Nov 14, 2006 3:49:47 PM
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Nov 14, 2006 3:54:03 PM
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
to each his own.
haven't driven a carburated car in quite some time. but my old school cable linkage cars have a throttle response much more like the non-sport mode of the 997s than the sport mode.
In addition, my 996 cars felt like the 997S in non sport mode, coming from a 996 GT3 into the 997S, the sport throttle mapping seemed odd and *foreign* at first, then just annoying.
the big problem with sport chrono is (i) the heinous wart, and (ii) can't get the more relaxed PSM w/o the annoying throttle response and the annoying wart.
haven't driven a carburated car in quite some time. but my old school cable linkage cars have a throttle response much more like the non-sport mode of the 997s than the sport mode.
In addition, my 996 cars felt like the 997S in non sport mode, coming from a 996 GT3 into the 997S, the sport throttle mapping seemed odd and *foreign* at first, then just annoying.
the big problem with sport chrono is (i) the heinous wart, and (ii) can't get the more relaxed PSM w/o the annoying throttle response and the annoying wart.
Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
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Guys, the 997 is DRIVE BY WIRE... Therefore your claims of "linear throttle response" are pure speculation. You have no idea what the standard mode represents compared to what a cable connected to a throttle body would provide...
I should have been clearer. I should have said "I prefer the more linear of the two settings and don't care for front loaded throttles".
You are correct that the normal setting is not linear. A totally linear throttle mapping would be a straight line going from 0 to 100. By viewing the graph from the Porsche 997/997S brochure it would be hard to say that either mapping was linear but you can say without speculation that the sport mode is front loaded.
Credit Cocohas for the link to the graph.
Nov 14, 2006 6:43:08 PM
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
"My sport button IS my normal setting. Anybody pondering the Sport Chrono option need only take a test drive, try all the settings, and decide which setup pleases their senses the most.... "
69bossnine: I completely agree with you on this one. The guy should go and test if he likes the sport mode or not.
Indeed the best thing about the SC are:
- for some drivers PSM stepping in later;
- you can reach a slightly higher RPM;
- and the extra memory settings for the key.
But I still say that inexperienced drivers with a heavy foot are better without it
All I am saying after 2 years and a half of playing with it, is that my next 997 will not have it.
jerrygee: thank you for the graph. Things are much more clear now.
69bossnine: I completely agree with you on this one. The guy should go and test if he likes the sport mode or not.
Indeed the best thing about the SC are:
- for some drivers PSM stepping in later;
- you can reach a slightly higher RPM;
- and the extra memory settings for the key.
But I still say that inexperienced drivers with a heavy foot are better without it
All I am saying after 2 years and a half of playing with it, is that my next 997 will not have it.
jerrygee: thank you for the graph. Things are much more clear now.
Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
It has nothing to do with whether you are experienced. I'm far from inexperienced with substantial track time in several different cars including 3 996s and a 997S, and don't like the front loaded throttle mapping.
I'd say it's a personal preference, but even then, some have come to dislike it over time.
Edit: interesting when you look at the graph, at normal mode you have half the tq at half the throttle travel vs. 80% the tq at half the throttle travel. Huge difference.
And the last 30% of the throttle travel in sport doesn't really do anything.
I'd say it's a personal preference, but even then, some have come to dislike it over time.
Edit: interesting when you look at the graph, at normal mode you have half the tq at half the throttle travel vs. 80% the tq at half the throttle travel. Huge difference.
And the last 30% of the throttle travel in sport doesn't really do anything.
Nov 14, 2006 7:16:03 PM
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This thread (and the countless threads on this topic before it) reveals that there is a HUGE variety of opinions from all kinds of drivers (and some misinformation as well). The one thing that can be concluded from it is that SC is clearly NOT a 'must have' option. To me, must have means nearly (if not) everybody considers it a must. Some people love it, others (like me ) would never get it again. You should decide for yourself, but it's really only an issue if the cost really matters to you. If the cost is not a big issue, then it offers you more options, and may make your car more attractive at resale. If the cost is a big issue, then you should try it out and decide for yourself.
