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I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
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Crash said:
Wasn't it Frank Sinatra who said: "You drive a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You drive a Lamborghini when you are somebody."
I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
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Crash said:
Wasn't it Frank Sinatra who said: "You drive a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You drive a Lamborghini when you are somebody."
I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
Apr 24, 2007 7:36:30 PM
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Agree, place a deposit for the F430 replacement!
Dealer's by me will not let anyone place a deposit for a replacement unless they're an exsiting customer. AKAIK it's the same deal where joo22us lives in Southern CA. I know it's a catch 22.
That's atrocious and obnoxious, and why one day I will buy a Lambo and not a Ferrari. Nothing against Ferraris or their owners, but the dealers that take your arm and leg along with your money.
I think it's great. For once it's not about how much money over msrp you're willing to pay. My salesman is so funny he told me he picks who he wants to do business with that way he doesn't have aggravation dealing w/ a-holes. It's not about the money. I don't find anything "obnoxious" about their policy at all. "obnoxious" is the guy who's given 20 years worth of business to a Chevy dealer only to be charged over msrp for a Z06. Or bumped from a Z06 after being promised a Z06 because someone else is willing to pay more and I've heard many many stories of Chevy dealers doing this to existing customers. That's obnoxious. Or the Ford customer raped on a Ford GT. That to me is "obnoxious". With Ferrari since they don't/can't make money over msrp on new cars they treat their existing /good customers with the best cars at msrp. Existing customers basically drive these cars for free or make money in the exchange. Sounds more than fair to me.
I guess you're right though when it comes to new Ferrari customers having to pay over msrp for a used car but I can assure you every single car dealer in the world would be doing the same exact thing,,,if they could. The difference is w/ Ferrari w/ a new car it will always be at msrp vs every other car dealer which will charge you as much as they can possibly get away with........The trick is becoming an existing Ferrari customer. But will tell you there's guys who've never paid over sticker for new cars just need to know someone. I paid msrp for my Challenge Stradale (made $ after 2 yrs of ownership) and my F430.
Apr 24, 2007 9:21:03 PM
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Crash said:
Wasn't it Frank Sinatra who said: "You drive a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You drive a Lamborghini when you are somebody."
I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
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Crash said:
Wasn't it Frank Sinatra who said: "You drive a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You drive a Lamborghini when you are somebody."
I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
Yeah exactly "Frank Sinatra". lol! Sorry Crash nothing against you at all man swear but that one always makes me laugh. It always makes me think of Steve Martin's "The Jerk" : "Be somebody"........."Frank Sinatra" lol!
MOST "new buyers".
Apr 24, 2007 10:58:29 PM
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GOT MY GRIGIO SILVERSTONE/CUOIO F430 SPIDER!!! I can tell you that the drive from the dealer to my house (2 miles) was the most exhilarating 2 miles in my life. The dealer told me I got brownie points for buying from them and I would get more brownie points if I sell it back to them. They told me I would be in their "family" and the more brownie points I have, the sooner I will get the next, greatest Ferrari.
I've had 996 Turbo and 05 Gallardo. Those cars are awesome. But I honestly never had the chest expanding, hair growing, waist shrinking, genital enlarging, height increasing feeling I get with the F430. I'm gonna drive it as I feel like it. If I get hosed because I put 5k mi/yr, well so be it. I'd rather enjoy it and take a $ hit than to baby it and sweat every mile. Of course 3 years later I might be so bold but in the meantime...YAHHHHHH HOOOOOOO!!!
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The dealer told me I got brownie points for buying from them and I would get more brownie points if I sell it back to them. They told me I would be in their "family" and the more brownie points I have, the sooner I will get the next, greatest Ferrari.
Apr 25, 2007 1:11:52 AM
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GOT MY GRIGIO SILVERSTONE/CUOIO F430 SPIDER!!! I can tell you that the drive from the dealer to my house (2 miles) was the most exhilarating 2 miles in my life. The dealer told me I got brownie points for buying from them and I would get more brownie points if I sell it back to them. They told me I would be in their "family" and the more brownie points I have, the sooner I will get the next, greatest Ferrari.
I've had 996 Turbo and 05 Gallardo. Those cars are awesome. But I honestly never had the chest expanding, hair growing, waist shrinking, genital enlarging, height increasing feeling I get with the F430. I'm gonna drive it as I feel like it. If I get hosed because I put 5k mi/yr, well so be it. I'd rather enjoy it and take a $ hit than to baby it and sweat every mile. Of course 3 years later I might not be so bold but in the meantime...YAHHHHHH HOOOOOOO!!!
P.S. Thanks to all you Ferrari experts and your insight. I really appreciate it. Maybe I'll see some of youse at F Club meeting.
Apr 25, 2007 4:05:32 AM
Apr 25, 2007 4:24:58 AM
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Hurst said:Manufactured elitims at its best. Just like going out to any boutique club, any hyped reestaurant etc... manufactured elitism.
