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    Jul 19, 2007 9:48:49 PM

    Grant
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    Re: You can't

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    Or perhaps for the 998 they will concentrate on weight-saving more than power increase



    That will be the way to go in the future!
    Power war must come to an end, give us light and still powerful cars!


    Making the cars light will make them more fun to drive and more fuel efficient. Only safety becomes difficult, unless all cars become smaller...

    Jul 19, 2007 10:20:48 PM

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    Re: You can't

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    Rossi said:
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    Alex (UK) said:
    Or perhaps for the 998 they will concentrate on weight-saving more than power increase



    That will be the way to go in the future!
    Power war must come to an end, give us light and still powerful cars!


    Making the cars light will make them more fun to drive and more fuel efficient. Only safety becomes difficult, unless all cars become smaller...



    I doubt car manufacturers will make cars smaller. Unfortunately.
    IMO many cars are already too big.

    But we can only hope for more light cars, especially when we are talking about sports cars. That makes models like the GT2/3, Superleggera or the new Scuderia so interesting.

    Jul 20, 2007 8:27:19 AM

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    Re: You can't

    This thread has now reached 43 pages of repetition! LMAO

    Loops every 3 months about the new facelift coming the following week for sure (somebody knows somebody who knows for a fact), DFI with its increase of 100BHP+, DKG and various other mystical enhancements. None of which materialise as expected and then the game moves on. Queue repeat of debate and new definate timescale set which of course wont happen.

    Jul 20, 2007 8:53:18 AM

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    Re: You can't

    Ferrari has declared it is going greener (Ho ho) through weight saving and its recent concept showed this with shorter front overhangs and so on through use of composite instead of Aluminium.

    A 998 with shorter overhangs and more of the size of the 964/993 a weight nearer 1100kg and even the current power would be the way I would like to see them go especially if they can do some more work on the floor to avoid big spoilers and DI/new materials gives some more efficient use of fuel.

    If they did that, with smaller wheels brakes lighter materials like magnesium alloy, composites and alloy with a core still in steel for price - then for me they can regain the ground they have lost against the latest uber-saloons and take the game back to Ferrari et al. The facelift won't do that but the 998 should.

    Mind you I still like the current car

    Jul 20, 2007 5:33:51 PM

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    Re: You can't

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    A 998 with shorter overhangs and more of the size of the 964/993 a weight nearer 1100kg and even the current power would be the way I would like to see them go especially if they can do some more work on the floor to avoid big spoilers and DI/new materials gives some more efficient use of fuel.

    If they did that, with smaller wheels brakes lighter materials like magnesium alloy, composites and alloy with a core still in steel for price - then for me they can regain the ground they have lost against the latest uber-saloons and take the game back to Ferrari et al. The facelift won't do that but the 998 should.

    Mind you I still like the current car



    Yes, that would be great. I'm totally with you! Go and tell it to the major Porsche-Member.

    Greetings

    Jul 21, 2007 10:58:30 AM

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    Re: You can't

    Greetings from Germany too.

    Jul 22, 2007 10:50:17 AM

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    Re: You can't

    Everytime I see rear tail lights, they remember me to Aston Martin...
    I can't understand why they do a restyling so early. I heat restylings. All of we know that the market needs changing.
    But Porsche is a different brand to Ford or Vauxhall (they change their models every two years at least)

    Think in those who purchased their cars (i.e. Targa model) and it will be changed very soon.

    Why don't develop the car a bit slowly to launch the model without restyling?

    Jul 24, 2007 1:10:08 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    Hope they're not repost.



    Oh no, the mirrors....

    Jul 24, 2007 1:33:18 PM

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    Re: You can't

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    This thread has now reached 43 pages of repetition! LMAO





    I bet, when the 997 facelift loop-thread will come to an end, it will start all over again with the 991

    Jul 24, 2007 1:59:53 PM

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    Re: You can't

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    This thread has now reached 43 pages of repetition! LMAO





    I bet, when the 997 facelift loop-thread will come to an end, it will start all over again with the 991



    That's sure!!!

