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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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01Box06Z06 said:
Not sure what they did there. 0-60 (100kph) in 4.5 second and 0-124mph (200kph) in 13.6 seconds.
Can any translate more of the article?
Just as mentioned by Markus: 30*C- Sportauto gained 12.0 sec 0-200 km/h in an earlier test at 4*C.
HvS' conclusion: "a small (read: unexpected) sensation....in terms of price/performance the European sportscar makers should blush....the engine is a "hammer" and the suspension is great....for the first time the Vette's build quality comes close to the European standard.....hat off to a car focussing on the crucial factors....the relative low weight shows the serious attempt to do changes where there are most effective."
BTW HvS' editorial's headline: "The pressure on Porsche increases tremendously" (referring to both, Z06 and R8)
Maybe Nick should read this issue after all his allegations that HvS is Porsche biased
I still believe he is biased. His times are the worst recorded for the Z06. But the car is so good and could not fudge them to badly. However, note he is one second slower than the GT3's on a fast track like the Ring. Total nonsense. The RS or GT3 would not stand a chance driven by equal unbiased drivers.
and I dont belive he is biased, if that was the case he wouldnt admit those fast laptimes for Z06.
Every germancarmag has done bad acc numbers with Z06 so using your logical, all german autojournalists are biased. I dont buy that. Z06 is no easy car off the line, sure if HvS and those others would have spend more time in the car the acc times might have been better.
Just because a carjournalists dont get good times doesnt mean they are baised. Claiming so just sound like a bad excuse to me.
May 20, 2007 2:41:12 AM
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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
why dont you consider R compound between the GT3 and Z06..put R compound on the Z06 and all those cars would be seeing the back side of the Z06 all the way..there is no contest on a track like the ring..
people with porsche bias talk exactly like the people with ferrari/lambo bias against the porsche and then porsche fella call foul..
people with porsche bias talk exactly like the people with ferrari/lambo bias against the porsche and then porsche fella call foul..
May 20, 2007 7:49:57 AM
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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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why dont you consider R compound between the GT3 and Z06..put R compound on the Z06 and all those cars would be seeing the back side of the Z06 all the way..there is no contest on a track like the ring..
people with porsche bias talk exactly like the people with ferrari/lambo bias against the porsche and then porsche fella call foul..
I don't think that other tires could improve the Z06 time significantly.
Based on a recent tire test in the German press the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06 tire, right?) and the PZero Hero (599GTB etc.) offer very similar track performance as the Michelin Sport Cup tire...
Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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crazi4speed said:
why dont you consider R compound between the GT3 and Z06..put R compound on the Z06 and all those cars would be seeing the back side of the Z06 all the way..there is no contest on a track like the ring..
people with porsche bias talk exactly like the people with ferrari/lambo bias against the porsche and then porsche fella call foul..
I don't think that other tires could improve the Z06 time significantly.
Based on a recent tire test in the German press the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06 tire, right?) and the PZero Hero (599GTB etc.) offer very similar track performance as the Michelin Sport Cup tire...
Exactly. Like several well-respected members with lots of track experience have already mentioned, the Corvette run-flats are actually a great performing tyre on a track.
May 20, 2007 4:40:27 PM
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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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Porsche has to stop "rationing" hp and chassis development. They think they are their own competition. They can do a lot better than what they offer now, unless all the money is just for Panamera, VW stock and Mini Cayenne development.
Porsche won't stop with this model philosophy as long as they sell nearly 100.000 cars each year. The true sports car enthusiast may be disappointed by Porsche and move on to other brands like Ferrari, Lamborghini or even Audi, but as long as the cash-flow is right, Zuffenhausen won't change a thing.
I agree with you Stefan. As long as they sell them there is no need to change them.
As far as I can understand Porsche is relying on first time buyers nowadays because the old timers that believed in Porsche are looking else where. In Houston alone I know of many people that swore by Porsche and owned many different kinds of it too and now driving something else.
Sooner or later this philosophy will catch up with them and will hurt the reputation badly
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May 21, 2007 4:38:02 PM
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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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Based on a recent tire test in the German press the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06 tire, right?) and the PZero Hero (599GTB etc.) offer very similar track performance as the Michelin Sport Cup tire...
