KresoF1:BTW, due to the lack of fixed rear wing top speed is 316km/h.
My P source wrote to me that around 85% of manual GT3 is expected to be ordered as Touring.
Why would it be slower due to lack of fixed rear wing? The regular GT3 does 319km/h...
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Sep 11, 2017 8:18:33 AM
Porker:KresoF1:BTW, due to the lack of fixed rear wing top speed is 316km/h.
My P source wrote to me that around 85% of manual GT3 is expected to be ordered as Touring.
Why would it be slower due to lack of fixed rear wing? The regular GT3 does 319km/h...
Maybe the cumulative effect of the reduction in air-ram from intakes?
Grant:RC: This doesn't mean however that he always loves MT. He doesn't.Walter has expressed a preference for Manual in every case that it is available.
Ask him about PDK in the 991 Turbo S... Or 918 for that matter...
He loves manual in the GT models and his older 911s... (he has a collection of various Porsche), incl. the Carrera GT.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
Bardman:I can't believe you guys are debating the transmission preferences of Walter R. Drive what you like best, at least now you have a choice - we won't even have transmissions in the not too distant future.
Clearly you are new around here
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Sep 11, 2017 9:52:18 AM
Last night. Just for fun, I was driving the Turbo and decided to give it a dose of lead foot. I did not abuse the clutch off the line but in sport mode nailed the throttle as soon as the clutch was engaged 100%. In first the Turbo requires an almost instant shift to second. At exactly redline I pulled off the perfect, lighting fast, one two shift without loosing any boost and the car instantly hit seventy. That one shift was sooooo perfect and satisfying. I don't think I could ever do I that well again but it's great knowing I have a manual and can keep trying to better perfection. Reminded me what driving is all about. For me.
bluelines:Bardman:I can't believe you guys are debating the transmission preferences of Walter R. Drive what you like best, at least now you have a choice - we won't even have transmissions in the not too distant future.
Clearly you are new around here
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
KresoF1:No rear seats. It is basically "unlimited" 991.2R(aka 991.2 GT3 Touring Package).
Is that confirmed? Sorry I've been away from "car scene" for a few months and this car is very exciting for me! But I really do want rear seats. It has always been my dream to have a GT3 with rear seats. When I was younger my GT3 was my daily driver, and I would love to be able to do that again. Not going to happen unless it has rear seats so I can pick the kids up.
It was a logical consequence that we will see a 991.2 R or whatever you will call it. Lots of my friends which own a 991R are very upset that Porsche launches this car. I might be sarcastic but I think those greedy bastards should be happy with what they have. They can be happy owning a special limited car which might stay stable in price. Obviously many of them hoped to own that half a million Euro 911 which will raise even to higher value. But hey - you bought a car for 230k, so better be happy if you don't loose a cent of that, you don't have to earn with it.
Sep 11, 2017 11:22:21 AM
Sep 11, 2017 12:17:35 PM
At the risk of stating the obvious if there are no other technical/mechanical changes from the winged to wingless versions, deleting the wing post delivery with OEM rear deckled parts is not a major effort.
"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you" Churchill
DaveC:At the risk of stating the obvious if there are no other technical/mechanical changes from the winged to wingless versions, deleting the wing post delivery with OEM rear deckled parts is not a major effort.
There are...
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RC:DaveC:At the risk of stating the obvious if there are no other technical/mechanical changes from the winged to wingless versions, deleting the wing post delivery with OEM rear deckled parts is not a major effort.
There are...
Then it's a different story.
"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you" Churchill
DaveC:When you feel the time is appropriate I am certain the details would be appreciated.
I do not have much, believe me. I saw the photo of the final car, I know that it is supposed to be coming soon and my last information indicated PDK only and rear seats but this all can change in a heartbeat if Porsche feels they need to do so.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)
Surprised RC didn't mention this yet.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/r8/100848/audi-r8-to-go-rear-wheel-drive-in-frankfurt
RC:DaveC:When you feel the time is appropriate I am certain the details would be appreciated.
I do not have much, believe me. I saw the photo of the final car, I know that it is supposed to be coming soon and my last information indicated PDK only and rear seats but this all can change in a heartbeat if Porsche feels they need to do so.
Seems MT only makes no sense but Porsche does it's own thing. I like your version better than what has been said so far!
"Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you" Churchill
KresoF1:BTW, due to the lack of fixed rear wing top speed is 316km/h.
My P source wrote to me that around 85% of manual GT3 is expected to be ordered as Touring.
So, it has a speed limiter (only Porsche sports car with one)?
My car will be the Unicorn (Manual with Wing)?
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Sep 11, 2017 3:00:54 PM
Grant:KresoF1:BTW, due to the lack of fixed rear wing top speed is 316km/h.
My P source wrote to me that around 85% of manual GT3 is expected to be ordered as Touring.
So, it has a speed limiter (only Porsche sports car with one)?
My car will be the Unicorn (Manual with Wing)?
How about less air-ram effect than GT3, more weight than 911R, or shorter gearing in 6th?
Sep 11, 2017 3:06:28 PM
Boxster Coupe GTS:Grant:KresoF1:BTW, due to the lack of fixed rear wing top speed is 316km/h.
My P source wrote to me that around 85% of manual GT3 is expected to be ordered as Touring.
So, it has a speed limiter (only Porsche sports car with one)?
My car will be the Unicorn (Manual with Wing)?
How about less air-ram effect than GT3, more weight than 911R, or shorter gearing in 6th?
Has the same amount of ram-air and gearing as the 911R and at least as much power (if not detuned) but it's slower. It has to be an electronic speed limiter, imo (either legitimately for safety or to let the R have its superior specs). Slight weight difference adds 0.1 sec to 100kph, but shouldn't affect Vmax without electronic interference...
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Sep 11, 2017 3:18:48 PM
Grant:Boxster Coupe GTS:Grant:KresoF1:BTW, due to the lack of fixed rear wing top speed is 316km/h.
My P source wrote to me that around 85% of manual GT3 is expected to be ordered as Touring.
So, it has a speed limiter (only Porsche sports car with one)?
My car will be the Unicorn (Manual with Wing)?
How about less air-ram effect than GT3, more weight than 911R, or shorter gearing in 6th?
Has the same amount of ram-air and gearing as the 911R and at least as much power (if not detuned) but it's slower. It has to be an electronic speed limiter, imo (either legitimately for safety or to let the R have its superior specs). Slight weight difference adds 0.1 sec to 100kph, but doesn't affect Vmax...
Aside from the weight difference, I hear the GT3 Touring has better aero performance than 911R, providing more downforce at Vmax...
Sep 11, 2017 3:20:19 PM
Boxster Coupe GTS:Aside from the weight difference, I hear the GT3 Touring has better aero performance than 911R, providing more downforce at Vmax...
From Gurney flap on retractable spoiler? That would help with downforce, but not make a significant difference in drag
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Porsche learnt a lot doing the 911R. As I said, it was a beta test car. Everything they learn on the 911R is now being applied to the Touring.
Porsche have said the .2 GT3 front bumper create a bit more downforce than the .1 GT3, and the Touring car has a little Gurney flap which isn't present on the 911R. So this car will have a bit more downforce than the 911R to make it a bit more stable.
The 911R gets quite light at the top end of German Autobahn speed.
But thank god for this car, I can finally drive the 911R again.