Crown

Thanks for posting. The sound is epic 

crayphile:

Thanks for posting. The sound is epic 

+1  It will be a shame if it's replaced with the slightly more powerful V8TT from the Urus...

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Grant:

crayphile:

Thanks for posting. The sound is epic 

+1  It will be a shame if it's replaced with the slightly more powerful V8TT from the Urus...

I do not think it gets the Urus V8... 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

RC:

Grant:

crayphile:

Thanks for posting. The sound is epic 

+1  It will be a shame if it's replaced with the slightly more powerful V8TT from the Urus...

I do not think it gets the Urus V8... 

You think Lambo sports cars stay NA indefinitely?

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Grant:

RC:

Grant:

crayphile:

Thanks for posting. The sound is epic 

+1  It will be a shame if it's replaced with the slightly more powerful V8TT from the Urus...

I do not think it gets the Urus V8... 

You think Lambo sports cars stay NA indefinitely?

I guess you missed a couple of posts of mine regarding the future of the Huracan... 

The Huracan will loose the V10, the V12 in the Aventador stays for a while.

Not sure however if the V8 Biturbo from the Urus will find it's way into the Huracan. There are rumors that Porsche is working on a new V8 Biturbo for sportscars like the Huracan, R8 and..."960".

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/lamborghini/huracan/lp-640-4-performante-2dr-ldf/first-drive

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/lamborghini/huracan/99528/lamborghini-huracan-performante-2017-review

RC:

Not sure however if the V8 Biturbo from the Urus will find it's way into the Huracan. There are rumors that Porsche is working on a new V8 Biturbo for sportscars like the Huracan, R8 and..."960".

OK, so if Huracan doesn't get the Urus motor then it gets one that is substantially similar?

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Grant:

RC:

Not sure however if the V8 Biturbo from the Urus will find it's way into the Huracan. There are rumors that Porsche is working on a new V8 Biturbo for sportscars like the Huracan, R8 and..."960".

OK, so if Huracan doesn't get the Urus motor then it gets one that is substantially similar?

The Urus gets the V8 from the next gen Cayenne...RSQ7...

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

That's the current engine from the Panamera, right? 

RSQ7? They don't make a RS8 because it's not suitable for a luxury limousine to have the RS badge but the Q7 is suitable for it? 

RS 991:

That's the current engine from the Panamera, right? 

RSQ7? They don't make a RS8 because it's not suitable for a luxury limousine to have the RS badge but the Q7 is suitable for it? 

RSQ5...RSQ3...I don't really get your point.  Also, there is a rumor that a RS8 will come (next gen soon to be announced)

Audi needs the RSQ7 because SQ7 sales apparently have slowed down. People avoid Diesel cars lately...

Btw: I drive a SQ7 right now, what a fantastic SUV. Only thing I do not like is the tire choice...Hancook tires, not very sporty for the "sportiest" Q7 version. The sound is fantastic for a Diesel SUV, very 8-cyl. like.

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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/lamborghini/huracán/first-drives/lamborghini-huracan-performante-2017-review

Italian review https://youtu.be/57n95JzQVYU

there's no RSQ5 yet, if they stretch the RS badge to all models I'm fine with it. Just didn't know that an RSQ7 is coming. I saw a lot of SQ7 lately in Switzerland. Btw. how do you find the e-turbo, is it very noticeable in comparison to a standard turbo? I was more interesting in the V8 question for the next Cayenne, Urus... I suppose there's a lot of power left in the V8 of the Panamera and they'll probably combine it with an e-turbo in the future.

Cheers

RS 991:

there's no RSQ5 yet, if they stretch the RS badge to all models I'm fine with it. Just didn't know that an RSQ7 is coming. I saw a lot of SQ7 lately in Switzerland. Btw. how do you find the e-turbo, is it very noticeable in comparison to a standard turbo? I was more interesting in the V8 question for the next Cayenne, Urus... I suppose there's a lot of power left in the V8 of the Panamera and they'll probably combine it with an e-turbo in the future.

Cheers

Sorry, I thought it is common knowledge that the RSQ5 is coming...

I can compare the SQ7 to my wife's Cayenne S Diesel (current model) only.

SQ7 has better throttle response (in Dynamic mode, etc.), engine/exhaust sound is much better (Cayenne S Diesel sounds like a V8, especially from the outside but V8 sound is very subtle) and the SQ7 feels more powerful (which it is) than the Cayenne S Diesel.