My $0.02: its a total gimmick, and a very successful one at that. Porsche squeezes a few thousand more dollars out of you for something that is ugly and provides virtually nothing of substance that costs them virtually nothing to add. That's not to say that I cannot appreciate the different throttle maps, only that the feel of the sport throttle map is less attractive to me, and at the end of the day, it does NOTHING to improve performance. If you want to improve your performance, the focus should be MUCH more on your driving skills than this feature. If you want to maximize your enjoyment of the car, then see if you enjoy this feature for yourself.
My $0.02: its a total gimmick, and a very successful one at that. Porsche squeezes a few thousand more dollars out of you for something that is ugly and provides virtually nothing of substance that costs them virtually nothing to add. That's not to say that I cannot appreciate the different throttle maps, only that the feel of the sport throttle map is less attractive to me, and at the end of the day, it does NOTHING to improve performance. If you want to improve your performance, the focus should be MUCH more on your driving skills than this feature. If you want to maximize your enjoyment of the car, then see if you enjoy this feature for yourself.
Nov 14, 2006 8:04:59 PM
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Put a 2x4 block under the pedal (in sport) for a more "linear" (half power @ half pedal) feel and you have the same thing as a short shifter and barely any loss of ultimate power. (like putting a layer of cardboard behind the pedal in standard) Standard mode is half power @ half pedal. I've got long legs and don't have a problem reaching the firewall. On the other hand, I just bought the short shifter and my arms are long too. Go figure. I don't have SCP but wish I did because it's cheap and can't be retrofitted and you don't have to use it and the clock aint that bad and it also programs some of the electronics that you get charged $50 to have changed at the dealer.
Nov 14, 2006 8:20:52 PM
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Note that the graph charts "pedal travel", which makes it rather useless as a tool for debate, as the pedal is just a joystick... Who's to say this engine makes 50% of its torque at exactly half-throttle if you're standing back their twisting the throttle manually??
In other words, it's contrived, it's intentionally set that way by virtue of the drive-by-wire calibration programmed by Porsche. Before drive-by-wire, where all this stuff can be precisely fiddled with, you'll find that most engines surpass 50% of torque prior to half-throttle I believe, but maybe I'm just an amateur hack, I dunno, and I don't have time to research today??
So you can call that graph front-loaded for the Sport setting, or I can call it dialed-back for the Normal setting
In the end, as I said, it's drive-by-wire, and this chart (due to the fact that it measures the remote-control pedal travel rather than throttle-twist at the engine) doesn't display reality in regard to how the 3.8 makes power, it just displays how the engineers calibrated the two settings to deliver the power at the pedal. Which setting more accurately represents reality, if you removed the electro-gizmos and ran straight mechanical linkage???? THAT'S the question!! I dunno, I just know I like one setting better than the other...
In other words, it's contrived, it's intentionally set that way by virtue of the drive-by-wire calibration programmed by Porsche. Before drive-by-wire, where all this stuff can be precisely fiddled with, you'll find that most engines surpass 50% of torque prior to half-throttle I believe, but maybe I'm just an amateur hack, I dunno, and I don't have time to research today??
So you can call that graph front-loaded for the Sport setting, or I can call it dialed-back for the Normal setting
In the end, as I said, it's drive-by-wire, and this chart (due to the fact that it measures the remote-control pedal travel rather than throttle-twist at the engine) doesn't display reality in regard to how the 3.8 makes power, it just displays how the engineers calibrated the two settings to deliver the power at the pedal. Which setting more accurately represents reality, if you removed the electro-gizmos and ran straight mechanical linkage???? THAT'S the question!! I dunno, I just know I like one setting better than the other...
Nov 14, 2006 9:23:33 PM
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
Quote:psm w/ sport chrono has 3 dif settings. w/o sport chrono it has two.
