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Oct 29, 2006 8:06:31 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3252, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006

911 GT2 launch date ?

I've decided to give up my slot(911 Turbo) for someone else after a very long wait (7months) and decided to go for the Ultimate 911 the GT2.

Is it true that Porsche will launch the GT2 by December '06 ? any new pics of the car in the flesh without covered up tapes ? I was told by my dealer late 2008 if not March 2009

Tired of waiting

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Oct 29, 2006 10:01:55 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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AMA said:
I've decided to give up my slot(911 Turbo) for someone else after a very long wait (7months) and decided to go for the Ultimate 911 the GT2.

Is it true that Porsche will launch the GT2 by December '06 ? any new pics of the car in the flesh without covered up tapes ? I was told by my dealer late 2008 if not March 2009

Tired of waiting

Based on rumours and information I gathered (I also considered the 997GT2 once...) I would not expect deliveries of the GT2 prior to calendar year 2008.

Also, I am not convinced that the car will be as good as some expect. Just look at the 997TT and compare it to the hopes and expectations we had before it was introduced

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Oct 29, 2006 6:03:21 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

I have heard that the new 997 GT2 will be shown by porsche by dec 2006. So we are going to learn everything for this car by then. Now for delivery of the first cars i hope about April 07...

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Oct 29, 2006 6:10:28 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

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Also, I am not convinced that the car will be as good as some expect. Just look at the 997TT and compare it to the hopes and expectations we had before it was introduced

Markus, I'm a little bit surprised. What hopes and expectations did we have? If I'm not mistaken, we posted about half a year or so before the official announcement of the 997 Turbo the final horsepower figure.
Otherwise, the 997 Turbo is a blast to drive and considering it's price tag, almost a bargain (with the exception of the Z06 of course but this wouldn't be a car I could drive in Bavaria for various reasons). Of course I expected a little bit more but only because I'm an optimist. The 997 Turbo is in some points better than the direct competition, especially as a daily driver, it just isn't MUCH better than the competition and this is what I criticized in the past.

The 997 GT2 is rumored to get around 520 HP and aprox. 70-80 kg less weight compared to the 997 Turbo.
The 0-200 kph acceleration time is rumored to be in the 11 seconds range, top speed is rumored at 320 kph.
Price tag should be in the 180000 Euro range.

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Oct 29, 2006 6:23:22 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: RC

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Also, I am not convinced that the car will be as good as some expect. Just look at the 997TT and compare it to the hopes and expectations we had before it was introduced

Markus, I'm a little bit surprised. What hopes and expectations did we have? If I'm not mistaken, we posted about half a year or so before the official announcement of the 997 Turbo the final horsepower figure.
Otherwise, the 997 Turbo is a blast to drive and considering it's price tag, almost a bargain (with the exception of the Z06 of course but this wouldn't be a car I could drive in Bavaria for various reasons). Of course I expected a little bit more but only because I'm an optimist. The 997 Turbo is in some points better than the direct competition, especially as a daily driver, it just isn't MUCH better than the competition and this is what I criticized in the past.

The 997 GT2 is rumored to get around 520 HP and aprox. 70-80 kg less weight compared to the 997 Turbo.
The 0-200 kph acceleration time is rumored to be in the 11 seconds range, top speed is rumored at 320 kph.
Price tag should be in the 180000 Euro range.

Of course, the 997TT is a nice car. I just had hoped for more.

Maybe my expectations where too high. I had hoped that the 997TT would again set a benchmark in its class. Today, it is clear that it has not done that. The competitors are as fast (acceleration & track) as the 997TT

That is the reason for my frustration. Also, no PK and GT2 in sight

Porsche has nothing to offer me, that makes me really disappointed

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Oct 29, 2006 6:31:11 PM

cnc: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 197, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 21, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

From what I hear they are still having trouble getting all the power to the ground and have it outperform the TT, so it will be awhile, I think. There is a school of thought that says anything over 500HP (that is not too heavy) really requires all wheel drive.

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Oct 29, 2006 6:34:37 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

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That is the reason for my frustration. Also, no PK and GT2 in sight Porsche has nothing to offer me, that makes me really disappointed

There are three possibilities:

1. getting a 997 Turbo and tuning it to 550 HP or so, more than sufficient for street usage (0-200 kph in 10.8 seconds, 0-300 kph in less than 31 seconds).

2. waiting for the powerkit or the GT2. The GT2 is expected sometimes next year or latest 2008, the powerkit slightly earlier.

