997TT vs. F430 depreciation
I'm attaching a pic I took with my cell phone.
David
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EUR 89.999
MwSt. ausweisbar
Daten:
Gebrauchtfahrzeug, 69.800 km, 294 kW (400 PS), Benzin, Automatik, Erstzulassung: 04/03, Klimaanlage, rot, 2/3 Türen
Kraftstoffverbrauch ca.:
17,9 l/100km
CO2-Emissionen ca.:
415 g/km
Besonderheiten:
ABS, Zentralverriegelung, Lederausstattung, Leichtmetallfelgen, Navigationssystem, el. Fensterheber, Xenonscheinwerfer
Beschreibung:
ROT, VOLLEDER SCHWARZ MIT ROTEN NÄHTEN, SPORTSITZE, KLIMA, XENON, 4-ROHR-SPORTAUSPUFF-FUCHS II , F1-SCHALTING, BECKER-NAVIGATIONSYSTEM, CARBON-PAKET, ROTE BREMSSÄTTEL, FERRARI-EMBLEM AN DEN KOTFLÜGELN, GROSSE INSPEKTION DURCHGEFÜHRT, ZAHNRIEMEN ERNEUERT, BREMSEN ERNEUERT, 1-HAND, UNFALLFREI, SCHECKHEFT, NEUWERTIGER ZUSTAND! !!
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mumbasic said:
If you drive your F-car then you do have a depreciation like Porsche have. But if you have a very new model and the next model is far away and you drive only a few thousand kilometer per year then the F-cars have less depreciation then P-cars. If you look at www.mobile.de you will see a lot of cheap F 360 spider with F1.Quote:
EUR 89.999
MwSt. ausweisbar
Daten:
Gebrauchtfahrzeug, 69.800 km, 294 kW (400 PS), Benzin, Automatik, Erstzulassung: 04/03, Klimaanlage, rot, 2/3 Türen
Kraftstoffverbrauch ca.:
17,9 l/100km
CO2-Emissionen ca.:
415 g/km
Besonderheiten:
ABS, Zentralverriegelung, Lederausstattung, Leichtmetallfelgen, Navigationssystem, el. Fensterheber, Xenonscheinwerfer
Beschreibung:
ROT, VOLLEDER SCHWARZ MIT ROTEN NÄHTEN, SPORTSITZE, KLIMA, XENON, 4-ROHR-SPORTAUSPUFF-FUCHS II , F1-SCHALTING, BECKER-NAVIGATIONSYSTEM, CARBON-PAKET, ROTE BREMSSÄTTEL, FERRARI-EMBLEM AN DEN KOTFLÜGELN, GROSSE INSPEKTION DURCHGEFÜHRT, ZAHNRIEMEN ERNEUERT, BREMSEN ERNEUERT, 1-HAND, UNFALLFREI, SCHECKHEFT, NEUWERTIGER ZUSTAND! !!
like new, 50% of MSRP after 4 years, the same depreciation like a Porsche would have.
AM
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nberry said:
I am familiar with the article. It was on a vendor who rented exotic cars to I believe Londoner's. These are his findings and do not apply to the ROW.
Tell me David, given a choice to buy a 430 at MSRP or a 997TT at MSRP which would you choose?
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nberry said:
I am familiar with the article. It was on a vendor who rented exotic cars to I believe Londoner's. These are his findings and do not apply to the ROW.
Tell me David, given a choice to buy a 430 at MSRP or a 997TT at MSRP which would you choose?
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bstew said:
Depreciation in a 100K+ car in the US? One would think that at these prices if you are worried about that then you probally need to put your money somewhere else. Just a thought.
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bstew said:
Depreciation in a 100K+ car in the US? One would think that at these prices if you are worried about that then you probally need to put your money somewhere else. Just a thought.
Tell that to Nick. I started this thread because of Nick's constant bashing of Porsche resale values. I'm sure that's why he never drives his F430 because we all know the resale value of Ferraris with high mileage, or mileage comparable to a Porsche, drops like a rock.
David
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nberry said:Quote:
DavidSF said:Quote:
bstew said:
Depreciation in a 100K+ car in the US? One would think that at these prices if you are worried about that then you probally need to put your money somewhere else. Just a thought.
Tell that to Nick. I started this thread because of Nick's constant bashing of Porsche resale values. I'm sure that's why he never drives his F430 because we all know the resale value of Ferraris with high mileage, or mileage comparable to a Porsche, drops like a rock.
David
David, I have over 7500 miles on my 2006 Spider. As to the Spider being ugly, I suspect a lot of car manufacturers would love to have this ugly car considering there is a five year wait for one in the US or pay $60-75,000 over MSRP.
Regarding you choosing the 997TT over a 430 at MSRP, it only proves to me that you will never elevate yourself above a Boxster.