69bossnine said:Some may think the standard setting is linear, but others (like myself) find it timid, and believe that the sport mode is more in-step with how the car would respond old-school, and that the normal setting is a de-fanged setup to make the car seem more civil and tractable in traffic, hence the 911 being known as a high-performance car with the civility of a daily-driver... The normal setting intentionally tries to cover both sides of the fence.
it take it this is your perception?
why would you use the term de-fanged if both settings have the same end result?
BOTH settings are nothing more than perception, it's just that one feels more lazy and less immediate than the other... it's not a perception that there are two dif settings w/ two dif responses.
why would a driver want to change the setting?
you yourself say you leave it on sport. (must like a bumpy ride unless you turn off the stiff pasm?)
porsche could offer 500 dif throttle remaps and it still would be a gimmick.
one day i imagine we will be able to map our own throttle response.
but once throttle response is set it would best be left unchanged for consistency of feel.
it's not de-fanged or lazy feeling in the normal mode for me, but as you point out that is just perception.
except we both have the same potential result.
It's kind of silly to claim that one setting purely represents the engine's responses, and the other doctors it up to trick you.
but consistency of throttle response is not silly.
My sport button IS my normal setting.
bUmPy
1) psm normal
2) psm sport (w/ sport chrono) where the PSM threshold is further extended to enable greater driver involvement - particularly at speeds up to 44 mph.
3) psm disabled (but not really) where it leaves only the automatic brake differential in place. to ensure your safety, psm remains present in the background and will only intervene under heavy braking where at least one front wheel requires ABS assistance.
again porsche giving variety.
psm normal and psm disabled (not really) is enough variety for me.
i didnt mention b/f that you do see the wart out of the corner of your eye when driving in a place that you are not accustomed to seeing something.
when i speed up i keep wanting to remove the object on the dash that is going to start rolling around.
unfortunately it won't come off.
one other thing is we have all kind of agreed that sport chrono is a "must have option" on the turbo.
it should be mentioned also that this is only because porsche tied the overboost function to sport chrono.
if it was seperate function it would take away sport chrono's "must have option" status.
jeff
Nov 14, 2006 10:34:46 PM
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
Read my posts better, you'll see that I turn the PASM to normal, NO BUMPY RIDE...
And I have no argument regarding a consistent setting, that's why I consistently press two buttons each time I start my car, sport-on pasm-normal.
Your first point ("same end result" comment) insults my intelligence, as it only holds water under the assumption that everybody drives around at constant full-throttle. Otherwise, a sharper earlier dip-in does return a faster response, as your foot does not depress the pedal at light-speed.
If the normal setting loaded most of the throttle twist into the last/bottom 10% of pedal travel, would you still make the same absurd argument? The car would drive like a Pinto up until almost full-throttle....
And I have no argument regarding a consistent setting, that's why I consistently press two buttons each time I start my car, sport-on pasm-normal.
Your first point ("same end result" comment) insults my intelligence, as it only holds water under the assumption that everybody drives around at constant full-throttle. Otherwise, a sharper earlier dip-in does return a faster response, as your foot does not depress the pedal at light-speed.
If the normal setting loaded most of the throttle twist into the last/bottom 10% of pedal travel, would you still make the same absurd argument? The car would drive like a Pinto up until almost full-throttle....
Nov 15, 2006 1:52:23 AM
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
Quote:i went back and read your earlier posts and it seems like we are pretty much in agreement.
69bossnine said:
Read my posts better, you'll see that I turn the PASM to normal, NO BUMPY RIDE...
And I have no argument regarding a consistent setting, that's why I consistently press two buttons each time I start my car, sport-on pasm-normal.
Your first point ("same end result" comment) insults my intelligence, as it only holds water under the assumption that everybody drives around at constant full-throttle. Otherwise, a sharper earlier dip-in does return a faster response, as your foot does not depress the pedal at light-speed.