3. buying a F599

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Oct 29, 2006 6:36:42 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: cnc

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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From what I hear they are still having trouble getting all the power to the ground and have it outperform the TT, so it will be awhile, I think. There is a school of thought that says anything over 500HP (that is not too heavy) really requires all wheel drive.

I font believe that. Enzo, CGT, F599, SLR, Z06 and So many more cars dont have any problem like that...

I strongly believe that the new GT2 is ready. They just wait a little bit in order not to introduce all new models together... (The just introduced the new 997 Targa...)

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Oct 29, 2006 6:46:44 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: RC

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That is the reason for my frustration. Also, no PK and GT2 in sight Porsche has nothing to offer me, that makes me really disappointed

There are three possibilities:

1. getting a 997 Turbo and tuning it to 550 HP or so, more than sufficient for street usage (0-200 kph in 10.8 seconds, 0-300 kph in less than 31 seconds).

2. waiting for the powerkit or the GT2. The GT2 is expected sometimes next year or latest 2008, the powerkit slightly earlier.

3. buying a F599

Your anaylsis is spot on.

Solution 1 has a major draw-back: it voids the Porsche warranty. I am not prepared to take the risk (on a brand-new car) as I drive the car quite a lot (ca. 25,000km p.a.) - Porsche should be prepared to offer an adequately engined car to me as a customer (without the neccessity for tuning the moment it leaves the factory)...

Solution 2: I have considered it again and again. I must admit that I have been very much annoyed by Porsche on this... The dealer, representatives of Porsche - anybody can tell you anything on PK and GT2. As a customer I will not accept this. They lost me...

... to Solution 3

P.S.: I would have loved to own a new (possibly white...) 997TTS with close to 540hp knowing that this car is capable of doing the NBR in 7:40 on street tires (faster than Z06 and the other so called "competitors" (

) and a HHR time of around 1:11. Also, I would have liked the thought of being capable of doing 0-300 in less than 35s. Just dreaming a perfect dream...

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Oct 29, 2006 6:46:46 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59590, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Nick_Athens

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I strongly believe that the new GT2 is ready. They just wait a little bit in order not to introduce all new models together... (The just introduced the new 997 Targa...)

It isn't...but the powerkit seems to be.

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Oct 29, 2006 6:53:21 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: RC

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I strongly believe that the new GT2 is ready. They just wait a little bit in order not to introduce all new models together... (The just introduced the new 997 Targa...)

It isn't...but the powerkit seems to be.

The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

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Oct 29, 2006 7:26:27 PM

mp: Pilot; Loc: New York, USA; Posts: 361, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 4, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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I strongly believe that the new GT2 is ready. They just wait a little bit in order not to introduce all new models together... (The just introduced the new 997 Targa...)

It isn't...but the powerkit seems to be.

The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

1. IMO the 599 can't be compared to the 997tt, based on price.
2. The 997tt is about as fast as the 996GT2 for significantly less money.
3. I read somewhere on this forum that it can also lap Porsche's test track faster than the CGT (and most likely the 996GT2) due to its better traction.

While most of us would have liked it to be faster than the competition, that is no longer a feasable reality in today's automotive environment.

We are talking about a vehicle which is about 2.5 seconds faster from 0-200kmh than the outgoing model!!

Besides the Z06, you simply can't get a superior performance vehicle for the money. And when evaluating its total performance package, including winter driving conditions, it's hard to beat -- period!

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Oct 29, 2006 7:45:11 PM

bostonmini: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 924, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2003; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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I strongly believe that the new GT2 is ready. They just wait a little bit in order not to introduce all new models together... (The just introduced the new 997 Targa...)

It isn't...but the powerkit seems to be.

The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

This powerkit has to add more than 40 HP no? would that even be noticeable on a car that has near 500 stock? I think 550 is what it should be, esp for what they charge! incidentally, I wonder if the PK will include diff. turbos as the 996 version did...

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Oct 29, 2006 8:17:17 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3252, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: bostonmini

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Does the TT sound anything like this ?

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/11/s...ies-new-bmw-m3/

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Oct 29, 2006 8:18:58 PM

svtrader1: Veteran; Loc:; Posts: 821, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2003; Reply to: RC

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Price tag should be in the 180000 Euro range.

So, Porcshe doesn't plan on selling that many GT2s? Looks like the same mistake as the 996gt2.

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Oct 29, 2006 8:28:09 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: svtrader1

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Price tag should be in the 180000 Euro range.

So, Porcshe doesn't plan on selling that many GT2s? Looks like the same mistake as the 996gt2.

