May 4, 2007 7:51:45 AM
- Pink Panther
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May 4, 2007 9:45:19 AM
- DirtyHarry
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May 4, 2007 1:28:53 PM
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May 4, 2007 10:14:56 PM
- Porky Tokyo
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
My Ferrari dealer told me that a clutch can be damaged quite easily, even within 5,000 miles with fairly "normal" use ^ normal use meaning city driving, a few fast pull away etc. Apparently, driving uphill or parking manouvers that require a lot of gear changing are not good for F1 type clutches. In fact, I was told that I should NOT buy a F1 car for my home because of the parking! Get it checked out asap. Since you have not had it for long you should get it covered in warranty - have you done many miles since you got it? Another thing, I once did when a dealer said "your car is fine sir", I went to another dealer in a different car and specifically, tried out a car with similar mileage to mine and felt how the clutch was!
May 4, 2007 10:16:22 PM
- Porky Tokyo
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May 5, 2007 5:40:12 AM
- Mike S
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
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Porky Tokyo said:
My Ferrari dealer told me that a clutch can be damaged quite easily, even within 5,000 miles with fairly "normal" use ^ normal use meaning city driving, a few fast pull away etc. Apparently, driving uphill or parking manouvers that require a lot of gear changing are not good for F1 type clutches. In fact, I was told that I should NOT buy a F1 car for my home because of the parking! Get it checked out asap. Since you have not had it for long you should get it covered in warranty - have you done many miles since you got it? Another thing, I once did when a dealer said "your car is fine sir", I went to another dealer in a different car and specifically, tried out a car with similar mileage to mine and felt how the clutch was!
My driveway sounds exactly like what I shouldn't be doing with my clutch 
May 5, 2007 6:22:01 AM
- Rossi
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
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Porky Tokyo said:
My Ferrari dealer told me that a clutch can be damaged quite easily, even within 5,000 miles with fairly "normal" use ^ normal use meaning city driving, a few fast pull away etc. Apparently, driving uphill or parking manouvers that require a lot of gear changing are not good for F1 type clutches. In fact, I was told that I should NOT buy a F1 car for my home because of the parking! Get it checked out asap. Since you have not had it for long you should get it covered in warranty - have you done many miles since you got it? Another thing, I once did when a dealer said "your car is fine sir", I went to another dealer in a different car and specifically, tried out a car with similar mileage to mine and felt how the clutch was!
And my dealer told me that they don't have any issues with the clutch of the F430 at all. Not even at their Challenge cars. He said the clutch of a F430 should last for AT LEAST 30.000 km.
May 6, 2007 1:17:36 AM
- Porky Tokyo
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
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Porky Tokyo said:
My Ferrari dealer told me that a clutch can be damaged quite easily, even within 5,000 miles with fairly "normal" use normal use meaning city driving, a few fast pull away etc. Apparently, driving uphill or parking manouvers that require a lot of gear changing are not good for F1 type clutches. In fact, I was told that I should NOT buy a F1 car for my home because of the parking! Get it checked out asap. Since you have not had it for long you should get it covered in warranty - have you done many miles since you got it? Another thing, I once did when a dealer said "your car is fine sir", I went to another dealer in a different car and specifically, tried out a car with similar mileage to mine and felt how the clutch was!
And my dealer told me that they don't have any issues with the clutch of the F430 at all. Not even at their Challenge cars. He said the clutch of a F430 should last for AT LEAST 30.000 km.
I am sure the F430 is a lot better, as far as I know here in Japan they have only had a few problems - my dealer is actually a personal friend. We will see how close he is when he gets me a F430 ahead of the 24 - 28 month waiting list!
No seriously, uphill starts can be tough on any car, going in reverse uphill or into a drive are even worse.
Re: F1 clutch slip ?
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Porky Tokyo said:
My Ferrari dealer told me that a clutch can be damaged quite easily, even within 5,000 miles with fairly "normal" use ^ normal use meaning city driving, a few fast pull away etc. Apparently, driving uphill or parking manouvers that require a lot of gear changing are not good for F1 type clutches. In fact, I was told that I should NOT buy a F1 car for my home because of the parking! Get it checked out asap. Since you have not had it for long you should get it covered in warranty - have you done many miles since you got it? Another thing, I once did when a dealer said "your car is fine sir", I went to another dealer in a different car and specifically, tried out a car with similar mileage to mine and felt how the clutch was!
And my dealer told me that they don't have any issues with the clutch of the F430 at all. Not even at their Challenge cars. He said the clutch of a F430 should last for AT LEAST 30.000 km.