If the normal setting loaded most of the throttle twist into the last/bottom 10% of pedal travel, would you still make the same absurd argument? The car would drive like a Pinto up until almost full-throttle....
the only dif we seem to have is which setting we like of the current two maps options.
certainly no attempt was made to insult your intelligence.
i find the sport throttle map comes on too early and was over-revving more when used.
the normal mode while slow initially gave me a better feel after.
i think to call my argument absurd is a little much.
i believe we both agree there should be one setting that is most likely a compromise of the two and it should be left at that.
jeff
btw i figured w/o reading that you wouldnt have left pasm in the sport mode!
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
I think Chrono Plus is useful only because everynow and then that one gets bored, you can press the button and kind of get a slightly different car with a sharper thottle response. It is more of a gimmick/novelty but i kind of like it and would definitely miss it if it were not there. With sport mode on, the throttle response really becomes telepathic, very sensitive and nice "I Like"...
Terrible in traffic etc. but fun everynow and then, kind of like pasm sport which is quite bouncy on any road irregiularity but which does remove that comfort floaty feeling when travelling in a straight line in pasm normal, mind you the same comfort floaty feeling that makes the car an excellent highway and every day driver...
Life is too complicated, no simple answers eh...once again Porsche should have included the feature as standard minus that ugly wart which is even more useless than i thought, although it does look nice when activated and lit, it's just so 70's
Terrible in traffic etc. but fun everynow and then, kind of like pasm sport which is quite bouncy on any road irregiularity but which does remove that comfort floaty feeling when travelling in a straight line in pasm normal, mind you the same comfort floaty feeling that makes the car an excellent highway and every day driver...
Life is too complicated, no simple answers eh...once again Porsche should have included the feature as standard minus that ugly wart which is even more useless than i thought, although it does look nice when activated and lit, it's just so 70's
Nov 15, 2006 4:53:09 AM
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
One more thing about the throttle map is that a 997 without SC is no slouch - it doesn't feel slow by any stretch. It is only in comparison to the sport throttle map that some may feel it to be sluggish (again - a matter of sensitivity and not true performance). Thus, if you don't have SC, you're not really "missing" out on anything.
Are you going to dislike your 997 T4S b/c it doesn't have SC? Doubt it. Know anyone who absolutely had to trade their non SC 997 in for one equipped with SC? Unlikely. Is your T4S without SC any slower or less of a performer than a T4S with SC? Absolutely not! Love that clean dash without the wart? Of course you do.
Are you going to dislike your 997 T4S b/c it doesn't have SC? Doubt it. Know anyone who absolutely had to trade their non SC 997 in for one equipped with SC? Unlikely. Is your T4S without SC any slower or less of a performer than a T4S with SC? Absolutely not! Love that clean dash without the wart? Of course you do.
Nov 15, 2006 11:48:16 AM
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The graph is useful for evaluation...but of course not as an engine torque curve. It only represents where the throttle sensitivity range is. Say the pedal travels 4"...the range of "use" is the same for both. Sport is from 0.5" to 2" and Normal is from 1" to 2.5". Both are pretty linear and similar within that range. The 0.5" difference feels like allot because it's twice as far back for Normal...but it's still only a half an inch. Like a clutch that engages 0.5" sooner as you release or a brake pedal that slowly has its pressure area lower over time, the sensitivity appears to be the same only at a slightly different position. Only takes two seconds to adjust to the change...maybe ten for some. Still, I say buy the thing if you can stand the clock. (but not if you spec. colored gauges)
Nov 15, 2006 2:48:18 PM
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Sorry about the "absurd"...
I think this has alot to do with individual background and cars owned over the years...
From the day I got my driver's license forward, I was an american V8 muscle & sports car driver for the most part, and most of them I'd modify for better performance.. I'm used to torquey, bare-knuckle stuff, from my 506 h.p. Saleen S351 that I still have (can haze the 295 rear tires at 50mph just rolling into the throttle in 3rd gear), to my modded C4 Corvette that I used to have that (with mods) had massive torque kicking from the slightest toe-in, to my '69 Boss 429 that accelerates stronger than my 997S in the 1st half-inch of throttle, and is as instant and brutal as an electric motor.
