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Aug 18, 2017 4:46:15 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: the-missile

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Aesthetically it will take some getting used to, I do not like the look at all, looks weird, like flimsy, but like I said, its just not being used to CF being used for wheels, I'm sure that will change as we get used to them in time. Don't think they will age well though on the exterior... looks like it will scratch easy with the road debris

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Aug 18, 2017 4:53:55 PM

martini964: Veteran; Loc: Toronto , Canada; Posts: 853, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 1, 2014; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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Its not just look, I think even you would be more cautious not damaging it while driving,which I think will kill the enjoyment. I never put them on mine

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Aug 18, 2017 5:01:49 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: martini964

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martini964:
Its not just look, I think even you would be more cautious not damaging it while driving,which I think will kill the enjoyment. I never put them on mine

Porsche claims these are 20% stronger than Aluminum alloy wheels...

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Aug 18, 2017 5:05:17 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Grant

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I believe everyone else, including dymag, koenigsegg, and ford all use carbon sheets to form the barrel. Porsche is the first to weave it. The weaving process is what makes them better and stronger.

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Aug 18, 2017 5:11:05 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
I believe everyone else, including dymag, koenigsegg, and ford all use carbon sheets to form the barrel. Porsche is the first to weave it. The weaving process is what makes them better and stronger.

Looks like an impressive systems. They definitely did not spend on the equipment in order to just build a few sets for one low production model. I think these will become optional on new GT models in fairly short time (maybe GT3 RS), if they don't have any problems with the ones on the Turbo S Exclusive.

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Aug 18, 2017 5:11:43 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

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Grant:
martini964:
Its not just look, I think even you would be more cautious not damaging it while driving,which I think will kill the enjoyment. I never put them on mine

Porsche claims these are 20% stronger than Aluminum alloy wheels...

I am not mechanically inclined but why does it matter if a wheel is stronger? In all my years with high performance cars I have never known an instance when a wheel failed. Smiley

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Aug 18, 2017 5:17:18 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:

I am not mechanically inclined but why does it matter if a wheel is stronger? In all my years with high performance cars I have never known an instance when a wheel failed.

It's pretty common for wheels to bend and/or break, particularly at the track. Especially when using lightweight track wheels (Magnesium wheels are notoriously susceptible to failure, as the material is very brittle - they should be retired after a maximum number of hours or years, whichever comes first), wheel strength is critical. Stiffness also plays a role in performance, and CF is much stiffer than metal...

With track performance, light wheels are a big deal. One of the ways wheels are made lighter is to use less material - it's always a trade-off between weight and strength...

BTW, the GT3 wheels have a reputation for bending very easily (even though Forged alloy).

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Aug 18, 2017 5:42:38 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: Grant

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I dont see them to be proposed yet on the RS, rear RS are 21''

this is a 20'' set...let's hope for the GT3 first smiley maybe through exclusive first.

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Aug 18, 2017 5:45:56 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: the-missile

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the-missile:
I dont see them to be proposed yet on the RS, rear RS are 21''

this is a 20'' set...let's hope for the GT3 first maybe through exclusive first.

These wheels really shouldn't be that expensive on a new Porsche (where you can option them from new as only wheels). Since you are only then paying the extra amount more than the standard alloy wheels cost. I could imagine the option being around $6k. Sort of like PCCB option is only $8k, but buying new rotors costs $20k when buying them separately...

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Aug 18, 2017 5:54:52 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Grant

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Grant:
Whoopsy:
I believe everyone else, including dymag, koenigsegg, and ford all use carbon sheets to form the barrel. Porsche is the first to weave it. The weaving process is what makes them better and stronger.

Looks like an impressive systems. They definitely did not spend on the equipment in order to just build a few sets for one low production model. I think these will become optional on new GT models in fairly short time (maybe GT3 RS), if they don't have any problems with the ones on the Turbo S Exclusive.

Both correct. Braiding CF is the process used to form tubular sections without interuptions. Other manufacturers use fabric that they fold around a mandrel, and you're bound to have a seem/buttjoint somewhere. With braiding machines this isnt't the case, as the tubular section is formed as you go. This results in a barrel section without interruptions and so without any weak spots. It also allows for the omission of material that would otherwise be needed to cover for these weak spots.

