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Re: SLR Supertest
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Avoe said:
very disapointing, but we all knew it will come like this.
And let's don't forget the CGT had worser conditions, termpreture etc.
Now I just wan't to see a supertest with the enzo.
Do you think they will ever get one for a supertest?
All I hope for...
Re: SLR Supertest
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Avoe said:
very disapointing, but we all knew it will come like this.
And let's don't forget the CGT had worser conditions, termpreture etc.
Now I just wan't to see a supertest with the enzo.
Do you think they will ever get one for a supertest?
All I hope for...
May 21, 2004 11:50:14 AM
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Re: SLR Supertest
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Well, Nordschliefe time is disappointing
"disappointing" is too nice of a word, carbon fiber body, 600HP V8, ceramic discs, and $400,000 pricetag for a 7:52?
when you consider a simple, confortable, easy to drive & basic 997S does 7:59 ,and a Gallardo or Murc matches the 7:52, you get the picture of how much a failure this car is, trying to balance supercar standards and costs with GT confort you get neither; a poor GT with ridicule supercar performance (except for straight line bursts of acceleration that quickly get boring).
May 21, 2004 11:50:14 AM
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///AMG Mercedes said:
Well, Nordschliefe time is disappointing
"disappointing" is too nice of a word, carbon fiber body, 600HP V8, ceramic discs, and $400,000 pricetag for a 7:52?
when you consider a simple, confortable, easy to drive & basic 997S does 7:59 ,and a Gallardo or Murc matches the 7:52, you get the picture of how much a failure this car is, trying to balance supercar standards and costs with GT confort you get neither; a poor GT with ridicule supercar performance (except for straight line bursts of acceleration that quickly get boring).
May 21, 2004 12:54:58 PM
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Well as you say straight line acceleration runs get boring and are pointless, thats how I feel about lap times. No-one is going to buy the SLR to track it, CGT owners might, which I feel is ludicrous to track such an expensive car when a 10K GBP car will do it quicker and cheaper, but there you go. To each his own.
You can go on calling this car a failure, but will slow lap times deter 50y/olds from buying this Mercedes? No, didn't think so. When I buy a car, I don't research into lap times to see if car x will beat mine and neither do the vast majority of buyers. Its all about acceleration, top speed and horsepower, regardless if it gets used or not. If fast lap times float your boat, then go check radical sportscars, they'll put your CGT is the king car to shame, but does it matter? No.
Sorry for the tone, but I'm sick of hearing this car is a disppointment, I don't come into Porsche forum and say how CGT is uncomfortable and has a tricky clutch, do I?
You can go on calling this car a failure, but will slow lap times deter 50y/olds from buying this Mercedes? No, didn't think so. When I buy a car, I don't research into lap times to see if car x will beat mine and neither do the vast majority of buyers. Its all about acceleration, top speed and horsepower, regardless if it gets used or not. If fast lap times float your boat, then go check radical sportscars, they'll put your CGT is the king car to shame, but does it matter? No.
Sorry for the tone, but I'm sick of hearing this car is a disppointment, I don't come into Porsche forum and say how CGT is uncomfortable and has a tricky clutch, do I?
May 21, 2004 12:54:58 PM
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Re: SLR Supertest
Well as you say straight line acceleration runs get boring and are pointless, thats how I feel about lap times. No-one is going to buy the SLR to track it, CGT owners might, which I feel is ludicrous to track such an expensive car when a 10K GBP car will do it quicker and cheaper, but there you go. To each his own.
You can go on calling this car a failure, but will slow lap times deter 50y/olds from buying this Mercedes? No, didn't think so. When I buy a car, I don't research into lap times to see if car x will beat mine and neither do the vast majority of buyers. Its all about acceleration, top speed and horsepower, regardless if it gets used or not. If fast lap times float your boat, then go check radical sportscars, they'll put your CGT is the king car to shame, but does it matter? No.
Sorry for the tone, but I'm sick of hearing this car is a disppointment, I don't come into Porsche forum and say how CGT is uncomfortable and has a tricky clutch, do I?