I jump into my Porsche, and it's a different world. I LOVE IT, mind you, but in my perspective, it's such an absolute kitten in traffic, even with the Sport button on. I have no problem modulating it, in fact, I'd like more immediacy, the car still takes far longer to wind-up and power-up than anything else I've driven regularly...
For those who have always been in the European sports car scene, what you're used to when it comes to throttle response is probably polar-opposite to what I'm conditioned to...
That's why I stated earlier that there's no wrong or right, just what you like. You've got to test drive a sport-chrono car, play around with the button in both settings, and see what's most most comfortable and/or fun.
For those who complain of the 997S being too frisky in traffic with the sport button on, you should test drive a Viper for frame-of-reference!!!
I think this has alot to do with individual background and cars owned over the years...
From the day I got my driver's license forward, I was an american V8 muscle & sports car driver for the most part, and most of them I'd modify for better performance.. I'm used to torquey, bare-knuckle stuff, from my 506 h.p. Saleen S351 that I still have (can haze the 295 rear tires at 50mph just rolling into the throttle in 3rd gear), to my modded C4 Corvette that I used to have that (with mods) had massive torque kicking from the slightest toe-in, to my '69 Boss 429 that accelerates stronger than my 997S in the 1st half-inch of throttle, and is as instant and brutal as an electric motor.
I jump into my Porsche, and it's a different world. I LOVE IT, mind you, but in my perspective, it's such an absolute kitten in traffic, even with the Sport button on. I have no problem modulating it, in fact, I'd like more immediacy, the car still takes far longer to wind-up and power-up than anything else I've driven regularly...
For those who have always been in the European sports car scene, what you're used to when it comes to throttle response is probably polar-opposite to what I'm conditioned to...
That's why I stated earlier that there's no wrong or right, just what you like. You've got to test drive a sport-chrono car, play around with the button in both settings, and see what's most most comfortable and/or fun.
For those who complain of the 997S being too frisky in traffic with the sport button on, you should test drive a Viper for frame-of-reference!!!
Nov 15, 2006 3:10:35 PM
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
At least with SC you have a choice of settings. I personally prefer the 'sharper' response if only because heel and toeing is much easier since they changed the pedal box from the 996. It was easier to heel and toe in a 996 because the accelerator pedal was closer to the brake pedal. So I wouldn't buy a 997 without it unless they moved pedals back to the same relationship as per the 996.
And frankly IMHO it doesn't feel that sharp in 'on' compared to any modern superbike either
What they should do is map it as per SC 'on' for the first half of the travel then give us the other missing 50hp it needs for the second half of the travel when they release 2008 m.y.
And frankly IMHO it doesn't feel that sharp in 'on' compared to any modern superbike either
What they should do is map it as per SC 'on' for the first half of the travel then give us the other missing 50hp it needs for the second half of the travel when they release 2008 m.y.
Nov 15, 2006 3:21:41 PM
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@boss - Too bad there's not more rear weight distribution to get the power down on the S351...but that's what makes those cars fun. Almost 20 years ago my moderately built (.030 over 350; 284 duration; forget the lift) 68 Camaro SS (fake) was much more fun (unless your on a track) than my 997S because you could break the rears loose whenever you wanted and it put PSE to shame. Last week I drove a Superformance Cobra with a 550hp/500ft-lb Roush engine and I may just have to buy one this Spring. Got back in my kitten and drove away with a brochure.
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Re: Chrono option - do I really need it?
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jerrygee said:
I opted not to include the Sport Chrono when I ordered my 997S.
I prefer linear throttles and don't care for the stop watch on the dash. I do like some of the features of Sport Chrono but the front loaded throttle mapping and in my opinion unsightly stop watch on an otherwise clean dash plus the fact that it doesn't add any power or performance (only the allusion of better performance) was enough for me to pass on the option.
As far as resale, if I would have been concerned about that I wouldn't have added close to $46,000 in options that I wanted, not what I thought the next guy who gets the car may want.