Very impressive indeed, and typical Porsche: they're not the first, but they certainly do improve on the existing techniques... awesome! Anybody know what type of resin is used btw?

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Aug 18, 2017 5:55:21 PM

JR-550: Pilot; Loc: Belgium , Belgium; Posts: 354, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2005; Reply to: Grant

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An other new option at Porsche special new color "Chromaflair" option of 80.000 Euro ! Only 5 (per year) fortunate Porsche fans are able to buy one!

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/news/porsche-lackierung-chromaflair-preis-fakten-12455430.html

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Aug 18, 2017 6:39:34 PM

DaveC: Veteran; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 1068, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2005; Reply to: Grant

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Grant:
Whoopsy:
I believe everyone else, including dymag, koenigsegg, and ford all use carbon sheets to form the barrel. Porsche is the first to weave it. The weaving process is what makes them better and stronger.

Looks like an impressive systems. They definitely did not spend on the equipment in order to just build a few sets for one low production model. I think these will become optional on new GT models in fairly short time (maybe GT3 RS), if they don't have any problems with the ones on the Turbo S Exclusive.

Yes, I agree. Way too much investment for just a few sets that may or not be taken by the Turbo customers.

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Aug 18, 2017 7:07:21 PM

Mithras: Expert; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1981, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 16, 2005; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:
Grant:
martini964:
Its not just look, I think even you would be more cautious not damaging it while driving,which I think will kill the enjoyment. I never put them on mine

Porsche claims these are 20% stronger than Aluminum alloy wheels...

I am not mechanically inclined but why does it matter if a wheel is stronger? In all my years with high performance cars I have never known an instance when a wheel failed.

I had a wheel break at the beginning of a long double apex turn on a track (turn 2 at Mosport which Jacky Ickx called the most dangerous corner in motorsport). It was not a fun experience.

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Aug 18, 2017 7:17:28 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Mithras

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Awesome. Anyone know if these were developed in-house, or maybe with the Aussie company who Ford worked with?

I was very surprised to see a set of Dymags on the BAC Mono I looked at a few weeks back - thought they had gone out of business.

Would love a set of CF wheels after experiencing the difference the set of light wheels made to my Boxster.

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Aug 18, 2017 8:33:07 PM

nberry: Rennteam VIP; Loc: La Jolla, USA , United States; Posts: 13737, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Grant

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Grant:
nberry:

I am not mechanically inclined but why does it matter if a wheel is stronger? In all my years with high performance cars I have never known an instance when a wheel failed.

It's pretty common for wheels to bend and/or break, particularly at the track. Especially when using lightweight track wheels (Magnesium wheels are notoriously susceptible to failure, as the material is very brittle - they should be retired after a maximum number of hours or years, whichever comes first), wheel strength is critical. Stiffness also plays a role in performance, and CF is much stiffer than metal...

With track performance, light wheels are a big deal. One of the ways wheels are made lighter is to use less material - it's always a trade-off between weight and strength...

BTW, the GT3 wheels have a reputation for bending very easily (even though Forged alloy).

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Grant, thanks. I have attended many driving schools and I have yet to hear this discussed or being a problem while the participants drove the track. I guess you learn something new everyday. Smiley

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Aug 18, 2017 10:28:55 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: nberry

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nberry:
Grant, thanks. I have attended many driving schools and I have yet to hear this discussed or being a problem while the participants drove the track. I guess you learn something new everyday.

One of the track wheels for my Evo has broken 3 times (welded twice and finally discarded once - no replacements available)

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Aug 19, 2017 6:07:12 AM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: DaveGordon

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DaveGordon:
Awesome. Anyone know if these were developed in-house, or maybe with the Aussie company who Ford worked with?

I was very surprised to see a set of Dymags on the BAC Mono I looked at a few weeks back - thought they had gone out of business.

Would love a set of CF wheels after experiencing the difference the set of light wheels made to my Boxster.

This is done completely in-house with a giant 9m diameter arch. Smiley

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Aug 19, 2017 8:37:45 AM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: DaveGordon

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DaveGordon:
Awesome. Anyone know if these were developed in-house, or maybe with the Aussie company who Ford worked with?

I was very surprised to see a set of Dymags on the BAC Mono I looked at a few weeks back - thought they had gone out of business.

