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    Dec 19, 2006 8:39:54 PM

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    Cargraphic Exhaust Installation

    I just received my Cargraphic Export Loud Exhaust Pipes today. Can anyone tell me what all is involved in changing out the exhausts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, used to working on cars and bikes, so this doesn't look very difficult. I just don't need to learn the hard way if there are any tricks or surprises involved in changing out these exhaust pipes.

    Dec 19, 2006 9:35:48 PM

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    Re: Cargraphic Exhaust Installation

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    I just received my Cargraphic Export Loud Exhaust Pipes today. Can anyone tell me what all is involved in changing out the exhausts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, used to working on cars and bikes, so this doesn't look very difficult. I just don't need to learn the hard way if there are any tricks or surprises involved in changing out these exhaust pipes.



    From what I recall you will perhaps have to take off the rear bumper. Other thamn that, it's a simple job, same as on the 996TT.

    Dec 20, 2006 7:57:49 AM

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    Re: Cargraphic Exhaust Installation

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    I just received my Cargraphic Export Loud Exhaust Pipes today. Can anyone tell me what all is involved in changing out the exhausts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, used to working on cars and bikes, so this doesn't look very difficult. I just don't need to learn the hard way if there are any tricks or surprises involved in changing out these exhaust pipes.



    I can tell you that I had mine installed by the cargraphic dealer and he had to remove the rear bumper and the wheels. It took 4 hours to complete the installation. It was too much for me to do, so I let him do it.

    Dec 20, 2006 12:54:52 PM

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    My AWE unit is coming in today. I am hoping to have enough time to install mine this weekend. I plan to do a photo essay for other DIY'ers

    Dec 20, 2006 3:51:09 PM

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    What made you decide to go with the AWE system? I have heard good things about the company from the guys at SharkWerks.

    Dec 20, 2006 5:21:32 PM

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    Careful guy's. I just read on another site an owner of a 997TT took his car in for a oil leak and Porsche service told him that since he has after market exhaust, they would not repair the car under warranty.

    Dec 20, 2006 6:17:21 PM

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    in Europe your warrenty should not be void if you fit an aftermarket. The EU law states that if the equipment is of similiar or better quality than the OEM than there is no case to void your warrenty. That doesn't mean they won't try but at least there is some legislation in place to protect you.

    Dec 20, 2006 6:29:16 PM

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    In that post he ended up going to another dealer with no issues.

    Dec 20, 2006 8:42:56 PM

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    FWIW, the Mognuson-Moss Act states that an automaker in the US can't deny warranty coverage due to use of an aftermarket consumable part like a muffler, unless they prove the part caused the failure. I believe Ford tried to compel customers to use motorcraft parts or lose warranty coverage, they lost. Thanks EMG55

    Dec 20, 2006 8:50:21 PM

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    FWIW, the Mognuson-Moss Act states that an automaker in the US can't deny warranty coverage due to use of an aftermarket consumable part like a muffler, unless they prove the part caused the failure. I believe Ford tried to compel customers to use motorcraft parts or lose warranty coverage, they lost. Thanks EMG55



    You're welcome

    Dec 20, 2006 9:39:44 PM

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    Re: Cargraphic Exhaust Installation

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    in Europe your warrenty should not be void if you fit an aftermarket. The EU law states that if the equipment is of similiar or better quality than the OEM than there is no case to void your warrenty. That doesn't mean they won't try but at least there is some legislation in place to protect you.



    I'm afraid this isn't quite right. Porsche usually refuses warranty repairs and then you have to sue them. Good luck.

    Dec 20, 2006 9:46:02 PM

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    Re: Cargraphic Exhaust Installation

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    I just received my Cargraphic Export Loud Exhaust Pipes today. Can anyone tell me what all is involved in changing out the exhausts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, used to working on cars and bikes, so this doesn't look very difficult. I just don't need to learn the hard way if there are any tricks or surprises involved in changing out these exhaust pipes.



    I wouldn't do it myself since my mechanic encountered a little problem (actually two problems) with some stuck bolts/screws (the excessive heat made them stuck pretty well and he almost destroyed one at the turbo charger and destroyed one at the rear pipes which luckily wasn't a big problem). If your dealer breaks it, he has to fix it. If YOU break it...well...

    The usual exhaust exchange job involves removing the rear bumper, the intercoolers (makes life easier) and also some hoses (intercooler, etc.) inside the engine bay.

    Regarding warranty issues: YES, any aftermarket mod, incl. an aftermarket exhaust can indeed void your warranty. My suggestion is: let the dealer get the exhaust for you (may cost you slightly more but in the end it is to your advantage) and do the install. When problems occur, I doubt that the dealer will easily blame you, especially since the exhaust can be removed immediately without a trace.

    Dec 20, 2006 11:34:17 PM

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    Careful guy's. I just read on another site an owner of a 997TT took his car in for a oil leak and Porsche service told him that since he has after market exhaust, they would not repair the car under warranty.



    do you know which dealer? my dealer knows I have an aftermarket exhaust and he is fine with it. He even changed an MAF for free on my modified boxster with intake and exhaust and the CEL was due to a faulty cone filter (far from OEM). It depends on the relationship you have with your dealer.

    Dec 21, 2006 2:02:20 AM

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    Get it done by the dealer...

    Dec 21, 2006 4:40:02 AM

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    Re: Cargraphic Exhaust Installation

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    Quote:
    TulsaTurbo said:
    I just received my Cargraphic Export Loud Exhaust Pipes today. Can anyone tell me what all is involved in changing out the exhausts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, used to working on cars and bikes, so this doesn't look very difficult. I just don't need to learn the hard way if there are any tricks or surprises involved in changing out these exhaust pipes.