I envy you. I wish I could forget about the dollars and just enjoy the car. My rational side and emotional side argue constantly. Your well equipped 997 must be a dream.
Exactly!
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Quote:forgotten
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Sorry about the "absurd"...
Quote:i was never in the muscle car scene.
69bossnine said:I think this has alot to do with individual background and cars owned over the years...
From the day I got my driver's license forward, I was an american V8 muscle & sports car driver for the most part, and most of them I'd modify for better performance.. I'm used to torquey, bare-knuckle stuff, from my 506 h.p. Saleen S351 that I still have (can haze the 295 rear tires at 50mph just rolling into the throttle in 3rd gear), to my modded C4 Corvette that I used to have that (with mods) had massive torque kicking from the slightest toe-in, to my '69 Boss 429 that accelerates stronger than my 997S in the 1st half-inch of throttle, and is as instant and brutal as an electric motor.
I jump into my Porsche, and it's a different world. I LOVE IT, mind you, but in my perspective, it's such an absolute kitten in traffic, even with the Sport button on. I have no problem modulating it, in fact, I'd like more immediacy, the car still takes far longer to wind-up and power-up than anything else I've driven regularly...
looking for my 11th porsche.
been driving them since i got my license with a few bmw's thrown in as well.
the only time the sport mode really bothers me is heel toeing which i am admittedly not an old pro at matching revs.
unlike john999s i find the sport mode more problematic for heel toe.
but i do like the sportbikes john!
but it looks like your side presented the more compelling argument since he ended up purschasing the option
best of luck blacksparrow!
getting a great car either way!
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Nov 16, 2006 12:32:17 PM
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Ferrari F1 and throttle <was: Chrono option?>
Every time I hear the sport chrono debate, I think of this.
Has anyone seen the Fifth Gear episode where Frank Mountain goes to buy an ex-Schumacher 2002 F1 car? The engineers explain to him they have two throttle settings.
Rubens prefers the "short throttle" where the throttle comes in fast and is maxed out once the pedal is about halfway through the travel.
Schumacher, on the other hand, prefers the "long throttle" where the throttle opening covers the entire range of the pedal motion, because he can better balance the car with the wider and more gradual scale.
Mountain chooses the Schumacher setting because he thinks it'll suit him better.
Has anyone seen the Fifth Gear episode where Frank Mountain goes to buy an ex-Schumacher 2002 F1 car? The engineers explain to him they have two throttle settings.
Rubens prefers the "short throttle" where the throttle comes in fast and is maxed out once the pedal is about halfway through the travel.
Schumacher, on the other hand, prefers the "long throttle" where the throttle opening covers the entire range of the pedal motion, because he can better balance the car with the wider and more gradual scale.
Mountain chooses the Schumacher setting because he thinks it'll suit him better.
Nov 16, 2006 1:09:02 PM
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Every time I hear the sport chrono debate, I think of this.
Has anyone seen the Fifth Gear episode where Frank Mountain goes to buy an ex-Schumacher 2002 F1 car? The engineers explain to him they have two throttle settings.
Rubens prefers the "short throttle" where the throttle comes in fast and is maxed out once the pedal is about halfway through the travel.
Schumacher, on the other hand, prefers the "long throttle" where the throttle opening covers the entire range of the pedal motion, because he can better balance the car with the wider and more gradual scale.
Mountain chooses the Schumacher setting because he thinks it'll suit him better.
Yes. I saw it and thought it made sense to have it set like Schumacher. However, after seeing the graph above, I think the normal mode only delays the response after just a little pedal travel but keeps the sensitivity the same as sport. IMO, with an electronic throttle, the optimum setting would be to ramp the first 10% up to a linear setting the remaining 90%. Keep the actual travel short with no dead throttle travel.
Nov 16, 2006 1:31:01 PM
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Re: Ferrari F1 and throttle <was: Chrono option?>
I would think that your priority-set for competitive racing would be quite different than your priority-set for daily-commuting and sporting around...