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DavidSF said:
Absolutely the 997TT. As I've said in the past, the F430 is a terrible looking car (especially the Spyder with the weird after-market looking humps and cheap "roll hoops") and I would be embarassed to be driving it in public the same way I would be embarassed to wear a gold diamond encrusted Rolex watch in public. It's just not me.
David
Mar 17, 2007 6:43:19 PM
Mar 17, 2007 8:04:53 PM
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U Boat Commander said:
I'd like to understand why everyone thinks that the supply/demand imbalance for new Ferraris in the US will eventually end? It's been that way for as long as I can remember.
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nberry said:
I am familiar with the article. It was on a vendor who rented exotic cars to I believe Londoner's. These are his findings and do not apply to the ROW.
Tell me David, given a choice to buy a 430 at MSRP or a 997TT at MSRP which would you choose?
Absolutely the 997TT. As I've said in the past, the F430 is a terrible looking car (especially the Spyder with the weird after-market looking humps and cheap "roll hoops") and I would be embarassed to be driving it in public the same way I would be embarassed to wear a gold diamond encrusted Rolex watch in public. It's just not me.
David
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VKSF said:
Various new MB/P can be traded-in for 90-100% MSRP during first 6 mos post-launch....and new F for 100% MSRP....why keep any car longer than 6 mos anyway???
Maybe this works for Ferrari's, but I just can't understand why any MB/P Dealer would offer 100% for a lightly used car, regardless of how good a customer is? They would never make any money. What am I missing?
MB/P are not usually sold at a premium - no matter what the waiting list is.
In addition, the Dealer wouldn't make any money on Maintenance/Servicing since the vehicle is sold after just 6 months of use.
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mp said:
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VKSF said:
Various new MB/P can be traded-in for 90-100% MSRP during first 6 mos post-launch....and new F for 100% MSRP....why keep any car longer than 6 mos anyway???
Maybe this works for Ferrari's, but I just can't understand why any MB/P Dealer would offer 100% for a lightly used car, regardless of how good a customer is? They would never make any money. What am I missing?
MB/P are not usually sold at a premium - no matter what the waiting list is.
In addition, the Dealer wouldn't make any money on Maintenance/Servicing since the vehicle is sold after just 6 months of use.
Same here.
By me, probably the largest MB market in the world pre-owned cars don't bring 100% of the msrp, not even the hottest 55,65,63 even within the first 6 months. The only P cars that bring msrp within 6 months are the turbo, maybe GT3RS. But new 8 cyl Ferrrai's 125% within first 6 months and have brought 110-120% within first 2 years. Even through dealer trade in 110-120% through out it's entire production imo. btw: I was at Mercedes of Massapequa today, they bought Ferrari of Long Island and were having a party for customers. Saw the sweetest black S65 on the floor, SL65's too. Really like the GL450, looking at it for my wife's next suv.
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DavidSF said:Quote:
bstew said:
Depreciation in a 100K+ car in the US? One would think that at these prices if you are worried about that then you probally need to put your money somewhere else. Just a thought.
Tell that to Nick. I started this thread because of Nick's constant bashing of Porsche resale values. I'm sure that's why he never drives his F430 because we all know the resale value of Ferraris with high mileage, or mileage comparable to a Porsche, drops like a rock.
David
David, I have over 7500 miles on my 2006 Spider. As to the Spider being ugly, I suspect a lot of car manufacturers would love to have this ugly car considering there is a five year wait for one in the US or pay $60-75,000 over MSRP.
Regarding you choosing the 997TT over a 430 at MSRP, it only proves to me that you will never elevate yourself above a Boxster.
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DavidSF said:Quote:
nberry said:
I am familiar with the article. It was on a vendor who rented exotic cars to I believe Londoner's. These are his findings and do not apply to the ROW.
Tell me David, given a choice to buy a 430 at MSRP or a 997TT at MSRP which would you choose?
Absolutely the 997TT. As I've said in the past, the F430 is a terrible looking car (especially the Spyder with the weird after-market looking humps and cheap "roll hoops") and I would be embarassed to be driving it in public the same way I would be embarassed to wear a gold diamond encrusted Rolex watch in public. It's just not me.
David
Ever find that comment you said EVO posted that the Spider was "VULGAR" ?
You should try driving the car one day, maybe you'll understand why things are the way they are.
PS: The lambo is called "Spider", not the 430.
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STRADALE said:
In my area as in most of the US the F430 will always have far greater re-sale %'s than the turbo. It was the same w/ the 996 turbo vs. the 360/Challenge_Stradale. Believe me I know, I took about a 25% re-sale hit on my turbo after 18 months and I MADE MONEY after owning my CS 2 years. Last week I was offered $35k over what I paid for my 430. No biggy though, it's not news; anyone in the US that's been an owner of both cars (turbo & CS, or 430) will basically tell you the same thing.
Mar 18, 2007 5:48:10 AM
Mar 18, 2007 6:28:59 AM