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Mar 4, 2007 3:30:58 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006

GT2 ?

I want to know your thought about the 997 GT2.

I know it is not yet in the market, but you can almost guess the spec and price.

I love the GT2 and I am planning to buy one in the future. But I not sure does it worth it, especially I guess the motors are almost the same as the TT and the chassis are similar to the RS. Plus, the resell value is not strong.

For the new GT2 price, I guess I can buy a new Ferrari F430 race model. Which is around 530hp from a V8 NA motor.

Do you perfer the F430 CS or the new GT2 and why?

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Mar 4, 2007 3:32:56 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

f430cs specs are known(525hp,475nm,-100kg), we still have to know gt2 specs

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Mar 4, 2007 3:34:53 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: GT2 ?

what is your guess about the GT2?

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Mar 4, 2007 3:45:26 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

515-525hp,680-700nm

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Mar 4, 2007 4:23:41 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: GT2 ?

IMO the GT2 at least 550hp

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Mar 4, 2007 6:27:09 PM

MarcusRay: Pilot; Loc: Athens; Posts: 341, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 21, 2006; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

I read in a magazine that it's expected to have about 550HP 0-62 3.5sec, top speed around 205+mph...

I'm a huge fan of the GT2 as well but still it's too early to know what both cars will be like...time will tell...

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Mar 4, 2007 7:15:30 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: MarcusRay

Re: GT2 ?

however at IAA 07 we will have all info

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Mar 4, 2007 10:51:01 PM

mawyatt: Co-Pilot; Loc: Florida, Clearwater; Posts: 283, Gallery; Registered on: May 1, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: GT2 ?

Any idea whhat the new GT2 will cost?

Mike

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Mar 5, 2007 6:37:51 AM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: mawyatt

Re: GT2 ?

around Euro 200.000

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Mar 7, 2007 5:57:15 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: GT2 ?

Woo...the 530hp Lambo superleggera looks great!

Hopefully, the GT2 will be faster than that.

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Mar 7, 2007 6:14:28 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

I believe the 430 CS will be F1 while the GT2 more than likely will be manual. If I had to guess based purely on performance, the GT2 will be better. However,if the past is any indication the GT2 resale value will tank whereas the Ferrari will remain at MSRP. I also believe the GT2 will be priced higher.

Don't forget it will look like any other Porsche to the untrained eye with a whale tail on the back.The Ferrari is far better looking and sexier.

Finally, though faster, the GT2 is difficult to manage/drive at speed compared to the CS. British car magazines have dubbed the GT2 "widowmaker".

As far has decision go, this one is relatively easy.

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Mar 7, 2007 6:36:00 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: nberry

Re: GT2 ?

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nberry said:
I believe the 430 CS will be F1 while the GT2 more than likely will be manual. If I had to guess based purely on performance, the GT2 will be better. However,if the past is any indication the GT2 resale value will tank whereas the Ferrari will remain at MSRP. I also believe the GT2 will be priced higher.

Don't forget it will look like any other Porsche to the untrained eye with a whale tail on the back.The Ferrari is far better looking and sexier.

Finally, though faster, the GT2 is difficult to manage/drive at speed compared to the CS. British car magazines have dubbed the GT2 "widowmaker".

As far has decision go, this one is relatively easy.

If you search for pure emotion on your hand you have to choose the GT2,this is the big Beast.f430 light will be very fast but surely not as gt2.the gt2 has a different target for different driver(prof drivers to reach 100% from the car),no PSM.F430 Light will cost around 200k Euro ,gt2 will be around the same price,perhaps a little more

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Mar 7, 2007 6:41:04 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: nberry

Re: GT2 ?

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nberry said:
I believe the 430 CS will be F1 while the GT2 more than likely will be manual. If I had to guess based purely on performance, the GT2 will be better. However,if the past is any indication the GT2 resale value will tank whereas the Ferrari will remain at MSRP. I also believe the GT2 will be priced higher.

Don't forget it will look like any other Porsche to the untrained eye with a whale tail on the back.The Ferrari is far better looking and sexier.

Finally, though faster, the GT2 is difficult to manage/drive at speed compared to the CS. British car magazines have dubbed the GT2 "widowmaker".

As far has decision go, this one is relatively easy.

Decision?

430CS....430CS my brain want a 430CS

And my heart want an all Black GT2.....

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Mar 7, 2007 6:43:37 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: andrea

Re: GT2 ?

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andrea said:
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nberry said:
I believe the 430 CS will be F1 while the GT2 more than likely will be manual. If I had to guess based purely on performance, the GT2 will be better. However,if the past is any indication the GT2 resale value will tank whereas the Ferrari will remain at MSRP. I also believe the GT2 will be priced higher.