The car I am driving right now is white and the front has many black applications, it looks very good. Not a big fan of the SQ7 rear though, a bit boring but I guess they had to make it this way, so the big (it is big!) SUV doesn't attract too much attention.

Most impressive is the consumption of the SQ7...around 12 liters when driven quite fast and up to 14 liters when driven hard. We are talking a V8 engine here and over 2.3 tons of weight. Definitely a very interesting product.

Right now I am looking at the new GLC 63 S AMG though (not the Coupe version) as a replacement for our Cayenne S Diesel next year. Also on my radar: RSQ7 (rumored 560-600 hp), the Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk (Hellcat engine with over 700 hp) and maybe even the next gen Cayenne Turbo (depends on the price tag but I'm afraid it will be too expensive for me).

As a little hint: All VW Group luxury SUVs (Cayenne, Q7, Urus and Bentayga) are ready for the hybrid tech seen in the new Panamera Turbo S.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

Thanks, appreciate your thoughts. The SQ7 isIndeed an impressive SUV and definitely flying under the radar. The GLC 63 S AMG with its V8 will sell like hot cake. Porsche has to step up their game with the Macan.          

I hope that not only the Urus becomes a 600+hp V8 while Porsche has to be limited to 550hp. Would love to see a 600+hp V8 in a Porsche.

RS 991:

Thanks, appreciate your thoughts. The SQ7 isIndeed an impressive SUV and definitely flying under the radar. The GLC 63 S AMG with its V8 will sell like hot cake. Porsche has to step up their game with the Macan.

I'm afraid you are right, they already have tons of pre-orders, so they will surely announce a higher entry price than many anticipate (incl. me).  Not sure what Porsche can do, they need a V8 in the Macan but I doubt they will offer one. There was once a rumor of a smaller newly developed V8 in the Macan but I haven't heard about it anymore.

I hope that not only the Urus becomes a 600+hp V8 while Porsche has to be limited to 550hp. Would love to see a 600+hp V8 in a Porsche.

The Cayenne Turbo S will have 680 hp...as a hybrid. Personally, I think that the Cayenne Turbo will be the better (cheaper, performance not far away from Turbo S) deal. The Urus will be the sportiest in the family, it has to be. Also very likely the loudest and the flashiest one. Typical Lamborghini. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

well the 4.0 V8 is already a small V8, they'll probably use the 2.9 V6 in the Macan, which sounds good. 

Well I was referring to 600+hp coming from the V8, maybe in a Panamera Coupe... 

RS 991:

well the 4.0 V8 is already a small V8, they'll probably use the 2.9 V6 in the Macan, which sounds good. 

Well I was referring to 600+hp coming from the V8, maybe in a Panamera Coupe... 

A Panamera Coupe would very likely get the engine from the current Panamera if it comes within the next 12 months. In a couple of years, other engine choices (lower capacity V8, whatever) are of course possible.

I do not understand how Porsche can sell a 100+k car with a V6 engine but I think this is their secret.  I never liked the V6 Biturbo in my wife's Macan Turbo and yes, I am much happier with the engine choice (V8 Biturbo Diesel) in her Cayenne S Diesel. What I do not like about the Cayenne S Diesel is the fact that even compared to the Cayenne Turbo, Porsche has chosen to offer a more comfortable chassis setup. I don't have a clue why but the Cayenne S Diesel is borderline Porsche, the ordinary Cayenne Diesel is no Porsche for me anymore.  The engine in the Cayenne S Diesel is a treat though, so is the driving feel on the Autobahn (even at higher speeds. The brake could be better though for such a heavy truck but still borderline, not really bad but also not perfect.

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Maybe it has to do with the weight of the Diesel engine? Anyhow is a Porsche with a Diesel engine really a Porsche?

What the Macan needs is a sporty 480hp version with tighter chassis. V8 or V6 is irrelevant, I would actually prefer they put a V6 and keep the weight down. V6 n/a vs V8 n/a was worth the difference, but when you throw turbos in it, for a SUV, it is not that relevant.

We like the Q7 but did not even consider it since the "sportiest" model was 330hp. For a somewhat reasonable price the RRS might not have tech as advanced (close enough though) and is a much more fun car which looks amazing in fun colors. I doubt that currently you can even get the kind of finish you get in an Autobiography version.