Would love a set of CF wheels after experiencing the difference the set of light wheels made to my Boxster.

The BBS Magnesium wheels Manthey is currently testing on their GT3 would be the better option I reckon, lighter and easier on the eye imo.

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Aug 19, 2017 2:04:32 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Porker

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Porker:
The BBS Magnesium wheels Manthey is currently testing on their GT3 would be the better option I reckon, lighter and easier on the eye imo.

Those Mag wheels are certainly prettier, but they are more expensive and more easily prone to damage. Mag wheels don't last very long and one pothole can destroy the barrel. They are much weaker than Aluminum and if Porsche is being truthful about the CF ones being 20% stronger than Alu, then there is a huge strength advantage for them over Mag. Would be a good choice for track driving where there are lots of curbs for instance.

I don't think I would buy BBS Mag wheels instead of these CF ones, but I would consider BBS Aluminum ones (look same as Mag, half the price of Mag, much stronger and longer lasting than Mag, but unfortunately heavier).

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Aug 19, 2017 2:05:42 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6920, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: Grant

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Agree that the Porsche wheels are not pretty. Was not going to say it since, coming from me...

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Aug 19, 2017 2:41:19 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Leawood911

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I actually really like them. They look what they are: CF wheels...

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Aug 19, 2017 3:04:34 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Porker

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Porker:
DaveGordon:
Awesome. Anyone know if these were developed in-house, or maybe with the Aussie company who Ford worked with?

I was very surprised to see a set of Dymags on the BAC Mono I looked at a few weeks back - thought they had gone out of business.

Would love a set of CF wheels after experiencing the difference the set of light wheels made to my Boxster.

The BBS Magnesium wheels Manthey is currently testing on their GT3 would be the better option I reckon, lighter and easier on the eye imo.

Agree the BBS are prettier, but the Porsche ones would have the advantage of being a 'factory' part - would be easier with the Swiss Fun Police. I think the Turbo has the same sizes as GT3 - winters are certainly the same.

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Aug 19, 2017 3:27:30 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

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DaveGordon:
Porker:
DaveGordon:
Awesome. Anyone know if these were developed in-house, or maybe with the Aussie company who Ford worked with?

I was very surprised to see a set of Dymags on the BAC Mono I looked at a few weeks back - thought they had gone out of business.

Would love a set of CF wheels after experiencing the difference the set of light wheels made to my Boxster.

The BBS Magnesium wheels Manthey is currently testing on their GT3 would be the better option I reckon, lighter and easier on the eye imo.

Agree the BBS are prettier, but the Porsche ones would have the advantage of being a 'factory' part - would be easier with the Swiss Fun Police. I think the Turbo has the same sizes as GT3 - winters are certainly the same.

Unfortunately, the Turbo rear are only 11.5" and GT3 are 12"

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Aug 19, 2017 3:51:43 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Grant

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Damn. Could use them for winters I guess

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Aug 19, 2017 4:59:09 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: DaveGordon

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well they are maybe 11.5" against 12'' but for both 305 tyres will fit heart Turbo cars are 305 at the rear same as GT3.

what could be the trick to put them?

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Aug 19, 2017 5:02:04 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: the-missile

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Cool but kinda ugly. Maybe you could get them tinted/painted silver?

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Aug 19, 2017 5:42:19 PM

the-missile: Rennteam Master; Loc: The World , France; Posts: 3484, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2014; Reply to: noone1

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they already propose a gold lining in the carbon fiber of the Exclusive Series.

I believe it will not take long before Porsche offers multiple carbon fiber colors and elements...

those past months introduced a lot of carbon fiber new parts.

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Aug 19, 2017 6:54:17 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12586, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: the-missile

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the-missile:
well they are maybe 11.5" against 12'' but for both 305 tyres will fit Turbo cars are 305 at the rear same as GT3.

what could be the trick to put them?

Yes, but Cup tires work best with wide wheels...

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Aug 19, 2017 8:39:28 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: Grant

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Off the top of my head, I believe the offset are different between the Turbo and GT3. The front for sure with the 4wd system.

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Aug 19, 2017 9:06:16 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Can't be much different as the winter wheel set offered by Porsche fitted both Turbo and GT3. The rear wheels were slightly narrower than the standard GT3's - as people have mentioned.

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