Autobild : RT12, LP640, SLR, S7 Twin Turbo 0-300km/h
LP640 / SLR / RT12
0-100 3,3 / 3,9 / 3,4
0-200 11,1 / 11,1 / 9,8
0-250 18,5 / 18,6 / 15,4
0-300 33,3 / 36,3 / 24,8
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95jersey said:
That really sucks they have no numbers for the S7. Guaranteed that would have been the fastest by far...
Veyron power with only 2500lbs.
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Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Dec 15, 2006 5:53:30 PM
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
Dec 15, 2006 6:18:38 PM
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Pagani Fanatic said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
Regarding the Sport Auto test
If I may go offtopic, could you please provide the number for the 36 metre slalom
Thanks ,
Bruce
Dec 15, 2006 6:34:59 PM
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MKSGR said:Quote:
Pagani Fanatic said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
Regarding the Sport Auto test
If I may go offtopic, could you please provide the number for the 36 metre slalom
Thanks ,
Bruce
Sure:
36m slalom: 134kph
110m lane change: 153kph
Are you interested in any other metrics?
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VKSF said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
Interesting...Pirelli Corsas aren't street-oriented, rain-compatible tires, correct?....adjusting data for normal, street perf tires, 640's N and HH times are no better than ancient Murci times....
And given 997TT's unremarkable rumored N-ring times...again adjusting data for silly, non-street tires, it seems car mfrs have hit a wall in terms of materially improved N-ring times, despite more hp/tq, faster trannies, more advcd stab ctrls, etc.....
Will be interesting to see 599's N and HH times....esp given latest issue of Autocar claims 997TT eats 599 in bumpy twisties......
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KresoF1 said:
Markus,
Remember old 500hp Gallardo times from Sport Auto Supertest?
Hockenheim 1.11,8min
Ring 7.52min
Pirelli Corsa tires
Since new 520hp version is little bit faster(1.11,6min) then old version times achiveb by LP640(1.11,8min) and 997 Turbo(1.11,9min) are nothing special IMHO.
BTW, 997 Turbo was featuring PCCBs, Michelin Cups and LSD(manual, of course).
And now we all know that sport tires(Michelin Cups and Pirelli Corsas) are around 1.5s-2s faster around Hockenheim then normal tires.
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VKSF said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
Interesting...Pirelli Corsas aren't street-oriented, rain-compatible tires, correct?....adjusting data for normal, street perf tires, 640's N and HH times are no better than ancient Murci times....
And given 997TT's unremarkable rumored N-ring times...again adjusting data for silly, non-street tires, it seems car mfrs have hit a wall in terms of materially improved N-ring times, despite more hp/tq, faster trannies, more advcd stab ctrls, etc.....
Will be interesting to see 599's N and HH times....esp given latest issue of Autocar claims 997TT eats 599 in bumpy twisties......
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Hurst said:Quote:
VKSF said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
Interesting...Pirelli Corsas aren't street-oriented, rain-compatible tires, correct?....adjusting data for normal, street perf tires, 640's N and HH times are no better than ancient Murci times....
And given 997TT's unremarkable rumored N-ring times...again adjusting data for silly, non-street tires, it seems car mfrs have hit a wall in terms of materially improved N-ring times, despite more hp/tq, faster trannies, more advcd stab ctrls, etc.....
Will be interesting to see 599's N and HH times....esp given latest issue of Autocar claims 997TT eats 599 in bumpy twisties......
The only relevant sportscars in the last generation to come out, that have been able to shave time off in the NBR are lightweight street-track cars (e.g. CGT, CSL).
Here's basically the reason why:
The new influx of high-power, high weight cars (599, LP640, 997TT) aren't engineered to be trackmonsters simply because of their weight. It's like Ron Dennis said, when equating hp/weight ratio, it isn't a simple formula. Weight has no substitute; not even power.
These new cars with their incredulous hp/tq numerics are made to make the average cup of joe richboy driver fast, not the saavy pro. Any racecar driver will bawk at any of these pigish cars' abilities to lap the ring. They'd rather have a nice 400hp lightweight monster...
