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Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
I have the carbon package, a carbon fiber rear center console, carbon fiber door entry guards and a carbon fiber air filter housing that comes with the X51 kit.
I didn't buy these carbon fiber items to save weight (I did however buy PCCB's to save 37 pounds of unsprung rotating weight) but purely for the aesthetics as I think Porsche offers some of the nicest looking carbon fiber I have ever seen.
The fact that their carbon fiber has such a high gloss and deep sheen tells me they weren't trying to keep the weight down but instead produce carbon fiber that is attractive and pleasing to the eye. I doubt there is any weight savings over the plastic parts the carbon fiber replaces and I wouldn't be surprised if the carbon fiber was even a little heavier.
I don't think the cup holder logo could be easily removed as it is under the multiple clear coats that adds the eye candy shine and weight.
I didn't buy these carbon fiber items to save weight (I did however buy PCCB's to save 37 pounds of unsprung rotating weight) but purely for the aesthetics as I think Porsche offers some of the nicest looking carbon fiber I have ever seen.
The fact that their carbon fiber has such a high gloss and deep sheen tells me they weren't trying to keep the weight down but instead produce carbon fiber that is attractive and pleasing to the eye. I doubt there is any weight savings over the plastic parts the carbon fiber replaces and I wouldn't be surprised if the carbon fiber was even a little heavier.
I don't think the cup holder logo could be easily removed as it is under the multiple clear coats that adds the eye candy shine and weight.
Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
Excuse my pedantry here guys, but the stuff we're talking about here is CFRP - i.e. by definition it is partly plastic. Carbon fibre outside of a composite (i.e. not set in epoxy or polyester resin), remains cloth-like and is a kind of textile.
Are the carbon trims real carbon? Well if the question is are they CFRP, then the answer is yes.
Are the carbon trims just plastic? Answer is also yes - they are plastic which contains carbon fibre
Gaz
Are the carbon trims real carbon? Well if the question is are they CFRP, then the answer is yes.
Are the carbon trims just plastic? Answer is also yes - they are plastic which contains carbon fibre
Gaz
Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
I thought the carbon was encapsulated in an acrylic resin (not epoxy and especially not polyester).
Anyway, I think "carbon" looks really really good.
I would have gotten it but the cost was ridiculous for what it does (I got better ways to blow the money). At half the price it would have been hard to refuse.
Anyway, I think "carbon" looks really really good.
I would have gotten it but the cost was ridiculous for what it does (I got better ways to blow the money). At half the price it would have been hard to refuse.
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Excuse my pedantry here guys, but the stuff we're talking about here is CFRP - i.e. by definition it is partly plastic. Carbon fibre outside of a composite (i.e. not set in epoxy or polyester resin), remains cloth-like and is a kind of textile.
Are the carbon trims real carbon? Well if the question is are they CFRP, then the answer is yes.
Are the carbon trims just plastic? Answer is also yes - they are plastic which contains carbon fibre
Gaz
Thanks for the infos..
Seriously, the price of those little parts are expensive and worthless. I just love to drive and those things are useless ( although i go with full leather
). If it is made of all carbon then that's fine. Thin carbon sticked on plastic? I am not going to pay for that! It is even haeavier than the standard parts!!
Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
The thing about carbon interior is you choose it because you like the look obviously waaaaay better (because it costs alot) than the standard aluminum trim pieces.
I think the interior is too bizzy and like the darker carbon to get rid ot those alumimum highlights. The alumimum trim pieces attract alot of attention yet they are nearly insignificant.
The nice thing about carbon is it represents the latest high tech advancement in engineering a race car.
It's nice to have touches of the fascinating composite material surrounding you in the interior, right? For the same human reason as having a disk brake as a clock, or a piston on your desktop. May not be totally functional but is a pleasure to be live with or be surrounded by.
Beside being a darker alternative to annoying aluminum trim, I think the carbon package is great because it represents the innovative material's amazing physical properties and Porsche made it look beautiful.
Pi**es me off that they charge an absurd amount of money for it though. E.g. I'm not paying us$1000 for a clock made from a disk brake rotor.
I think the interior is too bizzy and like the darker carbon to get rid ot those alumimum highlights. The alumimum trim pieces attract alot of attention yet they are nearly insignificant.
The nice thing about carbon is it represents the latest high tech advancement in engineering a race car.
It's nice to have touches of the fascinating composite material surrounding you in the interior, right? For the same human reason as having a disk brake as a clock, or a piston on your desktop. May not be totally functional but is a pleasure to be live with or be surrounded by.
Beside being a darker alternative to annoying aluminum trim, I think the carbon package is great because it represents the innovative material's amazing physical properties and Porsche made it look beautiful.
Pi**es me off that they charge an absurd amount of money for it though. E.g. I'm not paying us$1000 for a clock made from a disk brake rotor.
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I thought the carbon was encapsulated in an acrylic resin (not epoxy and especially not polyester).
Could be. I guess they use whatever looks best for trim instead of what may function best as a structural material. It's still plastic however, and I suspect it scuffs and deteriorates in the same way as any fibreglass-type material does.
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MMD said:
I thought the carbon was encapsulated in an acrylic resin (not epoxy and especially not polyester).
