Aug 9, 2017 7:04:41 PM
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... - btw, did you trade in your GT4 at the dealer ?Re: 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS
Whoopsy:throt:Welcome ""The 911 Butch Owners Club"" , buddy
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Your one of us now
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Does he have hair?
After over a decade with Rennteam, I am surprised I still have some... 
With twins, his hair (if there is any left), will be gone soon anyway. 
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BiTurbo:Congrats!
But why a 4 ? Daily use ? must be a pussycat next to the GT4
If there is one country you need AWD, it is Switzerland. The 911 doesn't really suffer from traction issues but it helps.
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RC: If there is one country you need AWD, it is Switzerland.
Parts of Canada and US get plenty of snow too (we get snow in Denver, but it usually melts away fast unless in mountains west of town). Like Quebec and Western New York state for example...
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Grant:RC: If there is one country you need AWD, it is Switzerland.Parts of Canada and US get plenty of snow too (we get snow in Denver, but it usually melts away fast unless in mountains west of town). Like Quebec and Western New York state for example...
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Switzerland has lots of smaller roads which can be tricky to drive without AWD, especially if they go up...
I didn't say that Switzerland is the only country with snow, ice and cold weather in winter time. Bavaria sucks as well during that period of time, especially close to the Alps. Of course...Canada...USA mountain regions...no doubt.
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In Switzerland if you go regularly to the mountain during the winter , it makes perfect sense to have an AWD . I manage fine with my RWD since 9 years every winter , but I stay mostly in the plain . Compared to my former 4S , I have to be much more careful and drive much slower with my 2S . And with today's 991 AWD system not being felt behind the steering wheel , it ' s a no brainer .
As the car is silver , it is ok . White would of had to be in RWD
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Gnil:In Switzerland if you go regularly to the mountain during the winter , it makes perfect sense to have an AWD . I manage fine with my RWD since 9 years every winter , but I stay mostly in the plain . Compared to my former 4S , I have to be much more careful and drive much slower with my 2S . And with today's 991 AWD system not being felt behind the steering wheel , it ' s a no brainer .
As the car is silver , it is ok . White would of had to be in RWD
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AWD definitely makes your life easier in winter time. 
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IMHO the additional traction and improved steering feel in the 991 all-wheel drive cars does make it a no brainer. It is quicker than the rear wheel drive GTS, but that was not a reason.
Our place in the alps is at the end of a steep hill. I would not dare going up there without all-wheel drive.
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Aug 10, 2017 7:36:54 PM
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Many congratulations bluelines - a great choice! I had a 991/2 Carrera S as a loner when our Boxster was having its 2 year service and was hugely impressed. Only SWMBO with her sensible head on stopped me signing on the dotted line there and then. Definitely gave me the Rennteam Itch - and it hasn't gone away either!
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Aug 11, 2017 8:17:31 AM
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DaveGordon:Come on - I spent years going to ski resorts most weekends in 2wd cars. With decent winter rubber the number of journeys 4wd was necessary I could count on one hand.
Yes, indeed but when it happens...
We once went to Ischgl (Austria) and rented a small chalet outside the main resort area. I had a 996 C2 at that time. Little did I know that the chalet was at the top of a steep hill and of course, since it wasn't the main resort area in Ischgl, they didn't clean up the snow there. I had to leave the car at the bottom of that hill over night because it was basically impossible to go up (yes, I had winter tires but no snow chains with me). I always made it to half of it and the car got stuck (no, snow was not high, ground clearance was OK but traction just wasn't good enough). I lost 2 kg that holiday because we also had to carry the luggage up and down that hill (around 400 meters or so... 
) and of course our skiing equipment. The rental company said they mentioned that hill in the description but they actually only mentioned that the chalet is on a "beautiful hill", not that you need a Mercedes G class with chains to be able to climb up that hill. 
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RC:DaveGordon:Come on - I spent years going to ski resorts most weekends in 2wd cars. With decent winter rubber the number of journeys 4wd was necessary I could count on one hand.
Yes, indeed but when it happens...
We once went to Ischgl (Austria) and rented a small chalet outside the main resort area. I had a 996 C2 at that time. Little did I know that the chalet was at the top of a steep hill and of course, since it wasn't the main resort area in Ischgl, they didn't clean up the snow there. I had to leave the car at the bottom of that hill over night because it was basically impossible to go up (yes, I had winter tires but no snow chains with me). I always made it to half of it and the car got stuck (no, snow was not high, ground clearance was OK but traction just wasn't good enough). I lost 2 kg that holiday because we also had to carry the luggage up and down that hill (around 400 meters or so...
and how far would you have gotten with an AWD 911? 50 meters more up:::))))
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pmarkow:RC:DaveGordon:Come on - I spent years going to ski resorts most weekends in 2wd cars. With decent winter rubber the number of journeys 4wd was necessary I could count on one hand.
Yes, indeed but when it happens...
We once went to Ischgl (Austria) and rented a small chalet outside the main resort area. I had a 996 C2 at that time. Little did I know that the chalet was at the top of a steep hill and of course, since it wasn't the main resort area in Ischgl, they didn't clean up the snow there. I had to leave the car at the bottom of that hill over night because it was basically impossible to go up (yes, I had winter tires but no snow chains with me). I always made it to half of it and the car got stuck (no, snow was not high, ground clearance was OK but traction just wasn't good enough). I lost 2 kg that holiday because we also had to carry the luggage up and down that hill (around 400 meters or so...
and how far would you have gotten with an AWD 911? 50 meters more up:::))))
Actually, all the way up. I was there again the second year, in my 996 C4 Powerkit. No problem (other than when I went downwards that hill, pretty slippery but luckily there was around 500 meters of road ahead (after the hill) but before the main road with lots of traffic came, so I was able to slow down the car. We didn't go there anymore because of that...and because the price went up by 30% or so the third year, they did some renovation.
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RC:DaveGordon:Come on - I spent years going to ski resorts most weekends in 2wd cars. With decent winter rubber the number of journeys 4wd was necessary I could count on one hand.
Yes, indeed but when it happens...
We once went to Ischgl (Austria) and rented a small chalet outside the main resort area. I had a 996 C2 at that time. Little did I know that the chalet was at the top of a steep hill and of course, since it wasn't the main resort area in Ischgl, they didn't clean up the snow there. I had to leave the car at the bottom of that hill over night because it was basically impossible to go up (yes, I had winter tires but no snow chains with me). I always made it to half of it and the car got stuck (no, snow was not high, ground clearance was OK but traction just wasn't good enough). I lost 2 kg that holiday because we also had to carry the luggage up and down that hill (around 400 meters or so...
That is pretty much the situation we are in. Off the main roads, steep and snow not cleaned up.
Then again, it does not have to be in the mountains. A few years back I did not make it up the hill to our home in the winter even if I had good winter tires on the 997.2 S. It is not a nice feeling when the car comes to a halt and starts sliding backwards on a narrow road with stone walls on each side. Luckily I pressed the clutch to get the wheels rolling and could somewhat controlled steer while rolling down backwards. Had to walk up and get the car the next day.
All-wheel drive is a bit like the front axle lift. Mostly you don't need it, but when you need it, then you really need it 
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Oh, and you too Per! :-DRe: 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS
throt:
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That kinda looks like me too
Nothing worse than a over bushy pussy is there
, gives me itchy eyes.
Hahaa and there I was, searching on he interwebs for pictures of "Sphynx cat with chest hair"... Guess the IT department will have some raised eyebrows over my company internet history :-)
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Joost:throt:
That kinda looks like me too
Nothing worse than a over bushy pussy is there
...and loading pages with "hairy chest advisor"
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