Re: GT3 or Turbo?
For road use only the GT3/GT3RS is just too stiff except for those marcho type, it's tuned for mirror smooth track surfaces.
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eclou said:
I've got both, 1k miles on the GT3 and 6k miles on the TT. The TT is tuned now (~550hp).
+GT3:
1)steering feel more precise
2)less float on rear end - very, very stable
3)clutch much heavier and more feel on take-up
4)aesthetics better to my eye
-GT3:
1)much less power, needs to be over 5500rpm to get stirred
2)less ground clearance
3)stiffer suspension means more jarring ride on streets
+TT:
1)much easier to drive in traffic
2)huge power advantage. Makes the GT3 feel really slow
3)back seats for kids/small guests
4)more sound insulation
-TT:
1)more floaty in corners
2)weight penalty
3)less viscerally engaging when stock
Both great cars. I prefer the TT without question. The performance and usability envelope of the TT is much broader, as are the potential to upgrade to supercar levels. The GT3 is at its peak and cannot go any higher.
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eclou said:
The way I look at it as a current owner of both, the GT3 is optimal for the 4-6 track weekends I get per year, but what about the other 353-357 days? At this price point, I am realizing it is silly to buy a car oriented mainly to the 1-2% of hard core closed circuit driving I may experience in the year. I have a track car that weighs 500lbs less and has 95% of the hp and 130% of the torque of my GT3. It cost me $15k all-in and if I crunch it I won't lose any sleep.
If you are lucky enough to be spending 10% or more of your driving on the track/canyon roads, you'd be far better off in a cup car or some other stripped and prepped track vehicle. On Rennlist I hear many such GT3/RS owners obsessing over alignments, sunroofs, racing pads, weak factory bolt-in cages, and euro GT3 shells - then balking at using track-only tires because they don't want to tow, don't want to buy another set of wheels, and the DOT-R's don't last as long. Hard core, but not really eh?
Your posts regarding the TT continually resonate on weight. It is a relatively heavy sportscar - no secret, and you still bought one nonetheless. There are well documented procedures for weight loss on the 996TT's which hold true for the 997TT as well that can relieve some of the pork:
Battery 15-35 lbs
Seats 35-70 lbs depending on the seat type
Non electric wing ~ 30 lbs
Wheels and tires - 30-40lbs
Remove rear seats and sub woofer ~ 12 lbs
Floor mats and carpet sound deadening 30 lbs
Bumper supports 20lbs front 20 lbs rear
Exhaust 30 lbs
bonnet/trunk plastic trim 5 lbs
CD changer and DVD nav transport - 15 lbs
The key is that under most driving situations with equal drivers - stoplight to stoplight or highway blasts, wet or dry, day or night, hot or cold, the "pig heavy" TT (especially with a $3k software tune) will still embarrass the GT3. Under those rare perfect sunny track/track-like situations, the GT3 may edge out a TT but even then it will be very close. I love my GT3, but I cannot lie - my TT makes it feel like a slug, and a $50k Cayman has perhaps even better tactile responsiveness.
Jul 29, 2007 3:37:50 AM
Jul 29, 2007 11:24:15 AM
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watt said:
and tossability, repsonsiveness and light weight are just meaningless, because where you live there's no traffic and you pound your TT to redline 1000 times a day?
HP, pure power is meaningless in the modern world. as for spending big $ to lighten a car Porsche should have lightened for me, no thanks.
and living in the canyons, and driving them to and from daily, i vastly prefer a strad, then a 3, before a TT whose heaviness is evident in every downhill or off camber braking moment..
to each his own
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watt said:
HP, pure power is meaningless in the modern world. as for spending big $ to lighten a car Porsche should have lightened for me, no thanks.
and living in the canyons, and driving them to and from daily, i vastly prefer a strad, then a 3, before a TT whose heaviness is evident in every downhill or off camber braking moment..
to each his own
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watt said:
and tossability, repsonsiveness and light weight are just meaningless, because where you live there's no traffic and you pound your TT to redline 1000 times a day?
HP, pure power is meaningless in the modern world. as for spending big $ to lighten a car Porsche should have lightened for me, no thanks.
and living in the canyons, and driving them to and from daily, i vastly prefer a strad, then a 3, before a TT whose heaviness is evident in every downhill or off camber braking moment..
to each his own
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cannga said:
Porsche does do it for you. It's called the GT2. In buying the TT and selling it after 900 miles, clearly you bought the wrong car for YOUR intended use and YOUR personal preferences. Why blame the car if you made the erroneous choice?