Don't forget it will look like any other Porsche to the untrained eye with a whale tail on the back.The Ferrari is far better looking and sexier.

Finally, though faster, the GT2 is difficult to manage/drive at speed compared to the CS. British car magazines have dubbed the GT2 "widowmaker".

As far has decision go, this one is relatively easy.

If you search for pure emotion on your hand you have to choose the GT2,this is the big Beast.f430 light will be very fast but surely not as gt2.the gt2 has a different target for different driver(prof drivers to reach 100% from the car),no PSM.F430 Light will cost around 200k Euro ,gt2 will be around the same price,perhaps a little more

Are sure no PSM for the new GT2?

I have heard TC.

Isn't PSM = TC?

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Mar 7, 2007 6:46:50 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

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997GT3RS said:
Quote:
andrea said:
Quote:
nberry said:
I believe the 430 CS will be F1 while the GT2 more than likely will be manual. If I had to guess based purely on performance, the GT2 will be better. However,if the past is any indication the GT2 resale value will tank whereas the Ferrari will remain at MSRP. I also believe the GT2 will be priced higher.

Don't forget it will look like any other Porsche to the untrained eye with a whale tail on the back.The Ferrari is far better looking and sexier.

Finally, though faster, the GT2 is difficult to manage/drive at speed compared to the CS. British car magazines have dubbed the GT2 "widowmaker".

As far has decision go, this one is relatively easy.

If you search for pure emotion on your hand you have to choose the GT2,this is the big Beast.f430 light will be very fast but surely not as gt2.the gt2 has a different target for different driver(prof drivers to reach 100% from the car),no PSM.F430 Light will cost around 200k Euro ,gt2 will be around the same price,perhaps a little more

Are sure no PSM for the new GT2?

I have heard TC.

Isn't PSM = TC?

Porsche Stability Management - Traction Control

One saves your butt, the other saves your tyres

.

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Mar 7, 2007 6:52:15 PM

andrea: Rennteam Master; Loc: Italy, Pordenone , Italy; Posts: 3569, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 24, 2003; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

Quote:
997GT3RS said:
Quote:
nberry said:
I believe the 430 CS will be F1 while the GT2 more than likely will be manual. If I had to guess based purely on performance, the GT2 will be better. However,if the past is any indication the GT2 resale value will tank whereas the Ferrari will remain at MSRP. I also believe the GT2 will be priced higher.

Don't forget it will look like any other Porsche to the untrained eye with a whale tail on the back.The Ferrari is far better looking and sexier.

Finally, though faster, the GT2 is difficult to manage/drive at speed compared to the CS. British car magazines have dubbed the GT2 "widowmaker".

As far has decision go, this one is relatively easy.

Decision?

430CS....430CS my brain want a 430CS

And my heart want an all Black GT2.....

When you buy a car usually you feel the heart.so GT2

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Mar 7, 2007 6:52:57 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Crash

Re: GT2 ?

Thanks...

I think the TC would help the GT2 to improve lap time!

Cool...saves your tyres just like the TC in F1.

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Mar 7, 2007 6:55:26 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

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997GT3RS said:
Quote:
nberry said:
I believe the 430 CS will be F1 while the GT2 more than likely will be manual. If I had to guess based purely on performance, the GT2 will be better. However,if the past is any indication the GT2 resale value will tank whereas the Ferrari will remain at MSRP. I also believe the GT2 will be priced higher.

Don't forget it will look like any other Porsche to the untrained eye with a whale tail on the back.The Ferrari is far better looking and sexier.

Finally, though faster, the GT2 is difficult to manage/drive at speed compared to the CS. British car magazines have dubbed the GT2 "widowmaker".

As far has decision go, this one is relatively easy.

Decision?

430CS....430CS my brain want a 430CS

And my heart want an all Black GT2.....

If money isn't an issue (possible huge depreciation on the GT2), you are a very accomplished driver (read professional)and performance is all that matters, then buy the GT2.

On the other hand, if you want pure driving enjoyment whether on a street or track which holds value get the 430CS.

BTW, there is a big difference between PSM and traction control especially concerning safety. So much so that Electronic Stability Management Devices may be required on all cars built or shipped to the US in the near future.

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Mar 7, 2007 7:08:38 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: nberry

Re: GT2 ?

Thanks for the comments...

Can't wait until Sep, I want to know the specs of both cars!

Right now, I love the GT2 more than the CS.

By the way, how does the PSM and TC works?

