. I am willing to bet that you can take the G SL and a CL63 and start zig-zagging hard at 100 mph - and see the illusion of stability of the AMG shatter in very short order. By the way, are you serious about the car being unstable at even under 100 mph? My rental Ford Focus diesel had enough stability at 120 mph when trotting around Belgium last month, so I find your findings highly irregular.

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Aug 18, 2007 9:25:53 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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KresoF1 said:
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Rossi said:
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MKSGR said:
Quote:
Rossi said:
Quote:
mv said:
Ferrari F430 Scuderia allegedly did the ring in 7:35 in a factory test.

20 seconds better than the stock F430 with sport tyres which was tested by Sportauto?

Can't really believe that.

The lap was probably driven by the same driver who did 7:32 in the GT2

Alright, that would make some explanation.

Walter?
NO, NO! It Scuderia was Michael Schumacher! Since he is a better driver then Walter ......

You are talking about the one driver whose skill at the wheel Ayrton Senna admired!

And I don't mean MS!

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Aug 18, 2007 9:33:36 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: lambornima

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Quote:
lambornima said:
credits to Mafalda from SC.net:

"Auto (Italy) 09/2007
Lamborghini Gallardo SL
Tester: Luigi Moccia (2002 Ferrari Challange World Champion)
Lap Time 7'46"29
Top Speed 309.9 Kph
0-100 Kph 3.88s
1/4 Mile 11.9s @ 196.4 Kph
1 Km 21.45s @ 249.9 Kph
Kerb weight 1500 kg"

Thanks
Nima

So what's included in the "kerb weight" of 1500 kg to make up the difference to Lamborghini's claimed "dry weight" for the "Superleggera" of 1330 kg?

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Aug 18, 2007 9:38:45 PM

dhayek: Rennteam Master; Loc: Beirut , Lebanon; Posts: 3839, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 7, 2004; Reply to: WBH

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Quote:
WBH said:
Quote:
dhayek said:
moogle, having driven the SL , its very easy to drive and perfectly suited for everyday driving

Perhaps dpds upon where one lives/how car used for daily driving...

Recently drove G SL....and though improved vs then-new G I had (and drove some 3K mis) some ?3-4yrs ago....found G SL utterly useless for daily use in SF region....major ground clearance issues on steep hills/inclines; weak mid-range tq; sloppy egear; poor brake pedal feel; lackluster stability (even at <100MPH) on bumpy, hilly, dense-traffic fwys; poor visibility for rapid lane changes in traffic/on steep hills.....

Suspect anyone who has used 599 as a daily commuter and wkend car will scoff at many alleged sportscars' claims of daily-useability....and relevance of pseudo-quantitative/pseudo-precise/manipulated (non-street tires, etc etc) NBR times vs actual, qualitative, subjective perf/precision/safety in hands of an amateur owner/driver on urban/suburban public roads where these cars are typically used....

gallardo unstable at less than 100mph? are you serious ? i own a gallardo , and i have never experienced a more stable car, eSpecially after 250kph

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Aug 18, 2007 10:09:31 PM

lambornima: Junior; Loc: Toronto Canada; Posts: 130, Gallery; Registered on: May 13, 2007; Reply to: fritz

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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fritz said:
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lambornima said:
credits to Mafalda from SC.net:

"Auto (Italy) 09/2007
Lamborghini Gallardo SL
Tester: Luigi Moccia (2002 Ferrari Challange World Champion)
Lap Time 7'46"29
Top Speed 309.9 Kph
0-100 Kph 3.88s
1/4 Mile 11.9s @ 196.4 Kph
1 Km 21.45s @ 249.9 Kph
Kerb weight 1500 kg"

Thanks
Nima

So what's included in the "kerb weight" of 1500 kg to make up the difference to Lamborghini's claimed "dry weight" for the "Superleggera" of 1330 kg?

im sure its fuel, oils and battery.

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Aug 18, 2007 10:11:04 PM

lambornima: Junior; Loc: Toronto Canada; Posts: 130, Gallery; Registered on: May 13, 2007; Reply to: lambornima

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

BTW guys, scans are here:

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=136632

first few on first page and few more on 4th page.