Thus, NBR is becoming less relavent, while HHM #s are getting slashed as the track is more of a barometer to these cars with better breaks, more hp (not nec. df setup).
my op..
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BC911 said:Quote:
95jersey said:
That really sucks they have no numbers for the S7. Guaranteed that would have been the fastest by far...
Veyron power with only 2500lbs.
Thought the exact same
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They have no numbers for the S7 as this car seems to be misconstructed. The downforce at around 280kph was that strong that the front wing touched the ground Dangerous piece of crap (sorry).
P.S.: Up to 250kph the S7 is the slowest car in the test, nearly 4s slower than the RT12
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Hurst said:Quote:
VKSF said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
Mike S said:
Awesome! The LP640 is quicker than the SLR
Exactly, this test confirms the previous AMS test results
BTW, the new sportauto contains a supertest of the LP640 (test car with Pirelli Corsa tires):
NBR 7:47
HHR 1:11.8
0-200: 11.2s
200-0: 135.7m
Weight: 1805kg
Interesting...Pirelli Corsas aren't street-oriented, rain-compatible tires, correct?....adjusting data for normal, street perf tires, 640's N and HH times are no better than ancient Murci times....
And given 997TT's unremarkable rumored N-ring times...again adjusting data for silly, non-street tires, it seems car mfrs have hit a wall in terms of materially improved N-ring times, despite more hp/tq, faster trannies, more advcd stab ctrls, etc.....
Will be interesting to see 599's N and HH times....esp given latest issue of Autocar claims 997TT eats 599 in bumpy twisties......
The only relevant sportscars in the last generation to come out, that have been able to shave time off in the NBR are lightweight street-track cars (e.g. CGT, CSL).
Here's basically the reason why:
The new influx of high-power, high weight cars (599, LP640, 997TT) aren't engineered to be trackmonsters simply because of their weight. It's like Ron Dennis said, when equating hp/weight ratio, it isn't a simple formula. Weight has no substitute; not even power.
These new cars with their incredulous hp/tq numerics are made to make the average cup of joe richboy driver fast, not the saavy pro. Any racecar driver will bawk at any of these pigish cars' abilities to lap the ring. They'd rather have a nice 400hp lightweight monster...
Thus, NBR is becoming less relavent, while HHM #s are getting slashed as the track is more of a barometer to these cars with better breaks, more hp (not nec. df setup).
my op..
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Ziggy said:
[..] compared the NBR track time of the Carrera GT vs the GT3RS's in the hand of WR : Carrera GT is "only" 10 sec faster (circa 7h32 vs 7h42) despite a 200-bhp advantage and a track-dedicated engineered chassis [...]
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Ferdie said:Quote:
Ziggy said:
[..] compared the NBR track time of the Carrera GT vs the GT3RS's in the hand of WR : Carrera GT is "only" 10 sec faster (circa 7h32 vs 7h42) despite a 200-bhp advantage and a track-dedicated engineered chassis [...]
I agree with you. I talked to the head of a very exklusive sportscar manufacturer, whos name I'd like to skip on the net, who stated that the CGTs time of around 7 1/2 min. on the Nordschleife is remarkable and will be hard to beat by any other manufacturer with a car of similiar size and composition. One should bear in mind that a company as Porsche has to fulfill higher compulsory standards than a small-volume or kitkar manufacturer.
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VKSF said:
Will get 599 next wk to start doing own amateur, back-to-back, subjective-feel assessments in twisties vs 997TT and SL65 (if it stops raining for a few days in SF)...
Can't wait to read your reflections
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VKSF said:
[...]EU's culture of smaller urban regions [...] unlike their middle-class EU counterparts, who often commute via walking/bus/train or ?3000lb diesel
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Ferdie said:
Saleen S7 TT
0-100 4,2
0-200 11,8
Thanks Ferdie.. I actually thought the S7 would be faster, asp to 100kph