    I wouldn't do it myself since my mechanic encountered a little problem (actually two problems) with some stuck bolts/screws (the excessive heat made them stuck pretty well and he almost destroyed one at the turbo charger and destroyed one at the rear pipes which luckily wasn't a big problem). If your dealer breaks it, he has to fix it. If YOU break it...well...

    The usual exhaust exchange job involves removing the rear bumper, the intercoolers (makes life easier) and also some hoses (intercooler, etc.) inside the engine bay.

    Regarding warranty issues: YES, any aftermarket mod, incl. an aftermarket exhaust can indeed void your warranty. My suggestion is: let the dealer get the exhaust for you (may cost you slightly more but in the end it is to your advantage) and do the install. When problems occur, I doubt that the dealer will easily blame you, especially since the exhaust can be removed immediately without a trace.



    I went to the dealer this morning to have the oil changed (600 miles/1000 km) and was telling the service manager my weekend project was to install the Cargraphic exhaust. He says 'Since you already have it in for the oil change, why don't you just let us install the system?' YES!

    So ... the pipies are on! I picked up the car this evening. Unfortunately, it is/was pouring down rain so I didn't get much driving or a good feel for how the pipes sound. I can say, they are not 'LOUD"! They sound more like exactly what you would hope/expect to get from the factory.

    Dec 21, 2006 4:42:33 AM

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    Re: Cargraphic Exhaust Installation

    One more thing, I visited with the service technician and he said he had to remove the turbos (very tedius) to get the pipes on just right. He said he did NOT remove the rear bumper or the wheels.

    Dec 21, 2006 4:44:12 AM

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    Quote:
    TulsaTurbo said:
    I just received my Cargraphic Export Loud Exhaust Pipes today. Can anyone tell me what all is involved in changing out the exhausts? I'm a Mechanical Engineer, used to working on cars and bikes, so this doesn't look very difficult. I just don't need to learn the hard way if there are any tricks or surprises involved in changing out these exhaust pipes.



    I wouldn't do it myself since my mechanic encountered a little problem (actually two problems) with some stuck bolts/screws (the excessive heat made them stuck pretty well and he almost destroyed one at the turbo charger and destroyed one at the rear pipes which luckily wasn't a big problem). If your dealer breaks it, he has to fix it. If YOU break it...well...

    The usual exhaust exchange job involves removing the rear bumper, the intercoolers (makes life easier) and also some hoses (intercooler, etc.) inside the engine bay.

    Regarding warranty issues: YES, any aftermarket mod, incl. an aftermarket exhaust can indeed void your warranty. My suggestion is: let the dealer get the exhaust for you (may cost you slightly more but in the end it is to your advantage) and do the install. When problems occur, I doubt that the dealer will easily blame you, especially since the exhaust can be removed immediately without a trace.



    I went to the dealer this morning to have the oil changed (600 miles/1000 km) and was telling the service manager my weekend project was to install the Cargraphic exhaust. He says 'Since you already have it in for the oil change, why don't you just let us install the system?' YES!

    So ... the pipies are on! I picked up the car this evening. Unfortunately, it is/was pouring down rain so I didn't get much driving or a good feel for how the pipes sound. I can say, they are not 'LOUD"! They sound more like exactly what you would hope/expect to get from the factory.



    Glad to hear it . I have 3 short clips of the cargraphic export and I will try to upload them later tonight or tomorrow.

    Dec 21, 2006 12:10:13 PM

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    RC, I having my Cargraphic installed today by my local Porsche dealer. I checked with them and they said that it would not void my warrenty...but that could change if there is a major problem!! But I figured that it was the safest option to have my dealer fit it rather than somebody else. It's a risk but from what I've heard its worth it! If my warrenty is blown then thats life - can't keep the car in cotton wool and I knew the risks going into it. I guess you just have to try and reduce your risk but nothing is risk free

    Dec 21, 2006 2:59:47 PM

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    One more thing, I visited with the service technician and he said he had to remove the turbos (very tedius) to get the pipes on just right. He said he did NOT remove the rear bumper or the wheels.



    Crazy guy... Maybe he should read the Porsche manual for exhaust installs.

    Dec 21, 2006 3:01:16 PM

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    where are the sound clips??..someone here whant to listen it!!

    Dec 21, 2006 3:51:45 PM

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    also looking forward to the clip...thx

    Dec 21, 2006 4:15:44 PM

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    where are the sound clips??..someone here whant to listen it!!





    Here you go: this is in "slow" mode as I forgot to press the sport button and sorry for the short separate clips and slight shaking (wife taping....) .

    http://videos.streetfire.net/video/5b3a2c12-570c-4d31-b09b-989e001f6cda.htm

    http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4de6fff6-4728-4bba-8231-989e00210544.htm

    http://videos.streetfire.net/video/71c39618-08d7-4bbf-b9bc-989e0022a17e.htm

    Dec 21, 2006 4:52:08 PM

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    Is that the quiet version? Not really feeling it, I'm sure it sounds way better in person.

    Dec 21, 2006 5:05:40 PM

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    thx...i think it sounds good...i guess youd need to hear them both consectively to really tell...and in person to make a buying decision

    Dec 21, 2006 5:07:47 PM

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    Is that the quiet version? Not really feeling it, I'm sure it sounds way better in person.


    no, this is the loud version and you're right the clips don't do it justice. it is really loud at full throttle but pretty tame at cruising speeds inside the car.

    Dec 21, 2006 6:00:16 PM

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    i think it sound goood!! really good!

    thanks!
     
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