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Aug 18, 2007 10:25:51 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: lambornima

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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lambornima said:
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fritz said:
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lambornima said:
credits to Mafalda from SC.net:

"Auto (Italy) 09/2007
Lamborghini Gallardo SL
Tester: Luigi Moccia (2002 Ferrari Challange World Champion)
Lap Time 7'46"29
Top Speed 309.9 Kph
0-100 Kph 3.88s
1/4 Mile 11.9s @ 196.4 Kph
1 Km 21.45s @ 249.9 Kph
Kerb weight 1500 kg"

Thanks
Nima

So what's included in the "kerb weight" of 1500 kg to make up the difference to Lamborghini's claimed "dry weight" for the "Superleggera" of 1330 kg?

im sure its fuel, oils and battery.

Allowing for 90 liters of fuel and (say) 15 liters of oil, all at roughly 0.8 kg/liter, that's one hell of a battery.

Not to mention that they'd need a lot of nerve to quote the car's weight without a battery.

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Aug 18, 2007 10:40:39 PM

lambornima: Junior; Loc: Toronto Canada; Posts: 130, Gallery; Registered on: May 13, 2007; Reply to: fritz

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

lambocars.com states 90 litres of fuel, 10 litres of engine or and 20 litres for the cooling system. im sure there is more fluids in the car than just that

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Aug 19, 2007 3:51:33 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: lambornima

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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lambornima said:
lambocars.com states 90 litres of fuel, 10 litres of engine or and 20 litres for the cooling system. im sure there is more fluids in the car than just that

A few ounces of Starbucks fluids if nberry decides to buy it

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Aug 19, 2007 9:07:00 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006; Reply to: Moogle

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

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Moogle said:
Thanks.

for some reason, the more manufacturers push their Nring times, the less relevant I find the ring to be to daily driving, and the more I feel the cars may be compromised for the end user in order to meet those figures.

The Nordschleife is similar to a fast one-way mountain road with mixed surfaces and bumps. The Ring times are a relevant measure of real world prowess.

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Aug 19, 2007 11:16:17 PM

lambornima: Junior; Loc: Toronto Canada; Posts: 130, Gallery; Registered on: May 13, 2007; Reply to: AUM

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Quote:
AUM said:
Quote:
Moogle said:
Thanks.

for some reason, the more manufacturers push their Nring times, the less relevant I find the ring to be to daily driving, and the more I feel the cars may be compromised for the end user in order to meet those figures.

The Nordschleife is similar to a fast one-way mountain road with mixed surfaces and bumps. The Ring times are a relevant measure of real world prowess.

yes, but two issues.

1. the ring times are only valid if the car provided to the mag is COMPLETELY stock.

2. who is gonna go around and boast about ring times? 7:43 for the Z06? Id like to meet a Z06 owner that can actually pull that off. most owners (if any) wont be getting sub 8 minutes.

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Aug 24, 2007 8:50:26 PM

AUM: Veteran; Loc: Germany; Posts: 1203, Gallery; Registered on: May 2, 2006; Reply to: lambornima

Re: Gallarod SL does 7:46 on Nring

Quote:
lambornima said:
Quote:
AUM said:
Quote:
Moogle said:
Thanks.

for some reason, the more manufacturers push their Nring times, the less relevant I find the ring to be to daily driving, and the more I feel the cars may be compromised for the end user in order to meet those figures.

The Nordschleife is similar to a fast one-way mountain road with mixed surfaces and bumps. The Ring times are a relevant measure of real world prowess.

yes, but two issues.

1. the ring times are only valid if the car provided to the mag is COMPLETELY stock.

2. who is gonna go around and boast about ring times? 7:43 for the Z06? Id like to meet a Z06 owner that can actually pull that off. most owners (if any) wont be getting sub 8 minutes.

1. The benchmark Sport Auto times are for stock cars (manufacturer claims are dubious).

2. The driving skill of owners is irrelevant in car comparisons.

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