So why would anyone use anything else than run-flat tires, if there's no performance gain?
I'm totally lost why any performance-oriented car (like GT3 RS) would use anything less than best tire available.
May 21, 2007 6:57:05 PM
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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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MKSGR said:
Based on a recent tire test in the German press the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06 tire, right?) and the PZero Hero (599GTB etc.) offer very similar track performance as the Michelin Sport Cup tire...
So why would anyone use anything else than run-flat tires, if there's no performance gain?
I'm totally lost why any performance-oriented car (like GT3 RS) would use anything less than best tire available.
I don't quite understand your question, I guess...
My point is: the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06) or Pirelli PZero Hero (599GTB) are very close to cup tires like Michelin PS Cup in terms of performance. Thus changing from either tire to cup tires should not improve lap times significantly.
May 23, 2007 4:28:53 PM
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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
Okay, as far as I've understood, only if Sport Auto and/or HvS says certain tyre is faster or slower in 'ring, we can take that into account. :-)
So how much faster or slower for example GT3 RS is with or without run-flat tires? Of course same can be asked from Z06 folks as well, but all we know now is the test with run-flats.
So how much faster or slower for example GT3 RS is with or without run-flat tires? Of course same can be asked from Z06 folks as well, but all we know now is the test with run-flats.
May 23, 2007 4:42:59 PM
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Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Pekka_Perkeles said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Based on a recent tire test in the German press the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06 tire, right?) and the PZero Hero (599GTB etc.) offer very similar track performance as the Michelin Sport Cup tire...
So why would anyone use anything else than run-flat tires, if there's no performance gain?
I'm totally lost why any performance-oriented car (like GT3 RS) would use anything less than best tire available.
I don't quite understand your question, I guess...
My point is: the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06) or Pirelli PZero Hero (599GTB) are very close to cup tires like Michelin PS Cup in terms of performance. Thus changing from either tire to cup tires should not improve lap times significantly.
You haven't done too much driving on runflats have you? They suck. They're hard and uncommunicative. They instill no confidence due to lack of road feel. Regular michelin are alot better much less cup tires.
Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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355Spider said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Pekka_Perkeles said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Based on a recent tire test in the German press the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06 tire, right?) and the PZero Hero (599GTB etc.) offer very similar track performance as the Michelin Sport Cup tire...
So why would anyone use anything else than run-flat tires, if there's no performance gain?
I'm totally lost why any performance-oriented car (like GT3 RS) would use anything less than best tire available.
I don't quite understand your question, I guess...
My point is: the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06) or Pirelli PZero Hero (599GTB) are very close to cup tires like Michelin PS Cup in terms of performance. Thus changing from either tire to cup tires should not improve lap times significantly.
You haven't done too much driving on runflats have you? They suck. They're hard and uncommunicative. They instill no confidence due to lack of road feel. Regular michelin are alot better much less cup tires.
sportauto does not complain about the run-flats at all. In contrast... For the NBR the Z06 run-flats seem to work fine
Re: Sportauto supertest: Corvette Z06 (incl. scans
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MKSGR said:Quote:
355Spider said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Pekka_Perkeles said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
Based on a recent tire test in the German press the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06 tire, right?) and the PZero Hero (599GTB etc.) offer very similar track performance as the Michelin Sport Cup tire...
So why would anyone use anything else than run-flat tires, if there's no performance gain?
I'm totally lost why any performance-oriented car (like GT3 RS) would use anything less than best tire available.
I don't quite understand your question, I guess...
My point is: the Goodyear Eagle F1 (Z06) or Pirelli PZero Hero (599GTB) are very close to cup tires like Michelin PS Cup in terms of performance. Thus changing from either tire to cup tires should not improve lap times significantly.
You haven't done too much driving on runflats have you? They suck. They're hard and uncommunicative. They instill no confidence due to lack of road feel. Regular michelin are alot better much less cup tires.
sportauto does not complain about the run-flats at all. In contrast... For the NBR the Z06 run-flats seem to work fine
There's very good reason all guys that track their Vettes regularly change them out as the first mod. They gain quite a bit on every track with better tires.
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