    We are the real "Porsche Times"!

    You want to know more about Porsche and about the future-cars of Porsche? Then join us!

    Greetings

    Jul 25, 2007 11:18:39 AM

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    Re: You can't

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    Why don't develop the car a bit slowly to launch the model without restyling?



    That's what Porsche - and a couple of other German manufacturers - were known for. Marketing and the urge for bigger sales numbers play a role nowadays...

    Jul 27, 2007 7:07:38 AM

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    Wop There it is (sorta)

    Dated 25 July 2007

    http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/porsche/porsche-considers-hybrid-911/

    Porsche first hint of the face-lift: The Engine!!

    Jul 27, 2007 7:03:44 PM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

    Autocar report PDK for 2008. I've had another OPC confirm April 2008 delivery for facelift FWIW.

    Jul 28, 2007 6:50:34 AM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

    Someone tells there are some pics of the new interior 998 with the new PDK !!!

    Can't wait to see it!!

    So i'm sure too that the PDK is for March 2008!!

    Jul 28, 2007 7:18:40 AM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

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    Someone tells there are some pics of the new interior 998 with the new PDK !!!

    Can't wait to see it!!

    So i'm sure too that the PDK is for March 2008!!


    did you mean facelift 997 ?

    Jul 28, 2007 4:07:57 PM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

    I wonder what it'll cost - might be a gamble having one of the first in terms of reliability.

    Jul 30, 2007 12:09:14 AM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

    Berfes, do you have the pics of the interior?
    Where did you read or see it?
    Please post the link!

    Aug 1, 2007 7:21:17 AM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

    Sorry but unfortunatelly I can't find the interior pics of new 997 facelift.. But there are in internet somewhere....


    And we could see also the puddle of the new PDK!!
    If someone have it please post...

    Aug 1, 2007 9:28:29 AM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

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    Sorry but unfortunatelly I can't find the interior pics of new 997 facelift.. But there are in internet somewhere....


    And we could see also the puddle of the new PDK!!
    If someone have it please post...



    yeah ! yeah !!

    Aug 1, 2007 2:23:37 PM

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    Re: Wop There it is (sorta)

    If I had those pics or other new pics of the facelift 997 then I would post them here immediately.

    Really I would do so!

    I appreciate every support in that way also.

    Greetings

    Aug 3, 2007 10:12:33 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    Great pics! I guess its worth waiting for this facelifted 997! Thanks, Lars!

    Aug 10, 2007 3:13:50 AM

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    Re: You can't

    hhahahahaha

    bull's eye!

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    Quote:
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    This thread has now reached 43 pages of repetition! LMAO





    I bet, when the 997 facelift loop-thread will come to an end, it will start all over again with the 991

    Aug 10, 2007 9:22:14 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    Hello everybody!

    Here we go with 5 new and exclusive "rennteam"-pics I saw in the german Porsche-thread.

    With best and friendly regards of our rennteam-member AND upcoming "mule-photo-hunter" Healey During a little "car-chase" in Stuttgart, he was able to take 5 pretty nice shots of the upcoming 997 Targa 4S MkII. Well done, Healey and thanks for the pics... keep going on.

    Greetings from the "posting-assistent" of Healey

    Aug 10, 2007 9:22:43 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    and the next one...

    Aug 10, 2007 9:23:18 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    and one more pic for you...

    Aug 10, 2007 9:24:21 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    ...what can I say instead of "again" and "one more pic"?... Enjoy them! This one is a really special shot... a "mirror-shot".

    Aug 10, 2007 9:25:45 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    ... and the last one for today! Thank you, Healey... we're awaiting more facelift-pics from you.

    Greetings

    Aug 10, 2007 12:34:38 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    Thank you Phoenix_911

    Aug 10, 2007 2:22:43 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    I am waiting for my 2008 which is being built as we speak. Will it have the new facelift?

    Aug 10, 2007 2:29:15 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures from Facelift 997!!!!

    Thank you both for the shots .
     
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