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    Nov 23, 2006 3:36:30 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    So gents, your opinioin: does that facelift really look any better than the current version?
    I can't help myself but to me it is unnecessary to say the least.



    I fully agree with you, I very much prefer the current version.



    We all complain

    We all will buy the next one

    As always

    Nov 23, 2006 3:44:33 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    Driving around in almost uncloaked facelift prototypes... I don't get it, makes no sense if the update is nearly two years away (MY09). IMO the 997-II must be much nearer.



    guys are we really sure is not a "special edition"??

    is too much naked to be at one year an half to be on sale..

    Nov 23, 2006 4:00:59 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    I agree - it is way too uncamo'd to be an '09. I am betting on '08 with the tail lights touched up to match the new Cayenne. I don't know what they will do with the Targa though. Besides, Porsche has to do something to keep sales up for '08, until the Panamera comes in '09.

    Nov 23, 2006 4:15:58 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
    zzboba said:
    Quote:
    Nico997 said:
    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    So gents, your opinioin: does that facelift really look any better than the current version?
    I can't help myself but to me it is unnecessary to say the least.



    I fully agree with you, I very much prefer the current version.



    We all complain

    We all will buy the next one

    As always



    Not sure if I will do so, if the changes come like that.

    Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me these changes are not only unneccesary (applies mostly for the back), but they make the car uglier (applies for the new front).

    Nov 23, 2006 4:16:40 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    Quote:
    zzboba said:
    Driving around in almost uncloaked facelift prototypes... I don't get it, makes no sense if the update is nearly two years away (MY09). IMO the 997-II must be much nearer.



    guys are we really sure is not a "special edition"??

    is too much naked to be at one year an half to be on sale..



    Could it be some kind of a "Turbo-Look" option for the current 997?

    Nov 23, 2006 4:27:38 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    And furthermore: Note that Porsche just started an agreement with XM for 2007. And notice the new antenna on some of the spy photos, on the coupe as well as the cab?

    Nov 23, 2006 4:29:34 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    Could it be some kind of a "Turbo-Look" option for the current 997?



    With new rear lights? Unlikely IMO.

    Since the 997 is on the market since 07/2004, a facelift before 2008 would be a little bit sassy. But why are they driving around in one?

    Nov 23, 2006 5:42:31 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    There would be only one reason for me to get the facelift 997: the jump in BHP.

    Then I would add the powerkit and get close to 400bhp (I assume)

    The aesthetic changes are so tiny they are meaningless IMHO.

    Nov 23, 2006 6:19:51 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
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    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Could it be some kind of a "Turbo-Look" option for the current 997?



    With new rear lights? Unlikely IMO.

    Since the 997 is on the market since 07/2004, a facelift before 2008 would be a little bit sassy. But why are they driving around in one?



    Well, right as well.

    I really start to believe, that we see the facelift already in early 2008 and not MY 2009 as stated in the article.

    Nov 23, 2006 6:24:00 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    There would be only one reason for me to get the facelift 997: the jump in BHP.

    Then I would add the powerkit and get close to 400bhp (I assume)

    The aesthetic changes are so tiny they are meaningless IMHO.



    Are a mere 15 horses more (as rumoured) that important?

    Most probably you won't even feel a difference between old and new.
    And to me the aesthetic changes are a step back, which makes the word "aesthetic" inappropriate.

    Nov 23, 2006 7:38:52 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
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    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Could it be some kind of a "Turbo-Look" option for the current 997?



    With new rear lights? Unlikely IMO.





    in fact it seems strange..but that front is really ugly,a lot of people prefer the current one..
    And the fact that is too ready to go,make me wonder..

    the back instead looks good IMHO

    time will tell

    Nov 23, 2006 7:43:50 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    I would be happy enough when PDK sees the light

    Nov 23, 2006 7:56:07 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    15 HP... Why even bother. The 997 should be 350 for the base and 380 for the S, and that was last year. 15 HP in two years? No thank you.

    My 03 911 has 320 HP, the base 09 911 will have 335?

    I am the first one to be against the HP war and find a 500hp M5 ridiculous, but the 911 are sports cars...

    Nov 23, 2006 8:00:49 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    but 997S performance is more than "355hp"

    i saw a top gear or 5th gear video..

    with 3 cars 997s m6 and aston doing time attack on a certain route. 997s won by quite a big gap

    Nov 24, 2006 1:30:12 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    I am mostly interested in the PDK and direct injection engine.

    Wouldn't Porsche save the direct injection for 998 rather than the facelift?

    I don't know. But it looks good anyway you look at it!

    Nov 24, 2006 10:12:58 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    Alex (UK) said:
    There would be only one reason for me to get the facelift 997: the jump in BHP.

    Then I would add the powerkit and get close to 400bhp (I assume)

    The aesthetic changes are so tiny they are meaningless IMHO.



    Are a mere 15 horses more (as rumoured) that important?

    Most probably you won't even feel a difference between old and new.
    And to me the aesthetic changes are a step back, which makes the word "aesthetic" inappropriate.



    I agree that an extra 15bhp won't be felt. However, as my current C2S is too old to retrofit a powerkit, if I got a facelift version with powerkit included then I think I would indeed feel the difference.

    To be honest though, I would never do this. The money lost in trade-in would just not be worth such a small change in the car.