You can go on calling this car a failure, but will slow lap times deter 50y/olds from buying this Mercedes? No, didn't think so. When I buy a car, I don't research into lap times to see if car x will beat mine and neither do the vast majority of buyers. Its all about acceleration, top speed and horsepower, regardless if it gets used or not. If fast lap times float your boat, then go check radical sportscars, they'll put your CGT is the king car to shame, but does it matter? No.
Sorry for the tone, but I'm sick of hearing this car is a disppointment, I don't come into Porsche forum and say how CGT is uncomfortable and has a tricky clutch, do I?
Bilal, I see your point...
7:52 is still quick. In particular for a luxury GT with automatic shifting and all driving comfort (multiple adjustable seats, GPS, etc.). With all this the SLR is simply a different concept of a car as compared to CGT and Enzo.
The question to CF (or any other members of this forum who have already driven the SLR) would be whether the SLR has the drive feel of a true GT and not so much the aura of a pure bread super sports car. If so, the SLR might be an interesting add-on for a otherwise well equipped garage... A car (among others in that virtual garage) for a long and very fast business trip, maybe (like a 996TT on steroids
)?
The question to CF (or any other members of this forum who have already driven the SLR) would be whether the SLR has the drive feel of a true GT and not so much the aura of a pure bread super sports car. If so, the SLR might be an interesting add-on for a otherwise well equipped garage... A car (among others in that virtual garage) for a long and very fast business trip, maybe (like a 996TT on steroids
)?
Bilal, I see your point...
7:52 is still quick. In particular for a luxury GT with automatic shifting and all driving comfort (multiple adjustable seats, GPS, etc.). With all this the SLR is simply a different concept of a car as compared to CGT and Enzo.
The question to CF (or any other members of this forum who have already driven the SLR) would be whether the SLR has the drive feel of a true GT and not so much the aura of a pure bread super sports car. If so, the SLR might be an interesting add-on for a otherwise well equipped garage... A car (among others in that virtual garage) for a long and very fast business trip, maybe (like a 996TT on steroids)?
The question to CF (or any other members of this forum who have already driven the SLR) would be whether the SLR has the drive feel of a true GT and not so much the aura of a pure bread super sports car. If so, the SLR might be an interesting add-on for a otherwise well equipped garage... A car (among others in that virtual garage) for a long and very fast business trip, maybe (like a 996TT on steroids
)?
Re: Bilal, I see your point...
Exactly.
The thing is, there are drivers cars and then there are cars. I can understand and attest that probably no Mercedes has the drive feel of a Porsche, and all Mercedes are numb cars to drive. The SLR is probably no exception, but people will still buy it because some people prefer that sort of car?
Is that so hard to grasp for some people?
Why do people buy Lexus, when Benz does it better? Why do people buy RR's when Maybach does it better? Why do people buy the CGT, when the radical SR3 has set the Nring record?
The thing is, there are drivers cars and then there are cars. I can understand and attest that probably no Mercedes has the drive feel of a Porsche, and all Mercedes are numb cars to drive. The SLR is probably no exception, but people will still buy it because some people prefer that sort of car?
Is that so hard to grasp for some people?
Why do people buy Lexus, when Benz does it better? Why do people buy RR's when Maybach does it better? Why do people buy the CGT, when the radical SR3 has set the Nring record?
Re: Bilal, I see your point...
Exactly.
The thing is, there are drivers cars and then there are cars. I can understand and attest that probably no Mercedes has the drive feel of a Porsche, and all Mercedes are numb cars to drive. The SLR is probably no exception, but people will still buy it because some people prefer that sort of car?
Is that so hard to grasp for some people?
Why do people buy Lexus, when Benz does it better? Why do people buy RR's when Maybach does it better? Why do people buy the CGT, when the radical SR3 has set the Nring record?
The thing is, there are drivers cars and then there are cars. I can understand and attest that probably no Mercedes has the drive feel of a Porsche, and all Mercedes are numb cars to drive. The SLR is probably no exception, but people will still buy it because some people prefer that sort of car?