I thought the main draw of Ferraris was the fact that there weren't as many on the road. I'd say this is a good move. I wonder how it will stack up against the F430 successor...

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Oct 29, 2006 8:45:05 PM

Hurst: Veteran; Loc: Potomac, MD; Posts: 1255, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 15, 2005; Reply to: Crash

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I think the problem many people face with the 997TT is that Porsche decided to upgrade the 997 compared to the 996 (most notably 996 GT2 performance) rather than compared to the competition.

The landscape in the competition has changed gravely, while Porsche has stuck to the same process of refinement. Many of the purported technological advancements/features of the new Turbo (VTG, PASM/PSM/EAWD integration) really have not lived up to their marketing hype (or the competition's respective technologies a la Ediff, ectromag. susp, seq. gearboxes, maniteno, etc...).

The 997 Turbo is a great car but clearly not the best of cars.

IMHO, for a company to put out a product in this bracket that blows away the compeition (a la z06) is more of an indication of the company's desperation within the market segment because nuances seem to sell all of the cars in this segment, not sheer performance (F430 stylistic, Gallardo stylistics, Turbo all-around usage, Sl55 comfort etc)...

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Oct 29, 2006 8:48:32 PM

Hurst: Veteran; Loc: Potomac, MD; Posts: 1255, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 15, 2005; Reply to: Hurst

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notta benna: I don't think we should expect all-out performance from the base 997 Turbo (funny how the Turbo is now "base") because Porsche has also decided to parlay the Turbo line into its various segments (Powerkit, Turbo S, GT2).
I think its a profitable but dubious long term strategy, albeit it offers a lot of flexibility for the various consumer groups. The wait, though, seems to be killing many prospective buyers as the competition seems to unveil new gems constantly...

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Oct 29, 2006 9:49:03 PM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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I strongly believe that the new GT2 is ready. They just wait a little bit in order not to introduce all new models together... (The just introduced the new 997 Targa...)

It isn't...but the powerkit seems to be.

Tell me when it will be introduced and I WILL order a 997tt.

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Oct 29, 2006 10:02:49 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: Nick_Athens

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I strongly believe that the new GT2 is ready. They just wait a little bit in order not to introduce all new models together... (The just introduced the new 997 Targa...)

It isn't...but the powerkit seems to be.

Tell me when it will be introduced and I WILL order a 997tt.

My (wild) guess is:

997GT2 spring 2007,
997TTCab summer 2007
997TT-PK 2008,
997TTSCoupe and Cab 2009

PDK-Only God knows.

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Oct 29, 2006 10:34:58 PM

icon: Pilot; Loc: birmingham.al.usa.na; Posts: 442, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

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Oct 30, 2006 9:05:57 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: icon

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

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Oct 30, 2006 12:53:39 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

I think it's safe to say that the GT2 won't be any faster than the 599 up to 200 km/h and very likely slower above that. If you can afford the 599, why wait? You've made the right choice.

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Oct 30, 2006 12:57:34 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Crash

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

I think it's safe to say that the GT2 won't be any faster than the 599 up to 200 km/h and very likely slower above that. If you can afford the 599, why wait? You've made the right choice.

Absolutely! The lack of PSM alone would make the GT2 a no-go for me

I would have loved a GT2 with 540hp and PSM. That would have been a highly attractive package. I think, I would have even preferred it to the 599GTB. However, all this is wishful thinking. There will be no GT2 with 540hp and PSM

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Oct 30, 2006 1:16:05 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

I think it's safe to say that the GT2 won't be any faster than the 599 up to 200 km/h and very likely slower above that. If you can afford the 599, why wait? You've made the right choice.

Absolutely! The lack of PSM alone would make the GT2 a no-go for me

I would have loved a GT2 with 540hp and PSM. That would have been a highly attractive package. I think, I would have even preferred it to the 599GTB. However, all this is wishful thinking. There will be no GT2 with 540hp and PSM

I'd say the PSM is still somewhere in the air, while the 540 bhp figure definitely isn't happening. Maybe for the Mk2, once the 430 successor comes out. Anyway, the 599 is a superb machine and I think you'll be very happy with it

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Oct 30, 2006 1:25:09 PM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Crash

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

I think it's safe to say that the GT2 won't be any faster than the 599 up to 200 km/h and very likely slower above that. If you can afford the 599, why wait? You've made the right choice.