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Mar 7, 2007 7:14:16 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

I believe Gt2 will be better than the 430 Light pista.
The feeling in the Ferrari would be perfect like racing car all carbon with 599's F1 and maybe suspension,for sure it will have better sound But Gt2 Pdk or not will be the pure Hardcore car. Also in Greek roads which are not so good I prefer the Gt2 than the light pista.
On the other hand the light pista is much more beautiful..

From my information the GT2 will be Manual only with TC and 530hp. The same idea with the 996 Gt2. Both cars will come out together. Probably very end of 2007

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Mar 7, 2007 7:20:54 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Nick_Athens

Re: GT2 ?

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Nick_Athens said:
I believe Gt2 will be better than the 430 Light pista.
The feeling in the Ferrari would be perfect like racing car all carbon with 599's F1 and maybe suspension,for sure it will have better sound But Gt2 Pdk or not will be the pure Hardcore car. Also in Greek roads which are not so good I prefer the Gt2 than the light pista.
On the other hand the light pista is much more beautiful..

Sure, Ferrari's are beautiful.

But only the F40 is timeless like the 911 IMO.

All other Ferrari looks old/outdated once the new one came out. But anyway, it will hold the value pretty well.

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Mar 7, 2007 7:35:47 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

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997GT3RS said:
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Nick_Athens said:
I believe Gt2 will be better than the 430 Light pista.
The feeling in the Ferrari would be perfect like racing car all carbon with 599's F1 and maybe suspension,for sure it will have better sound But Gt2 Pdk or not will be the pure Hardcore car. Also in Greek roads which are not so good I prefer the Gt2 than the light pista.
On the other hand the light pista is much more beautiful..

Sure, Ferrari's are beautiful.

But only the F40 is timeless like the 911 IMO.

All other Ferrari looks old/outdated once the new one came out. But anyway, it will hold the value pretty well.

Are you sure about that? testarossa, BB, Daytona, 250GT/L, LM, GTO etc. etc. These are true milestones in car design. Germany (i.e. Porsche) has only one comparable success: the 911. And the 911 has not changed a lot for over 40 years...

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Mar 7, 2007 7:41:14 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: GT2 ?

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MKSGR said:
Quote:
997GT3RS said:
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Nick_Athens said:
I believe Gt2 will be better than the 430 Light pista.
The feeling in the Ferrari would be perfect like racing car all carbon with 599's F1 and maybe suspension,for sure it will have better sound But Gt2 Pdk or not will be the pure Hardcore car. Also in Greek roads which are not so good I prefer the Gt2 than the light pista.
On the other hand the light pista is much more beautiful..

Sure, Ferrari's are beautiful.

But only the F40 is timeless like the 911 IMO.

All other Ferrari looks old/outdated once the new one came out. But anyway, it will hold the value pretty well.

Are you sure about that? testarossa, BB, Daytona, 250GT/L, LM, GTO etc. etc. These are true milestones in car design. Germany (i.e. Porsche) has only one comparable success: the 911. And the 911 has not changed a lot for over 40 years...

This is an other issue where you are right. When the F430 succesor will be out it will be a TOTALY different car in appearance.. F430 Light pista will be too much "Modena" like my F430. So It will become really old in appearance very soon..
On the other hand the new 998 will be about the same (If we see history) The main problem though is that the new 998 will be PDK for sure...
F430 light pista will have already a very very good gearbox..

997 Gt2 on the other hand NO...

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Mar 8, 2007 12:54:27 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: GT2 ?

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MKSGR said:
Quote:
997GT3RS said:
Quote:
Nick_Athens said:
I believe Gt2 will be better than the 430 Light pista.
The feeling in the Ferrari would be perfect like racing car all carbon with 599's F1 and maybe suspension,for sure it will have better sound But Gt2 Pdk or not will be the pure Hardcore car. Also in Greek roads which are not so good I prefer the Gt2 than the light pista.
On the other hand the light pista is much more beautiful..

Sure, Ferrari's are beautiful.

But only the F40 is timeless like the 911 IMO.

All other Ferrari looks old/outdated once the new one came out. But anyway, it will hold the value pretty well.

Are you sure about that? testarossa, BB, Daytona, 250GT/L, LM, GTO etc. etc. These are true milestones in car design. Germany (i.e. Porsche) has only one comparable success: the 911. And the 911 has not changed a lot for over 40 years...

All those cars above are nice but old and you know it is outdated and Ferrari won't use those design anymore. If Ferrari turn out something like a upgraded version F40, I am more than happy to own one. Just like the GT2, 993,996 and 997 keep going on.