Could be. I guess they use whatever looks best for trim instead of what may function best as a structural material. It's still plastic however, and I suspect it scuffs and deteriorates in the same way as any fibreglass-type material does.
I woulds suspect though, as it scuffs, it probably doesn't look as bad as when the "aluminum look" plastic starts to scuff and deteriorate.
Feb 13, 2007 2:38:50 PM
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Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
Sometimes, the automotive aftermarket "ruins" things for me that could otherwise possibly be "trick" or attractive.
Carbon fiber trim is such a victim..
Whether it's real, or plastic, or some unholy mutation between the two, it screams "Grampa Jones got whacky with the J.C. Whitney catalog" to me...
Furthermore, I find it extremely busy and mesmerizing.
No matter how artfully crafted and "real" the CF trim options are on the Porsche, I can't shake the parallel between that and a Camaro interior with a clip-on CF-look steering wheel-cover, and self-adhesive plastic CF-look trim panels slapped willy-nilly, deftly contrasting against the empty Bud cans littering the floor, aptly protecting the console from a thick layer of cigarette ashes, and dimly reflecting the soft glow of neon eminating from beneath the car.
While the aluminum-look trim is just more plastic itself, at least it's crisp, clean and uncluttered with pattern.
But that's the beauty of Porsche, they give you infinite options in the interior (at a lofty cost?
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Carbon fiber trim is such a victim..
Whether it's real, or plastic, or some unholy mutation between the two, it screams "Grampa Jones got whacky with the J.C. Whitney catalog" to me...
Furthermore, I find it extremely busy and mesmerizing.
No matter how artfully crafted and "real" the CF trim options are on the Porsche, I can't shake the parallel between that and a Camaro interior with a clip-on CF-look steering wheel-cover, and self-adhesive plastic CF-look trim panels slapped willy-nilly, deftly contrasting against the empty Bud cans littering the floor, aptly protecting the console from a thick layer of cigarette ashes, and dimly reflecting the soft glow of neon eminating from beneath the car.
While the aluminum-look trim is just more plastic itself, at least it's crisp, clean and uncluttered with pattern.
But that's the beauty of Porsche, they give you infinite options in the interior (at a lofty cost?
)
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Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
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Sometimes, the automotive aftermarket "ruins" things for me that could otherwise possibly be "trick" or attractive.
Carbon fiber trim is such a victim..
Whether it's real, or plastic, or some unholy mutation between the two, it screams "Grampa Jones got whacky with the J.C. Whitney catalog" to me...
Furthermore, I find it extremely busy and mesmerizing.
No matter how artfully crafted and "real" the CF trim options are on the Porsche, I can't shake the parallel between that and a Camaro interior with a clip-on CF-look steering wheel-cover, and self-adhesive plastic CF-look trim panels slapped willy-nilly, deftly contrasting against the empty Bud cans littering the floor, aptly protecting the console from a thick layer of cigarette ashes, and dimly reflecting the soft glow of neon eminating from beneath the car.
While the aluminum-look trim is just more plastic itself, at least it's crisp, clean and uncluttered with pattern.
But that's the beauty of Porsche, they give you infinite options in the interior (at a lofty cost?
I have to agree. JC Whitney.
Dan
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69bossnine said:
Sometimes, the automotive aftermarket "ruins" things for me that could otherwise possibly be "trick" or attractive.
Carbon fiber trim is such a victim..
Whether it's real, or plastic, or some unholy mutation between the two, it screams "Grampa Jones got whacky with the J.C. Whitney catalog" to me...
Furthermore, I find it extremely busy and mesmerizing.
No matter how artfully crafted and "real" the CF trim options are on the Porsche, I can't shake the parallel between that and a Camaro interior with a clip-on CF-look steering wheel-cover, and self-adhesive plastic CF-look trim panels slapped willy-nilly, deftly contrasting against the empty Bud cans littering the floor, aptly protecting the console from a thick layer of cigarette ashes, and dimly reflecting the soft glow of neon eminating from beneath the car.
While the aluminum-look trim is just more plastic itself, at least it's crisp, clean and uncluttered with pattern.
But that's the beauty of Porsche, they give you infinite options in the interior (at a lofty cost?
I have to agree. JC Whitney.
Dan
That's how I feel about wood interior items.
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Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
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MMD, I'm surprised that those CF pictures wind your watch, as it introduces more clutter, less harmony or uniformity. Very un-traditional-MMD....
I dunno. I'm lookin' at my as-plain-as-I-could-make-it current car and finding it a bit boring! No kidding. Could be a late-winter hormonal or neurochemical imbalance or something. Lookin' to my next P-car ( a TT) and wondering if I could jazz it up a bit without regretting either too much clutter or too boring later on... . Terrible dilemma I know.
I like reading (total amateur) about high tech materals like carbon fiber, kevlar, spectra, exotic metal alloys, etc. . Might be nice to have some of that stuff, albeit totally beautified, in the interior.
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Re: Interior Carbon Package ?
The majority of all the Porsche carbon is layered over plastic, NOT fabricated from Kevlar.
Trust me.
We make the carbon pieces as well, and it's a bitch to do them right. But once done, they are absolute pieces of art. My entire office is decorated with them.
Trust me.
We make the carbon pieces as well, and it's a bitch to do them right. But once done, they are absolute pieces of art. My entire office is decorated with them.
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