Feb 16, 2007 9:59:49 AM
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Re: 997 facelift could look like this
The front of the proposed change looks like an improvement. The back well, not so sure yet. The most significant improvements will come from inside the engine compartment. What really puzzles me is: the 997TT and the 997 GT3 just came out as new models less that 1 year ago. Why would Porsche even touch those models so soon? They should wait at least 1 more year. 
Not going to stop me, the body change is minor, (the LED's are a nice touch) the front of the TT will not be touched, but direct injection is the big plus here but rumor has it that this will not happen untill the 2009 model year for these cars (which makes more sense) unless Porsche could care less about its customers that purchased 2007 TT's and GT3's. My guess is that the cab, X51, amd PDK will make there mark first in 2008 (this Sept), followed by the body and engine changes in 2009 (next Sept). No one really knows except the insiders at Porsche.
Not going to stop me, the body change is minor, (the LED's are a nice touch) the front of the TT will not be touched, but direct injection is the big plus here but rumor has it that this will not happen untill the 2009 model year for these cars (which makes more sense) unless Porsche could care less about its customers that purchased 2007 TT's and GT3's. My guess is that the cab, X51, amd PDK will make there mark first in 2008 (this Sept), followed by the body and engine changes in 2009 (next Sept). No one really knows except the insiders at Porsche.
Re: 997 facelift could look like this
I wish Porsche would fire the designer that keeps doing the front end of the 911. He can't seem to do anything different. The second update of the 996 (the camel front) is just horrible and it seems the same guy is making the same mistake with the 997.
Feb 16, 2007 4:13:00 PM
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Re: 997 facelift could look like this
I just loooove how they added complexity to tail lights, fluting and lines and that sideways "D" shape to clutter-up (and "De-unify!") the rear end and call _even_ _more_ attention to the already useless and busy "Y" tips. (try to ignore the bumperettes in comp). What a joke: I thought "less is more" was a Porsche golden rule. Make sure you order in a dark color to hide their mistakes.
Feb 16, 2007 5:04:50 PM
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Re: 997 facelift could look like this
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edz61 said:
I would be only insterested if there is a significant performance difference. It may have another 30 horse or so but if the numbers are close in terms of 0-60 and 1/4 mile, then what would be the point
Point is to attract more buyers to the latest trendy look in car fashion design.
Reason for frequent facelifts: The middle class wants their new Chevy to look differently from last year's model so when they park it in the driveway the neighbors all know they bought (financed) a ___new___ car.
Porsche "screwed up" by introducing those trendy-looking taillights, now they're trying to correct it by changing them ASAP because they look dated as far as fashion design for cars is concerned.
All this stuff is going on at Porsche. Trying to create a buzz to sell even more cars.
POSSIBLE FALLACY: GM and Honda sell huge numbers of cars for every one Porsche sells. Porsche is using marketing strategies that only work with huge production runs.
What they wind up with, IMO, is TWO versions of the 997 which look f'ed up.
Looking back in five or ten years you'll see it even more clearly, if you don't see it now. The 911 might be losing it's "classic" look because of trendiness in it's styling.
Feb 16, 2007 5:51:47 PM
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Re: 997 facelift could look like this
I don't like it.
It's less classic and less masculine.
The current one it's better.
Porsche please change your mind fast.
What I hate most: the rear lights.
What it's hard to swallow: the front head lights.
What I like: the front bumper with the integrated smaller fog lights.
What leaves me indifferent: the new area that surrounds the exhausts (the new air diffuser).
It's less classic and less masculine.
The current one it's better.
Porsche please change your mind fast.
What I hate most: the rear lights.
What it's hard to swallow: the front head lights.
What I like: the front bumper with the integrated smaller fog lights.
What leaves me indifferent: the new area that surrounds the exhausts (the new air diffuser).
Re: 997 facelift could look like this
The rear diffuser I can live with, the rest of the changes . . . well, let's just say I'm glad I bought when I did. It'll take 40 more horses for me to begin to overlook the "facelift". Like most things new, it'll probably grow on me in a year or two . . . maybe it'll look better in the metal.
Re: 997 facelift could look like this
I like the front because it is thiner, longer and a bit in the Cayman/Boxster style. I don't like the rear lights and prefer the current shape.
I wonder if the facelift will be longer and wider?
I wonder if the CxS will have more than 400 ponies, bringing it at the level of tne new M3?
I wonder what impact will X51 have on the new CxS?
I wonder if the facelift will be longer and wider?
I wonder if the CxS will have more than 400 ponies, bringing it at the level of tne new M3?
I wonder what impact will X51 have on the new CxS?
Feb 17, 2007 12:15:24 AM
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Re: 997 facelift could look like this
More like 10 HP more and 6-10% better mileage with less emissions. Driveability will be improved and of course the aftermarket chip tuners will have to start all over again 
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This makes the most sense. Think about it - if you had the choice of adding just 25 horses and no economy vs. 10 horses and better economy it would be a no brainer. Porsche has to keep headroom for the future (and X51 revenue). A policy of slight HP increases while improving mileage and emissions is a plan for long term success.
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This makes the most sense. Think about it - if you had the choice of adding just 25 horses and no economy vs. 10 horses and better economy it would be a no brainer. Porsche has to keep headroom for the future (and X51 revenue). A policy of slight HP increases while improving mileage and emissions is a plan for long term success.
Feb 17, 2007 12:21:22 AM
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Re: 997 facelift could look like this
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my guess is 20-25HP as well
WOW, that's alot. Hummmm..., I was thinking 6 or 8hp.
Now I gotta spend fifteen minutes to rethink everything . (just joking)
IOW, it sounds like they reeeeally want to sell these new facelifted cars.
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