Is that so hard to grasp for some people?
Why do people buy Lexus, when Benz does it better? Why do people buy RR's when Maybach does it better? Why do people buy the CGT, when the radical SR3 has set the Nring record?
May 21, 2004 3:19:48 PM
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Re: SLR Supertest
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///AMG Mercedes said:
Well as you say straight line acceleration runs get boring and are pointless, thats how I feel about lap times. No-one is going to buy the SLR to track it, CGT owners might, which I feel is ludicrous to track such an expensive car when a 10K GBP car will do it quicker and cheaper, but there you go. To each his own.
You can go on calling this car a failure, but will slow lap times deter 50y/olds from buying this Mercedes? No, didn't think so. When I buy a car, I don't research into lap times to see if car x will beat mine and neither do the vast majority of buyers. Its all about acceleration, top speed and horsepower, regardless if it gets used or not. If fast lap times float your boat, then go check radical sportscars, they'll put your CGT is the king car to shame, but does it matter? No.
Sorry for the tone, but I'm sick of hearing this car is a disppointment, I don't come into Porsche forum and say how CGT is uncomfortable and has a tricky clutch, do I?
No Bilal, you didn't get the point, lap times are not only important to people who intend to track their cars, it shows how the car accels out of the corners, handles in the curves, brakes, etc and that is what sportcars are about and what characterises the sport driving experience is produces, unless you talk to a poseur who just cares about the image and HP and accel paper specs for whom this car is very appealing, and that why it sells. And this is even more so in the supercar class.
If a 600+HP car needs 7:52 to lap the ring inspite of the advantages in materials and development of what a $400k pricetag can produce, that can tell you something about how "sporty" the car is. Fast staright-line acceleration from a slush box car is hardly amusing to sportcar enthusiasts. Go ask McLaren how they feel about how the SLR turned out and that lap time and you will hear the word "disappointment" pop up again.
What does this car do out of the ordinary for 400k with carbon fiber body, brakes, such engine, etc? Lets take a Gallardo and a GT3 for example:
- does it handle better? no, both the GT3 and Gallardo are faster around Hockenheim, a GT3 with only 380HP does a 7:54 in the ring while the 500HP Gallardo does 7:52.
- does it take corners faster? no both the GT3 and Gallardo have greater slalom speeds and GT3 equals the skipad and gallardo is even higher than the SLR.
- is it more fun to drive? its obvious the GT3/Gallardo are more involving and provide a sportier driving experince than the supercharged front-engined slush box Merc
- is it more confortable? no
- is it more practical? no
- well, is it at least better bang for the buck? 400k vs 100k/150k!
- straight-line acceleration? yes, bu so does a muscle car, and with a torque converter to even do it all for you, you don't even need to know how to drive a stick to drive a real supercar... real sporty.
7:52 and MB tried to market this car as a "supercar" in the begining? the supercar class is much more about brute HP number figures and expensive pricetags, that were the word disappointment comes from, because we were lead to believe they were building a McLaren supercar and what we got is a huge disappointment.
Sorry about the tone but I had held expectations for this car before it came out, like many other people, and now I feel "disappointed".
May 21, 2004 3:19:48 PM
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Re: SLR Supertest
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///AMG Mercedes said:
Well as you say straight line acceleration runs get boring and are pointless, thats how I feel about lap times. No-one is going to buy the SLR to track it, CGT owners might, which I feel is ludicrous to track such an expensive car when a 10K GBP car will do it quicker and cheaper, but there you go. To each his own.
You can go on calling this car a failure, but will slow lap times deter 50y/olds from buying this Mercedes? No, didn't think so. When I buy a car, I don't research into lap times to see if car x will beat mine and neither do the vast majority of buyers. Its all about acceleration, top speed and horsepower, regardless if it gets used or not. If fast lap times float your boat, then go check radical sportscars, they'll put your CGT is the king car to shame, but does it matter? No.