SciFrog:

Maybe it has to do with the weight of the Diesel engine? Anyhow is a Porsche with a Diesel engine really a Porsche?

Yes...surprisingly it is but only if the Diesel has massive power and torque. This is why I meant "borderline" Porsche... 

What the Macan needs is a sporty 480hp version with tighter chassis. V8 or V6 is irrelevant, I would actually prefer they put a V6 and keep the weight down. V6 n/a vs V8 n/a was worth the difference, but when you throw turbos in it, for a SUV, it is not that relevant.

I disagree. I won't pay over 120k EUR (a fully optioned Macan Turbo with performance kit) for a car with a V6 engine, sorry.

We like the Q7 but did not even consider it since the "sportiest" model was 330hp. For a somewhat reasonable price the RRS might not have tech as advanced (close enough though) and is a much more fun car which looks amazing in fun colors. I doubt that currently you can even get the kind of finish you get in an Autobiography version.

It is a pity the SQ7 isn't available (I assume?) in the US? For the US, this engine would be perfect and it sounds very nice as well.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

https://youtu.be/JuQeirpjr-s

New info added about g-forces:  http://driving.ca/lamborghini/huracan/reviews/road-test/first-drive-2018-lamborghini-huracan-performante

I am looking forward to test drive the car. Unfortunately all deliveries including dealership test cars have been delayed. My main concern is how hard is the suspension compared to the GT3 RS. The standard Huracan rides great, hopefully they haven't ruined the Performante just because of the stupid Ring record. 

Herbaliser:

I am looking forward to test drive the car. Unfortunately all deliveries including dealership test cars have been delayed. My main concern is how hard is the suspension compared to the GT3 RS. The standard Huracan rides great, hopefully they haven't ruined the Performante just because of the stupid Ring record. 

Absolutely agree. With today's chassis technology there's no need to go too hard and to sacrifice day-to-day ride comfort.

Another point may be the sport buckets. I read a lot about how bad and uncomfy they are, especially if compared to those in the Ferrari. As I never sat nor ride in them, are these rumours true?

We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

Rossi:

 

Another point may be the sport buckets. I read a lot about how bad and uncomfy they are, especially if compared to those in the Ferrari. As I never sat nor ride in them, are these rumours true?

I sat in them.

They are more upright than Porsche's folding bucket seats.

Dunno about the Huracan, but the SV CF seats are known to be the worst seats ever created by mankind. If they are the same in the Huracan, it's probably best to avoid them.

sfo:

Rossi:

 

Another point may be the sport buckets. I read a lot about how bad and uncomfy they are, especially if compared to those in the Ferrari. As I never sat nor ride in them, are these rumours true?

I sat in them.

They are more upright than Porsche's folding bucket seats.

For me the Ferrari buckets have always been an improvement over the standard seats. Okay, that's mostly because the standard seats are that bad.

It would be a shame if the Lamborghini buckets are so uncomfortable, because they look drop-dead gorgeous.

We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

noone1:

Dunno about the Huracan, but the SV CF seats are known to be the worst seats ever created by mankind. If they are the same in the Huracan, it's probably best to avoid them.

I don't think they have different CF seats for two models, no?

We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

The Lamborghini carbon seats are fixed shells Stefan with minimal padding. They are very uncompromising for road use and have fairly high sides which makes getting into and out of them more challenging. I had the opportunity to sit in a Gallardo LP Superleggera with the fixed carbon seats  and then a Huracan 610-4 with the new carbon seats at the same dealership. The Gallardo ones weren't exactly comfortable in comparison to Ferrari's race seats but they were better than those in the Huracan IMHO. I think the SV uses exactly the same seat as the Performante. I would certainly not choose them if looking to use the car on the road.

Thanks very much, Iain. 

We're at the point where you can be the fastest or just sound like you're the fastest.



The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

I tried the bucket seats in a R8 testcar I had, they are basically identical to the Huracan bucket seats and first, they felt great but then, my back started hurting because the backrest seems to be too thin. Even the normal sport seat isn't as good as the Porsche seats, whenever the mechanic changes the seat settings, it takes me like forever to adjust it back correctly. I am pretty sure there is some sort of memory feature somewhere (seats are electric) but I haven't looked for it yet. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)