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cnc said:
I think you may be mis-reading the situation.
I picked up my GT3 yesterday in the Bay Area, and I think the Dealer would have given me money not to take it. There's a strong demand for the car.
It is only the "stupidily" optioned cars that sit, because they represent poor value.
We all read about poor GT2 values, test it and try to buy one to see what the dealers will really let it got for. Their values are getting stronger. Often the reality is very different from the myth perpetuated on these boards.
A year ago the dealers let the GT2 go because they didn't know what the floor on the car was going to be. Now they know, and thus they're holding out for the price. There is one at Newport and they won't deal even though any number (too many people, including me ) have tried to buy it a a bargain basement price. The respect and desire for this car is growing mightily. In the interests of full disclosure, I own one so consider the potential bias.
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Like I said the myths are perpetuated as realities!
Do you ever notice how it's always somebody who knows somebody who bought one (3rd party, never the 1st party).
Let's see some real statistics on what is being paid by customers for these cars.
The GT2 is not nearly as soft as it was 12 months ago. E.G. An 03 could be had for dealer invoice, and for the properly equipped 04 today the dealer will barely move of invoice despite all the protestations of the wannabe buyers (including me ) who tell him he should know better. Guess who's seeing all the potential demand and activity..the dealer.
I guess it's true in the car business that there's an ass for for every seat..and funny how that brought to mind the "loud' and inane Ferrari comment.
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nberry said:
BTW, the car had euro pipes on it and I must admit it almost sounded as good as my Ferrari.
Yeh Nick, and the GT2 also performs almost as well as your Ferrari.
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I think I know the Porsche market pretty well. I know nothing about the Ferrari market other than I've always considered I could never afford one, not in "absolute dollars" but in "value dollars". The after sale costs always seemed out of whack, they were catering to egos as opposed to drivers... and the local dealer was caught trying to sell a stolen one. I guess I just subscribe to good Germanic values, I leave the Ferraris to to other asses..mine belongs in a Porsche, since I subscribe to the value proposition, reasonable cost and every day reliability.
Mais,,a chaque son gout.
I hope this is a Porsche forum, not somewhere that certain types of Ferrari owners have to come to justify their purchases and assuage their egos. At the prices they pay Ferrari should provide an exclusive outlet.
Jun 15, 2004 3:30:01 PM
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Captain Bady said:
Guys, don't buy GT3s!!!!!!! Its better for current owners! We don't want to see them too much around!
Jun 15, 2004 6:09:24 PM
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Captain Bady said:
Guys, don't buy GT3s!!!!!!! Its better for current owners! We don't want to see them too much around!
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cnc said:
Like I said the myths are perpetuated as realities!
Do you ever notice how it's always somebody who knows somebody who bought one (3rd party, never the 1st party).
I guess it's true in the car business that there's an ass for for every seat...
Jun 15, 2004 9:32:34 PM
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Captain Bady said:
Guys, don't buy GT3s!!!!!!! Its better for current owners! We don't want to see them too much around!
What would be the problem if every single car sold in the world was a GT3 and you saw them coming and going every single day? You'd still be driving a phenomenal car. What else matters?
Stephen
Jun 15, 2004 11:45:48 PM
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Captain Bady said:
Matters when I want to change it with another sports car....!
I like spending but don't like throwing away money!
Jun 16, 2004 8:33:02 AM
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FixedWing said:
Your loss but my gain. Presumably, with production of GT3's in Model T Ford quantities, the car will be a hell of a lot cheaper than it is now. Imagine a GT3 readily available from every dealer for only US$20K ... heaven!
I'd even agree if it was available in any colour you wanted so long as it was black.
Stephen
Jun 16, 2004 9:24:40 AM
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I can't answer you for the rest because your point doesn't correspond to reality !
May be if we all had GT3s , its performance will be normal, so we need something better...
Jun 16, 2004 2:37:40 PM
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is performance measured in absolute terms or relatively?