Have a colleague who commutes almost daily in his 599 through SF's steep hills....gets a new F every 6 mos (just got his second 599)....he has observed that F clutch life has indeed improved greatly in past 2 yrs (and he's been commuting via new F's in SF for past 7yrs+)....
Apparently, based upon complaints re: poor clutch life from SF F owners (perhaps world's steepest hills for a major mkt where F's are often used for commuting), F sent test drivers/engineers to SF a few yrs back to drive F's through SF's steepest hills during AM/PM rush hrs to figure out how to improve clutch life....seems like they did great work on engineering more robust, urban/hill-compatible clutches
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Apparently, based upon complaints re: poor clutch life from SF F owners (perhaps world's steepest hills for a major mkt where F's are often used for commuting), F sent test drivers/engineers to SF a few yrs back to drive F's through SF's steepest hills during AM/PM rush hrs to figure out how to improve clutch life....seems like they did great work on engineering more robust, urban/hill-compatible clutches
I appreciate such improvement very much. A lifespan of only 15k kilometres is simply not appropriate for a high technology product like a Ferrari with a F1-gear box. Also it seems that Ferrari takes complaints from customers about their products seriously and tries to improve them.
May 7, 2007 2:22:12 PM
- Pink Panther
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May 7, 2007 3:19:10 PM
- swissgallardo
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
guys
I my 4200GT Maserati CC = F1, the clutch was gone because of reverse driving/parking. The parking lot has a little "hill", the clutch was gone after 16'000 km.
It was replaced under goodwill
The following helps to improve the livespan of your clutch:
always pull the car in neutral while waiting in trafic, or at the traffic lights
while shifting from one gear to the other, rlease the throtle for a second
while accelerating, wait until you feel that the clutch has griped, then fully accelerate
if you do this the clutch will live for at least 30-40'000 km
rgds
I my 4200GT Maserati CC = F1, the clutch was gone because of reverse driving/parking. The parking lot has a little "hill", the clutch was gone after 16'000 km.
It was replaced under goodwill
The following helps to improve the livespan of your clutch:
always pull the car in neutral while waiting in trafic, or at the traffic lights
while shifting from one gear to the other, rlease the throtle for a second
while accelerating, wait until you feel that the clutch has griped, then fully accelerate
if you do this the clutch will live for at least 30-40'000 km
rgds
May 7, 2007 6:39:29 PM
- Pink Panther
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May 7, 2007 11:07:57 PM
- Porky Tokyo
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
Another interesting thing my friend (the Ferrari dealer) told me was that at least here in Japan, most of the owners of F cars are weekend drivers who literally, take the car to a nice place for lunch or dinner, bit of shopping, a bit of cruising in the concrete jungle that is gridlocked known as Tokyo and then go home. Not exactly great for their cars, so the wear on F car clutches is probably a bit higher than the USA or UK where people actually drive thier cars and not just park them outside of Starbucks to impress the teenagers.
May 8, 2007 12:50:28 AM
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
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swissgallardo said:
guys
I my 4200GT Maserati CC = F1, the clutch was gone because of reverse driving/parking. The parking lot has a little "hill", the clutch was gone after 16'000 km.
It was replaced under goodwill
The following helps to improve the livespan of your clutch:
always pull the car in neutral while waiting in trafic, or at the traffic lights
According to Ferrari shifting to neutral while waiting at a light has absolutely no impact on clutch wear.
while shifting from one gear to the other, rlease the throtle for a second
Contrary to instruction in the manual. It suggested keep your foot on the throttle while shifting
while accelerating, wait until you feel that the clutch has griped, then fully accelerate
Not correct. Once in gear and accelerating it does not matter how much throttle you apply
if you do this the clutch will live for at least 30-40'000 km
Clutch wear for the F1 is 30,000 miles if primarily highway. 20-25,000 miles for city and highway.
rgds
Otherwise you are right about everything else.
May 8, 2007 10:26:47 AM
- swissgallardo
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Re: F1 clutch slip ?
all what was mentioned applies to every clutch, regardless if F1 or manuel, it is a question when the torque applies to the clutch
friction and havey torque while not fully closed, kills every clutch
mechanical ground principals apply to all clutch systems, friction means, in iddle or under load equal heat/and abrasion
you do the math
friction and havey torque while not fully closed, kills every clutch
mechanical ground principals apply to all clutch systems, friction means, in iddle or under load equal heat/and abrasion
you do the math
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