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Jul 17, 2007 3:21:40 PM
- john999s
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
Same RUMOURS heard from different sources.
But I've one comment to share with you.
I've sold my 997S two weeks ago. I went to my dealer and then propose one deal :
- order the current GT3 mk1 for january
- place an order for the mk2 directly if they can promise to buy back my mk1 to a good price.
ANSWER : NOT POSSIBLE TO GARANTY A PRICE FOR THE MK1
Why ? because they know that the current one will loose a large amount of money due to the fact that the new one will outperform the previous one ( DI = more torque and better performance).
So the game porsche is playing with us is disgusting : more focused on profit than on client's satisfaction.
Sad but true ....
But I've one comment to share with you.
I've sold my 997S two weeks ago. I went to my dealer and then propose one deal :
- order the current GT3 mk1 for january
- place an order for the mk2 directly if they can promise to buy back my mk1 to a good price.
ANSWER : NOT POSSIBLE TO GARANTY A PRICE FOR THE MK1
Why ? because they know that the current one will loose a large amount of money due to the fact that the new one will outperform the previous one ( DI = more torque and better performance).
So the game porsche is playing with us is disgusting : more focused on profit than on client's satisfaction.
Sad but true ....
Jul 17, 2007 7:46:43 PM
- Modrocket_stereo
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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Gnil said:
Just spoke to my OPC dealer, he tells me that the current Gt3 and GT3 RS will not be built after the end of this year
and will be replaced with a 3.8 liter engine with direct injection.
I insisted on the accuracy of that info. He guaranteed that it is correct.
What might be an even more wild rumour would be a 997GT2-MKII with a 3.8L upgrade for 2009.
It makes me wonder if tuners might try this conversion on their own, as well.
Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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Gnil said:
Just spoke to my OPC dealer, he tells me that the current Gt3 and GT3 RS will not be built after the end of this year
and will be replaced with a 3.8 liter engine with direct injection.
I insisted on the accuracy of that info. He guaranteed that it is correct.
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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Rossi said:Quote:
ResB said:
This isn't good news for my current MK1 aspirations....:(
Thought the same. Porsche changes its models much too quickly.
I told the dealer that this is bad news for the current owners... the answere was : they will buy the new one !!!
Jul 18, 2007 7:42:56 AM
- Porsche-Jeck
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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ricounss said:
Could you please translate as most of them do not speak german
Actually the thread in the German board focusses on the pros/cons of PSM - KF said the 997 GT3 MK II might be equipped with PSM as it might be mandatory in the US in the future.
Jul 18, 2007 8:22:55 AM
- Jeannot
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Jul 18, 2007 9:10:49 AM
- Porsche-Jeck
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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Jeannot said:
Is there an issue having PSM as long as you can switch it off ?
Well, IMHO no issue at all - of course you can't really completely switch off the PSM with the current PSM generation (PSM will reactivate itself once the ABS kicks in on at least two wheels). However there are different opinions in the German thread (forgive me for being too lazy to translate the entire thread
).As for the Eau Rouge crash: I guess the guy should have stayed away from the curbs (not sure whether PSM would have prevented the crash
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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Gnil said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
ResB said:
This isn't good news for my current MK1 aspirations....:(
Thought the same. Porsche changes its models much too quickly.
I told the dealer that this is bad news for the current owners... the answere was : they will buy the new one !!!
I also don't like that attitude towards their customers.
Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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SonOfStig said:
Ja bitte, das ist besserer für mich auch... ich verstehe nicht Deutsche - zu schwer!
Prost
Yes - and "Noch einmal", which was the first phrase I learned when I started living in Munich for a year. I got very good at saying that...
It was a good time - I still miss the place. Mountains, lakes, beer, and, of course autobahns and twisties on the route to Italy thru Switzerland...
Luckily I still do a lot of work with German clients, so I get to sample the beer quite often, although sadly there's not much autobahn driving using the Stig-mobile.
Prost (und noch einmal, bitte!)
Jul 18, 2007 1:03:07 PM
- Porsche-Jeck
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
I spoke with a few dealers today and they are all saying the same thing. Although they do not have any information on a pending MkII release, they are saying this is the next logical step in the GT3 lineup as well as other models also.
So, what do I do?
For me I'm going to see how things go with the sale of mine. If I sell it tomorrow for instance then I may take a view and just go for the MkI. Who knows, I might not be in a position to buy the MkII when or if it arrives. However, I'm not buying anything if I can't sell mine in the intervening period.
So, what do I do?
For me I'm going to see how things go with the sale of mine. If I sell it tomorrow for instance then I may take a view and just go for the MkI. Who knows, I might not be in a position to buy the MkII when or if it arrives. However, I'm not buying anything if I can't sell mine in the intervening period.
Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
I'm not sure what the problem is. Porsche has always improved the breed. Iterative changes that marginally improve the car every generation. It's always been that way. Would you rather have PAG not improve the car?
Most manufacturers contine to improve the breed and resale tanks on prior models.
Ferrari is exempt b/c ferrari does not build enough cars to meet demand, and ferrari's exclusivity makes their cars one of the ultimate positional goods, much more so than Porsche.
To maintain resale values, Porsche would have to make a lot fewer cars for certain models, work to differentiate those models from the more pedestrian ones, try to secure two year wait lists like Ferrari, etc etc
Or just do a single production run and never make the car again, like the Ford GT.
Most manufacturers contine to improve the breed and resale tanks on prior models.
Ferrari is exempt b/c ferrari does not build enough cars to meet demand, and ferrari's exclusivity makes their cars one of the ultimate positional goods, much more so than Porsche.
To maintain resale values, Porsche would have to make a lot fewer cars for certain models, work to differentiate those models from the more pedestrian ones, try to secure two year wait lists like Ferrari, etc etc
Or just do a single production run and never make the car again, like the Ford GT.
Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
Sorry, guys. This is the post i meant:
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KF said:Quote:
zzboba said:
Man darf ja auch nicht vergessen, dass Porsche einen GT3 an jeden verkauft, der einen will.
Genau das ist der Punkt, über den ich mich aufrege. Ich will nicht, dass der GT3 zu einem Flanier-Porsche verkommt.
Ich gebe allen bezüglich dem erhöhten Sicherheitsfaktor durch PSM recht. PSM ist toll
Mal sehen, was die Zukunft bringt. Man hört nur 3,8 ltr, 435 PS und FSi
Jul 18, 2007 6:08:17 PM
- SonOfStig
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Jul 19, 2007 5:15:38 PM
- Alex_997TT
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Re: Next GT3 with 3.8 engine
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Porsche-Jeck said:
Same "dealerspeak" over here (997 GT3 MK II 3.8 L / 440 hp) - we'll see what it's worth
440bhp would be about right going from 3.6L to 3.8L. This wouldn't include Direct Injection though. If you are talking DI also, then you would be looking more at 455bhp...
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