21-mar-2007 17:47:05
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599 Beats the Enzo!!
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=5015
21-mar-2007 17:47:05
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Crash said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
Crash said:
I want to know more about the factory tuning that andrea was talking about .
There is no such thing as a factory tuning.
andrea said there was and even presented some numbers - I remember Markus asking him about it.
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KresoF1 said:
BTW, clutch will last only up to 10 or so LC starts...
So, after that go figure...
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Fanch said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
Crash said:
I want to know more about the factory tuning that andrea was talking about .
There is no such thing as a factory tuning.
andrea said there was and even presented some numbers - I remember Markus asking him about it.
I read Andrea's posts and I was interested so contacted directly Italy for my 599 and they said it was utter rubish, both for 430 and 599. No such thing as different exhaust.
I then asked Andrea via PM who told me that indeed, there was no powerkit for the 599.
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Patriek said:
I drove the 599 over the Francorchamps track, ... it is FAST, but it's FAR from a track car ! it's a pure GT, really NO track car, even a 430 FEELS better on the track (although 599 IS faster than 430 on track) but it can't be compared to a enzo IMO
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Patriek said:
I drove the 599 over the Francorchamps track, ... it is FAST, but it's FAR from a track car ! it's a pure GT, really NO track car, even a 430 FEELS better on the track (although 599 IS faster than 430 on track) but it can't be compared to a enzo IMO
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dg911 said:Quote:
Patriek said:
I drove the 599 over the Francorchamps track, ... it is FAST, but it's FAR from a track car ! it's a pure GT, really NO track car, even a 430 FEELS better on the track (although 599 IS faster than 430 on track) but it can't be compared to a enzo IMO
Was also at the Spa Ferrari days last years and heard similar comments from several people who tested the car : Very fast GT but heavy and less fun than a 430 on the track
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Rossi said:Quote:
Fanch said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
Crash said:
I want to know more about the factory tuning that andrea was talking about .
There is no such thing as a factory tuning.
andrea said there was and even presented some numbers - I remember Markus asking him about it.
I read Andrea's posts and I was interested so contacted directly Italy for my 599 and they said it was utter rubish, both for 430 and 599. No such thing as different exhaust.
I then asked Andrea via PM who told me that indeed, there was no powerkit for the 599.
As I said, there is no such thing as a factory tuning.
I asked and got the same answer, thanks for the clarification Francois.
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MKSGR said:Quote:
dg911 said:Quote:
Patriek said:
I drove the 599 over the Francorchamps track, ... it is FAST, but it's FAR from a track car ! it's a pure GT, really NO track car, even a 430 FEELS better on the track (although 599 IS faster than 430 on track) but it can't be compared to a enzo IMO
Was also at the Spa Ferrari days last years and heard similar comments from several people who tested the car : Very fast GT but heavy and less fun than a 430 on the track
A friend (who drove nearly every single Ferrari on the track) told me some time ago that the 599GTB handles better on the track than the F40. Lap times available today seem to confirm that. The 599GTB is extremely efficient. Of course the Enzo should be faster still.
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Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
dg911 said:Quote:
Patriek said:
I drove the 599 over the Francorchamps track, ... it is FAST, but it's FAR from a track car ! it's a pure GT, really NO track car, even a 430 FEELS better on the track (although 599 IS faster than 430 on track) but it can't be compared to a enzo IMO
Was also at the Spa Ferrari days last years and heard similar comments from several people who tested the car : Very fast GT but heavy and less fun than a 430 on the track
A friend (who drove nearly every single Ferrari on the track) told me some time ago that the 599GTB handles better on the track than the F40. Lap times available today seem to confirm that. The 599GTB is extremely efficient. Of course the Enzo should be faster still.
So it's fair to say that today's GT-supercars like the 599 GTB Fiorano achieve the same efficiency on the track than earlier pure race-cars like the F40, but offer all the passenger comfort as well. Impressive!
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Fanch said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
BTW, clutch will last only up to 10 or so LC starts...
So, after that go figure...
LC is actually intended to save the clutch. It allows wheel spin and hence is not efficient at all but impressive and harmless on the clutch.
I tried it last weekend on a 599 and it was rather fun, bar utterly pointless.
There is a launch technique that consists in engaging 1st gear then holding left paddle until it blips, then foot on brakes, apply full throttle and release brake.
Canonball departure but that would definitely destroy the clutch quite rapidly.
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svtrader1 said:Quote:
Fanch said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
BTW, clutch will last only up to 10 or so LC starts...
So, after that go figure...
LC is actually intended to save the clutch. It allows wheel spin and hence is not efficient at all but impressive and harmless on the clutch.
I tried it last weekend on a 599 and it was rather fun, bar utterly pointless.
There is a launch technique that consists in engaging 1st gear then holding left paddle until it blips, then foot on brakes, apply full throttle and release brake.
Canonball departure but that would definitely destroy the clutch quite rapidly.
Sorry Fanch, but you have this backwards. LC is brutal on the clutch. The concept of LC is to allow the clutch to slip which would increase wear and tear. Allowing the clutch to slip would reduce wheel spin. Less wheel spin = better traction.
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Fanch said:Quote:
svtrader1 said:Quote:
Fanch said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
BTW, clutch will last only up to 10 or so LC starts...
So, after that go figure...
LC is actually intended to save the clutch. It allows wheel spin and hence is not efficient at all but impressive and harmless on the clutch.
I tried it last weekend on a 599 and it was rather fun, bar utterly pointless.
There is a launch technique that consists in engaging 1st gear then holding left paddle until it blips, then foot on brakes, apply full throttle and release brake.
Canonball departure but that would definitely destroy the clutch quite rapidly.
Sorry Fanch, but you have this backwards. LC is brutal on the clutch. The concept of LC is to allow the clutch to slip which would increase wear and tear. Allowing the clutch to slip would reduce wheel spin. Less wheel spin = better traction.
Incorrect.
Tried it no later than last weekend.
LC allows wheel spin, and hence, no clutch wear.
Try it, you will see.
I believe LC is not availabe for US cars.
Also see EVO roadtest of the 599 where they mention that same case.
www.evo.co.uk