Sorry for the tone, but I'm sick of hearing this car is a disppointment, I don't come into Porsche forum and say how CGT is uncomfortable and has a tricky clutch, do I?
No Bilal, you didn't get the point, lap times are not only important to people who intend to track their cars, it shows how the car accels out of the corners, handles in the curves, brakes, etc and that is what sportcars are about and what characterises the sport driving experience is produces, unless you talk to a poseur who just cares about the image and HP and accel paper specs for whom this car is very appealing, and that why it sells. And this is even more so in the supercar class.
If a 600+HP car needs 7:52 to lap the ring inspite of the advantages in materials and development of what a $400k pricetag can produce, that can tell you something about how "sporty" the car is. Fast staright-line acceleration from a slush box car is hardly amusing to sportcar enthusiasts. Go ask McLaren how they feel about how the SLR turned out and that lap time and you will hear the word "disappointment" pop up again.
What does this car do out of the ordinary for 400k with carbon fiber body, brakes, such engine, etc? Lets take a Gallardo and a GT3 for example:
- does it handle better? no, both the GT3 and Gallardo are faster around Hockenheim, a GT3 with only 380HP does a 7:54 in the ring while the 500HP Gallardo does 7:52.
- does it take corners faster? no both the GT3 and Gallardo have greater slalom speeds and GT3 equals the skipad and gallardo is even higher than the SLR.
- is it more fun to drive? its obvious the GT3/Gallardo are more involving and provide a sportier driving experince than the supercharged front-engined slush box Merc
- is it more confortable? no
- is it more practical? no
- well, is it at least better bang for the buck? 400k vs 100k/150k!
- straight-line acceleration? yes, bu so does a muscle car, and with a torque converter to even do it all for you, you don't even need to know how to drive a stick to drive a real supercar... real sporty.
7:52 and MB tried to market this car as a "supercar" in the begining? the supercar class is much more about brute HP number figures and expensive pricetags, that were the word disappointment comes from, because we were lead to believe they were building a McLaren supercar and what we got is a huge disappointment.
Sorry about the tone but I had held expectations for this car before it came out, like many other people, and now I feel "disappointed".
May 21, 2004 5:34:52 PM
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Re: SLR Supertest
The suspension is very firm and definately NOT what I would characterize as comfortable.
The steering is quite nervous.
It does however feel very direct and sporty.
The brake feel is worthless. SBC !!!!!
The noise level inside the car is quite tiresome after a while.
All things said, I think it's a nice GT car with excellent straight line performance and mediocre handling.
I haven't seen Gordon Murray at any SLR events or press events.
Imagine why!
He doesn't want his legacy to be tainted by this misfit.
The steering is quite nervous.
It does however feel very direct and sporty.
The brake feel is worthless. SBC !!!!!
The noise level inside the car is quite tiresome after a while.
All things said, I think it's a nice GT car with excellent straight line performance and mediocre handling.
I haven't seen Gordon Murray at any SLR events or press events.
Imagine why!
He doesn't want his legacy to be tainted by this misfit.
May 21, 2004 5:34:52 PM
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CF
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Carlos from Spain
Re: SLR Supertest
The suspension is very firm and definately NOT what I would characterize as comfortable.
The steering is quite nervous.
It does however feel very direct and sporty.
The brake feel is worthless. SBC !!!!!
The noise level inside the car is quite tiresome after a while.
All things said, I think it's a nice GT car with excellent straight line performance and mediocre handling.
I haven't seen Gordon Murray at any SLR events or press events.
Imagine why!
He doesn't want his legacy to be tainted by this misfit.
The steering is quite nervous.
It does however feel very direct and sporty.
The brake feel is worthless. SBC !!!!!
The noise level inside the car is quite tiresome after a while.
All things said, I think it's a nice GT car with excellent straight line performance and mediocre handling.
I haven't seen Gordon Murray at any SLR events or press events.
Imagine why!
He doesn't want his legacy to be tainted by this misfit.
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