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Mar 8, 2007 1:03:05 PM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Nick_Athens

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Nick_Athens said:

This is an other issue where you are right. When the F430 succesor will be out it will be a TOTALY different car in appearance.. F430 Light pista will be too much "Modena" like my F430. So It will become really old in appearance very soon..
On the other hand the new 998 will be about the same (If we see history) The main problem though is that the new 998 will be PDK for sure...
F430 light pista will have already a very very good gearbox.. 997 Gt2 on the other hand NO...

That's the point, if I brought the GT2 than I am going transfer my deposit to the F430 successor.

Lucky, I just want a manuel gear box for my GT2. If there is PDK, I still want the manuel. And I will keep it for a long time.

Nowadays, most high performance cars are designed to use F1, PDK, DSG etc. Just like Ferrari, I won't buy a F car with manual. To me GT2 is another story.

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Mar 8, 2007 1:28:58 PM

racerx: Rennteam VIP; Loc: 1985 porsche dealership , Bouvet Island; Posts: 8751, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 27, 2004; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: GT2 ?

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MKSGR said:
Quote:
997GT3RS said:
Quote:
Nick_Athens said:
I believe Gt2 will be better than the 430 Light pista.
The feeling in the Ferrari would be perfect like racing car all carbon with 599's F1 and maybe suspension,for sure it will have better sound But Gt2 Pdk or not will be the pure Hardcore car. Also in Greek roads which are not so good I prefer the Gt2 than the light pista.
On the other hand the light pista is much more beautiful..

Sure, Ferrari's are beautiful.

But only the F40 is timeless like the 911 IMO.

All other Ferrari looks old/outdated once the new one came out. But anyway, it will hold the value pretty well.

Are you sure about that? testarossa, BB, Daytona, 250GT/L, LM, GTO etc. etc. These are true milestones in car design. Germany (i.e. Porsche) has only one comparable success: the 911. And the 911 has not changed a lot for over 40 years...

interesting discussion but need to mention, 928 is timeless and was more of a design statement.

hopefully porsche will add a soundtrack to the gt2

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Mar 8, 2007 10:26:51 PM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: racerx

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Hopefully porsche will redeem themselves and the GT marque with the GT2, but probably not.

Power has been endlessly speculated upon, most reputable sources put it around 530 no higher... Don't expect too much.

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Mar 9, 2007 6:13:51 AM

997GT3RS: Senior; Loc: Germany; Posts: 637, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 4, 2006; Reply to: Moogle

Re: GT2 ?

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Moogle said:
Hopefully porsche will redeem themselves and the GT marque with the GT2, but probably not.

Power has been endlessly speculated upon, most reputable sources put it around 530 no higher... Don't expect too much.

Let's hope for the best.

I don't think there are any reputable sources.

Everyone are just guessing.

IMO, the CGT is not in the production line now and the competitors are having massive hp. So I think Porsche will boost up the hp in the new flagship GT2, just like what they did to the CGT vs Enzo. The GT2 competitors are F599 and LP640. Both are 600hp + monsters.

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Mar 9, 2007 10:01:44 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

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997GT3RS said:
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Moogle said:
Hopefully porsche will redeem themselves and the GT marque with the GT2, but probably not.

Power has been endlessly speculated upon, most reputable sources put it around 530 no higher... Don't expect too much.

IMO, the CGT is not in the production line now and the competitors are having massive hp. So I think Porsche will boost up the hp in the new flagship GT2, just like what they did to the CGT vs Enzo. The GT2 competitors are F599 and LP640. Both are 600hp + monsters.

Unfortunately, your view is in contrast to Porsche's step-by-step strategy of recent years. The chances that the 997GT2 will get more than 53x hp are less than 1 in a 1000

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Mar 9, 2007 10:16:54 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: 997GT3RS

Re: GT2 ?

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997GT3RS said:
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Moogle said:
Hopefully porsche will redeem themselves and the GT marque with the GT2, but probably not.

Power has been endlessly speculated upon, most reputable sources put it around 530 no higher... Don't expect too much.

Let's hope for the best.

I don't think there are any reputable sources.

Everyone are just guessing.

IMO, the CGT is not in the production line now and the competitors are having massive hp. So I think Porsche will boost up the hp in the new flagship GT2, just like what they did to the CGT vs Enzo. The GT2 competitors are F599 and LP640. Both are 600hp + monsters.

more HP means more weight for stronger parts, stronger breaks, ...
Porsche is going a different way, buy trying to keep the weight, thus you don't need so much more HP to be fast on tracks. Straight forward performance is a different story. Here in Europe we care more about track performance then straight forward performance.

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