Absolutely! The lack of PSM alone would make the GT2 a no-go for me

I would have loved a GT2 with 540hp and PSM. That would have been a highly attractive package. I think, I would have even preferred it to the 599GTB. However, all this is wishful thinking. There will be no GT2 with 540hp and PSM

I'd say the PSM is still somewhere in the air, while the 540 bhp figure definitely isn't happening. Maybe for the Mk2, once the 430 successor comes out. Anyway, the 599 is a superb machine and I think you'll be very happy with it .

Unfortunately, all signals I have received from Porsche (dealerships, Zuffenhausen, Weissach) indicate that there will be no PSM available for the GT2

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Oct 30, 2006 1:56:46 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: MKSGR

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

I think it's safe to say that the GT2 won't be any faster than the 599 up to 200 km/h and very likely slower above that. If you can afford the 599, why wait? You've made the right choice.

Absolutely! The lack of PSM alone would make the GT2 a no-go for me

I would have loved a GT2 with 540hp and PSM. That would have been a highly attractive package. I think, I would have even preferred it to the 599GTB. However, all this is wishful thinking. There will be no GT2 with 540hp and PSM

I'd say the PSM is still somewhere in the air, while the 540 bhp figure definitely isn't happening. Maybe for the Mk2, once the 430 successor comes out. Anyway, the 599 is a superb machine and I think you'll be very happy with it .

Unfortunately, all signals I have received from Porsche (dealerships, Zuffenhausen, Weissach) indicate that there will be no PSM available for the GT2

In that case, the 599 is a no-brainer. Nobody in their right mind would be stupid enough to risk being splattered on the guardrail because of an overcorrection when some braindead tourist decided to turn off the highway at the town of Ausfahrt, at high speed, and ask for directions

. Not installing stability control in the car would be a huge mistake.

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Oct 30, 2006 2:34:46 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: Crash

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MKSGR said:The only piece of information I was able to extract from these guys is that PK will be delivered not before 2008. That was the final piece of information I needed before signing the 599GTB contract

markus,
but you are only signing a contract for purchase.
not my business but isn't est. delivery a ways out?
wouldnt there still be a possibility of a gt2 pk b/f the 599 delivery?
jeff

Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

I think it's safe to say that the GT2 won't be any faster than the 599 up to 200 km/h and very likely slower above that. If you can afford the 599, why wait? You've made the right choice.

Absolutely! The lack of PSM alone would make the GT2 a no-go for me

I would have loved a GT2 with 540hp and PSM. That would have been a highly attractive package. I think, I would have even preferred it to the 599GTB. However, all this is wishful thinking. There will be no GT2 with 540hp and PSM

I'd say the PSM is still somewhere in the air, while the 540 bhp figure definitely isn't happening. Maybe for the Mk2, once the 430 successor comes out. Anyway, the 599 is a superb machine and I think you'll be very happy with it .

Unfortunately, all signals I have received from Porsche (dealerships, Zuffenhausen, Weissach) indicate that there will be no PSM available for the GT2

In that case, the 599 is a no-brainer. Nobody in their right mind would be stupid enough to risk being splattered on the guardrail because of an overcorrection when some braindead tourist decided to turn off the highway at the town of Ausfahrt, at high speed, and ask for directions . Not installing stability control in the car would be a huge mistake.

I presume this implies that PSM didn't work out on the RWD setup and that PAG marketing is targeting the car to the small buyer pool for this car. As for HP figures, the car would be attractive even to me if the low-500 peak HP spec. would be in a vehicle weighing less than 3,000 lb., which could be achieved with reduction of insulation and use of lighter materials, the former would take away its "daily driveability" and the latter would add expense, but its target market is small to begin with anyway....

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Oct 30, 2006 3:54:46 PM

Crash: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Never been to , Antarctica; Posts: 8287, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 17, 2002; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

Heck, even 3100 lbs (which IMO is perfectly achievable) would be good for 520 bhp. Faster than the Z06 in all speed ranges, I'd say that would be enough for most people(although I have my reservations about you

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Oct 30, 2006 6:32:02 PM

icon: Pilot; Loc: birmingham.al.usa.na; Posts: 442, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 13, 2006; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: 911 GT2 launch date ?

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MKSGR said:
Hi Jeff,

in fact, based on my sources, I do not expect first deliveries of PK before calendar year 2008. Also, the GT2 will (most likely) come without PSM (i.e. no car for me then).

On that basis and on the basis of my test drive experience with the 599GTB I have concluded that the 599GTB is the best car for me at this point of time

oh, there's no doubt the 599 is a fantastic automobile.
i would prefer the 599 over the gt2 myself.
hope the wait goes by fast

jeff

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