    Personally I would only trade my current car in for a new Turbo with:

  • 500bhp
  • PDK
  • PSE
  • Sports chrono pack without the 'wart' on the dashboard
  • A bonnet like the new GT3 and GT2
  • GT3/GT2 style wheels
  • Removal of the current Turbo's bulging front fog lights
  • Redesign of current Turbo's rear-end

    Anything less wouldn't be worth the change. So I think I will have to put my name down for the 998 Turbo out around 2012 and keep my fingers crossed!!

    • Nov 24, 2006 10:56:11 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    ...

    Personally I would only trade my current car in for a new Turbo with:

  • 500bhp
  • PDK
  • PSE
  • Sports chrono pack without the 'wart' on the dashboard
  • A bonnet like the new GT3 and GT2
  • GT3/GT2 style wheels
  • Removal of the current Turbo's bulging front fog lights
  • Redesign of current Turbo's rear-end

    ...






    • Scary... can you do thought-reading?

    These are EXACTLY my wishes for a Turbo update!!

    Nov 24, 2006 11:12:27 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Let's see if RC can get us in an official Porsche 998 suggestions work-group, as the above changes would make for quite a car!!

    ...the Turbo as it should have been.

    Nov 24, 2006 11:26:08 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    ...

    Personally I would only trade my current car in for a new Turbo with:

  • 500bhp
  • PDK
  • PSE
  • Sports chrono pack without the 'wart' on the dashboard
  • A bonnet like the new GT3 and GT2
  • GT3/GT2 style wheels
  • Removal of the current Turbo's bulging front fog lights
  • Redesign of current Turbo's rear-end

    ...






    • Scary... can you do thought-reading?

    These are EXACTLY my wishes for a Turbo update!!



    Well, you surely will get all these options for you Turbo directly from Porsche in the near future.

    It's only a matter of...




    ... money.

    Nov 25, 2006 9:00:22 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    zzboba said:
    Quote:
    Alex (UK) said:

    ...

    Personally I would only trade my current car in for a new Turbo with:

  • 500bhp
  • PDK
  • PSE
  • Sports chrono pack without the 'wart' on the dashboard
  • A bonnet like the new GT3 and GT2
  • GT3/GT2 style wheels
  • Removal of the current Turbo's bulging front fog lights
  • Redesign of current Turbo's rear-end

    ...






    • Scary... can you do thought-reading?

    These are EXACTLY my wishes for a Turbo update!!



    Well, you surely will get all these options for you Turbo directly from Porsche in the near future.

    It's only a matter of...




    ... money.



    ... and years, and years, and years

    Nov 25, 2006 7:28:07 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
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    but 997S performance is more than "355hp"

    i saw a top gear or 5th gear video..

    with 3 cars 997s m6 and aston doing time attack on a certain route. 997s won by quite a big gap



    Yes, the 997 is a true sports car and much more adept to track driving than the other cars tested. I, personally, would never buy either one over the 997S but, that doesn't mean that I don't think that it's ridiculous that a 4000 lb. sedan can at least run with it and likely whoop it in a drag race.
    Maybe "whoop" is extreme, but you know what I mean. I've said it before, I'll say it again 355 measly horses for $90K+

    Nov 25, 2006 7:55:36 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Quote:
    Rossi said:
    Could it be some kind of a "Turbo-Look" option for the current 997?



    With new rear lights? Unlikely IMO.

    Since the 997 is on the market since 07/2004, a facelift before 2008 would be a little bit sassy. But why are they driving around in one?



    Well, right as well.

    I really start to believe, that we see the facelift already in early 2008 and not MY 2009 as stated in the article.


    What are you thinking about following argument : Mechanical double clutch system has been developed by Porsche years ago for the race cars. It was too expensive for road cars. The patent has been sold to VW group. Rumors says at PAG that the patent will end in 2008. If PAG does not want to pay royalties to VW for a patent they sold them, they have to wait to 2009 to sell the PDK...

    Carlos

    Nov 25, 2006 10:50:50 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Wait... Hold on... Is that Tom Celic.. Or maybe Burt Reynolds driving? I thought Magnum PI drove a Ferrari.. :-)

    http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6060719.001/6060719.001.mini5L.jpg
    Spy Photos: Porsche 911 Cabrio Facelift

    Nov 27, 2006 7:04:42 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Did you recognize this lights? What is this square looking unit about?

    Nov 27, 2006 8:37:05 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    Did you recognize this lights? What is this square looking unit about?



    Some kind of night vision device, like in the S-class or 7series?

    Nov 27, 2006 9:46:01 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    new picture of 997 with led

    Nov 27, 2006 9:48:34 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

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    new picture of 997 with led



    These rear lights remind me of the graphics used by Aston Martin.

    Nov 27, 2006 11:03:05 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    See what I mean?



    Nov 27, 2006 11:55:02 AM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Thank's andre for the new spyshot

    Nov 27, 2006 12:06:10 PM

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    Re: HOT: Pictures of 997 Facelift!!!!

    Quote:
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    Quote:
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    Did you recognize this lights? What is this square looking unit about?


    Some kind of night vision device, like in the S-class or 7series?



    If it is night-vision then surely they will have to redesign the entire dashboard. Looking down at where the current PCM is located would cause a lot more accidents than it would prevent! It's not the best positioning as it is right now for map-reading or selecting radio stations etc.

    Can you really see a Porsche 911 having a completely digital display in the near future?!
     
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