Further more, c'mon, an F1 car with that kind of power/weight ratio??? LOL!!!! Even on the "long throttle" setting, the act of modulating and balancing the car would be similar to performing laser hair removal on a housefly... Touchy and unbelievably responsive..
An extreme analogy to relate to a hefty and weakling (in comparison) Porsche. Kind of like researching what attributes are preferred in Pro Bull Riding, to determine how you're going to approach riding the 25-cent pony ride in front of Wal Mart...
Further more, c'mon, an F1 car with that kind of power/weight ratio??? LOL!!!! Even on the "long throttle" setting, the act of modulating and balancing the car would be similar to performing laser hair removal on a housefly... Touchy and unbelievably responsive..
An extreme analogy to relate to a hefty and weakling (in comparison) Porsche. Kind of like researching what attributes are preferred in Pro Bull Riding, to determine how you're going to approach riding the 25-cent pony ride in front of Wal Mart...
Nov 16, 2006 3:19:33 PM
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Re: Ferrari F1 and throttle <was: Chrono option?>
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69bossnine said:
I would think that your priority-set for competitive racing would be quite different than your priority-set for daily-commuting and sporting around...
Further more, c'mon, an F1 car with that kind of power/weight ratio??? LOL!!!! Even on the "long throttle" setting, the act of modulating and balancing the car would be similar to performing laser hair removal on a housefly... Touchy and unbelievably responsive..
An extreme analogy to relate to a hefty and weakling (in comparison) Porsche. Kind of like researching what attributes are preferred in Pro Bull Riding, to determine how you're going to approach riding the 25-cent pony ride in front of Wal Mart...
Your analogies always crack me up! I'm just sayin that pedal travel without much response (front or back) is useless.
Nov 16, 2006 4:41:08 PM
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Re: Ferrari F1 and throttle <was: Chrono option?>
I'm sure that how much travel, how the torque and h.p. curves throughout the range of the travel, front-load, back-load, toe-in, and all that nonsense is the type of stuff that involve focus groups, race driver input, and engineering/marketing/product meetings ad nauseum...
Someday being able to tune your own pedal/throttle curve, including adjustable positive-stop for the pedal, would be trick as hell...
THAT'S what the Sport Chrono should offer... not a single sport button setting with a watch on the dash that nobody uses most the time, but the ability to custom-map your pedal/throttle curve, and a positive stop with a finger-operable keeper-nut to set your own travel distance...
If you're listening-in Porsche, I will require royalties.. (or just my next car free... )
Someday being able to tune your own pedal/throttle curve, including adjustable positive-stop for the pedal, would be trick as hell...
THAT'S what the Sport Chrono should offer... not a single sport button setting with a watch on the dash that nobody uses most the time, but the ability to custom-map your pedal/throttle curve, and a positive stop with a finger-operable keeper-nut to set your own travel distance...
If you're listening-in Porsche, I will require royalties.. (or just my next car free...
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Nov 16, 2006 8:52:40 PM
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Jim_in_Iowa said:Schumacher, on the other hand, prefers the "long throttle" where the throttle opening covers the entire range of the pedal motion, because he can better balance the car with the wider and more gradual scale.
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Someday being able to tune your own pedal/throttle curve, including adjustable positive-stop for the pedal, would be trick as hell...
THAT'S what the Sport Chrono should offer... not a single sport button setting with a watch on the dash that nobody uses most the time, but the ability to custom-map your pedal/throttle curve, and a positive stop with a finger-operable keeper-nut to set your own travel distance...
If you're listening-in Porsche, I will require royalties.. (or just my next car free...
say what?
now your going to steal my idea?
free car comes to me porsche!
make it a 997gt3rs
jeff
Nov 20, 2006 3:20:16 AM
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I think that porsche should offer a separate button for the psm threshold and that should be stock. I initially thought i would like the sport throtthle but really only need the higher threshold, not so much the remapped throttle.
I completely agree.
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