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But I honestly never had the chest expanding, hair growing, waist shrinking, genital enlarging , height increasing feeling I get with the F430. I'm gonna drive it as I feel like it. If I get hosed because I put 5k mi/yr, well so be it. I'd rather enjoy it and take a $ hit than to baby it and sweat every mile. Of course 3 years later I might not be so bold but in the meantime...YAHHHHHH HOOOOOOO!!!
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Although for joo this is great news: he got the car he wanted and all the exhiliration is proivded!
It still does not solve the issue: Ferrari is gouging the customer base and creating this mythic sense of "brand loyalty" amongst its "existing customers."
Sounds more like a lame cult/ponzi scheme than a true business model. People buy into the mystique and pay up the ass for it.
You begin to understand it when you go to South Beach and see 20 Gallardos per F430. Still, this is a fabricated sensibility and its not good business practice...
Manufactured elitims at its best. Just like going out to any boutique club, any hyped reestaurant etc... manufactured elitism.
Apr 25, 2007 12:28:01 PM
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Hurst said:Manufactured elitims at its best. Just like going out to any boutique club, any hyped reestaurant etc... manufactured elitism.
Los Angeles as a town is all about "manufactured elitism". We've made it a way of life, an art form really. I doubt this bothers Joo22us.
Apr 25, 2007 12:45:07 PM
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Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
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Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
Really???
Cetainly here in the UK you arn't going to be able to walk into a dealer and get a new car to your spec without having a good relationship with them.
Having said that the premium you will pay here for a new 599 is only ~ $60,000 so nothing like the US market
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Wasn't it Frank Sinatra who said: "You drive a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You drive a Lamborghini when you are somebody."
I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
Yeah exactly "Frank Sinatra". lol! Sorry Crash nothing against you at all man swear but that one always makes me laugh. It always makes me think of Steve Martin's "The Jerk" : "Be somebody"........."Frank Sinatra" lol!
MOST "new buyers".
No, I was serious. It was said in one of the Ferrari:Lambo debates a few years ago. You're saying this is fake?
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joo22us said:
GOT MY GRIGIO SILVERSTONE/CUOIO F430 SPIDER!!! I can tell you that the drive from the dealer to my house (2 miles) was the most exhilarating 2 miles in my life. The dealer told me I got brownie points for buying from them and I would get more brownie points if I sell it back to them. They told me I would be in their "family" and the more brownie points I have, the sooner I will get the next, greatest Ferrari.
I've had 996 Turbo and 05 Gallardo. Those cars are awesome. But I honestly never had the chest expanding, hair growing, waist shrinking, genital enlarging, height increasing feeling I get with the F430. I'm gonna drive it as I feel like it. If I get hosed because I put 5k mi/yr, well so be it. I'd rather enjoy it and take a $ hit than to baby it and sweat every mile. Of course 3 years later I might not be so bold but in the meantime...YAHHHHHH HOOOOOOO!!!
P.S. Thanks to all you Ferrari experts and your insight. I really appreciate it. Maybe I'll see some of youse at F Club meeting.
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Hurst said:
Although for joo this is great news: he got the car he wanted and all the exhiliration is proivded!
It still does not solve the issue: Ferrari is gouging the customer base and creating this mythic sense of "brand loyalty" amongst its "existing customers."
Sounds more like a lame cult/ponzi scheme than a true business model. People buy into the mystique and pay up the ass for it.
You begin to understand it when you go to South Beach and see 20 Gallardos per F430. Still, this is a fabricated sensibility and its not good business practice...
Manufactured elitims at its best. Just like going out to any boutique club, any hyped reestaurant etc... manufactured elitism.
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Wasn't it Frank Sinatra who said: "You drive a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You drive a Lamborghini when you are somebody."
I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
Yeah exactly "Frank Sinatra". lol! Sorry Crash nothing against you at all man swear but that one always makes me laugh. It always makes me think of Steve Martin's "The Jerk" : "Be somebody"........."Frank Sinatra" lol!
MOST "new buyers".
No, I was serious. It was said in one of the Ferrari:Lambo debates a few years ago. You're saying this is fake?
I believe he said it but when did he say it 1962? No the part I find funny is that people would actually care about what Frank Sinatra said about sports cars. What did Sammy Davis Jr drive? lol!
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Crash said:
Wasn't it Frank Sinatra who said: "You drive a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You drive a Lamborghini when you are somebody."
I can see how Ferrari treats its existing customers well, but new buyers are screwed with this system. Luckily enough, there are no such problems in Western Europe.
Yeah exactly "Frank Sinatra". lol! Sorry Crash nothing against you at all man swear but that one always makes me laugh. It always makes me think of Steve Martin's "The Jerk" : "Be somebody"........."Frank Sinatra" lol!
MOST "new buyers".
No, I was serious. It was said in one of the Ferrari:Lambo debates a few years ago. You're saying this is fake?
I believe he said it but when did he say it 1962? No the part I find funny is that people would actually care about what Frank Sinatra said about sports cars. What did Sammy Davis Jr drive? lol!
No, not because of the performance or driving sensation (which are top notch), but simply for the people who tout Ferraris as being more of a status symbol - who better than Frank Sinatra to shorten their wingspan? Then again, since you bought the car for performance, it really doesn't surprise me that you don't care .