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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
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carmos said:
good race,from 1st to the begining of 4th gear we were right next to each other...i did not miss a shift i drove as good as i ever have...should i have beaten him or should he have beaten me? i had to slow down because of traffic in my lane...
carmos, if you were on a public road you were not racing, you were just driving recklessly.
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Sep 2, 2006 1:37:25 PM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
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carmos said:
good race,from 1st to the begining of 4th gear we were right next to each other...i did not miss a shift i drove as good as i ever have...should i have beaten him or should he have beaten me? i had to slow down because of traffic in my lane...
carmos, if you were on a public road you were not racing, you were just driving recklessly.
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Sep 2, 2006 1:39:08 PM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
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good race,from 1st to the begining of 4th gear we were right next to each other...i did not miss a shift i drove as good as i ever have...should i have beaten him or should he have beaten me? i had to slow down because of traffic in my lane...
Im sure the NSX is 11.5 seconds 0 - 100 MPH So it sounds about right.
Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
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good race,from 1st to the begining of 4th gear we were right next to each other...i did not miss a shift i drove as good as i ever have...should i have beaten him or should he have beaten me? i had to slow down because of traffic in my lane...
What did you do, race him with your top down.
Sep 3, 2006 3:17:57 AM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
Sorry but driving in a straight and just not missing a shft in public traffic is NOT racing - it's moronic and gives us all a bad name... if you want to RACE or really learn how to drive then go to a track or Porsche Driving Experience or something similar. You can buy a shifter kart for about 10k that will CRUSH any 911 or NSX and actually race it wheel to wheel on a track. Why risk EVERYTHING you have to play boy racer on the street. It's embarassing for us all.
Sep 3, 2006 5:23:38 AM
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Sep 3, 2006 5:35:05 AM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
Take it easy guys, the man just accelerated on an empty road (obviously) for a couple of seconds. Sure, it has nothing to do with racing but it's not a crime, ''embarassing'', ''bad name'' etc.
Why don't you buy a Toyota Corolla? You will always drive according to speed limits no matter what the circumstances are. Even ig you see a stop light in the desert, you will stop waiting someone to pass.
But you will have more chances to cause an accident because the whole driving experience will be so boring...
Why don't you buy a Toyota Corolla? You will always drive according to speed limits no matter what the circumstances are. Even ig you see a stop light in the desert, you will stop waiting someone to pass.
But you will have more chances to cause an accident because the whole driving experience will be so boring...
Sep 3, 2006 5:54:49 PM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
Zoltan, not knowing all the facts I'll refrain from condemning the act outright. BUT he himself admitted he ran into traffic, so it wasn't all that deserted. Drag racing with clear traffic ahead is one thing, but steaming at 100mph on a car travelling at 40mph is not a good idea. What if the other driver reacts badly to have 2 headlights zooming into the rearview mirror, swerves to the other lane and makes the NSX crash? Or brake head. Driving above the speed limit is something I'm sure everyone (including Toyota Corollas ) do. Drag racing with another car with other cars around is not the wisest thing to do. Some of the other posters just want to emphatically denounce that activity.
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Take it easy guys, the man just accelerated on an empty road (obviously) for a couple of seconds. Sure, it has nothing to do with racing but it's not a crime, ''embarassing'', ''bad name'' etc.
Why don't you buy a Toyota Corolla? You will always drive according to speed limits no matter what the circumstances are. Even ig you see a stop light in the desert, you will stop waiting someone to pass.
But you will have more chances to cause an accident because the whole driving experience will be so boring...
Sep 5, 2006 7:32:45 PM
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Zoltan, not knowing all the facts I'll refrain from condemning the act outright. BUT he himself admitted he ran into traffic, so it wasn't all that deserted. Drag racing with clear traffic ahead is one thing, but steaming at 100mph on a car travelling at 40mph is not a good idea. What if the other driver reacts badly to have 2 headlights zooming into the rearview mirror, swerves to the other lane and makes the NSX crash? Or brake head. Driving above the speed limit is something I'm sure everyone (including Toyota Corollas ) do. Drag racing with another car with other cars around is not the wisest thing to do. Some of the other posters just want to emphatically denounce that activity.Quote:
zoltan said:
Take it easy guys, the man just accelerated on an empty road (obviously) for a couple of seconds. Sure, it has nothing to do with racing but it's not a crime, ''embarassing'', ''bad name'' etc.
Why don't you buy a Toyota Corolla? You will always drive according to speed limits no matter what the circumstances are. Even ig you see a stop light in the desert, you will stop waiting someone to pass.
But you will have more chances to cause an accident because the whole driving experience will be so boring...
If, if, if.....Is this a court of justice or something?
He "had to slow down because of traffic in his lane" which means he saw the traffic (from some distance) and slow down.
After all we all agree it's not racing. It's just accelerating without finish line.
A true AND responsible driver sets his limits according to the situation. A moron just steps on it and thinks he lives on a lonely planet. Clear?
Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
But isn't the NSX a beautiful machine? I think it is one of the best cars of all time. It is one of the best engineering projects of all time. Balance. Not just a heavy V8, but the right 6. The perfect combination of part were molded to make a amazing machine. The older, smaller engine a gear box were abit weak. The latter models a 6 speed gear box were so smooth. THE ONLY OTHER DAILY DRIVER AND HIGH PERFORMANCE CAR is the 911. I had an early model NSX that was 2 years out of warranty when the transmission died. Honda (Acura) went to bat and gave me a new transmission for free when they had no obligation to do it. That is a race that not many car companies finish in.
Sep 6, 2006 8:12:39 AM
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Sep 6, 2006 2:00:41 PM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
The NSX has a bout 290 H.P. they are fast cars and handle gr8 but you have to drive them like you are mad at them, otherwise they feel slow. They are sluggish in lower RPMS. The cab is a bit slower than the hardtop C2S but you should have still beaten him if you have 6 speed. Chances are teh NSX was perhaps a bit tweaked. At any rate you can not cut NSX any slacks 
Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
I think racing is dangerous no matter where you are. But on public streets we endanger others lives as well. Now we all do it from time to time, right or wrong the temptation is hard to resist sometimes. Bottom line let's just be as careful as possible and not let our ego take lives. Quite often a race starts in a friendly manner but sometimes it turns to a road rage. Moderation is the key!
Sep 6, 2006 3:17:15 PM
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With proper care, in the right place, with good vision, why not have a bit of safe fun. Ridiculous to ASSUME that they were being dangerous. Geez, why buy a Porsche if you can't cut loose every once in awhile, conditions-appropriate? And if there's another sporting car there to match up against for a few seconds, and the driver isn't a numbskull either, so much the better! Not all of us live trapped within metropolitan gridlock..
And this is coming from a guy who's spent more time in the staging lanes of NHRA-sanctioned dragstrips than he has in fast-food drive-thru lanes.
I strongly disdain careless driving in traffic, or where there are many drives or intersections, etc... But every once in awhile there's a time and a place where you hope you can have a bit of fun in life without being labeled a baby-killer. One of the most fun races I ever had wasn't on the track, it was at 6:30 in the morning on Thanksgiving Day on my way to a "Turkey Trot" 5-mile run, the 4-lane road totally empty of traffic, and I happened to meet up with a modified WS6 Trans Am in my modified Ford Lightning Pickup. The guy revved at me, and snickered, and when the light turned green, he got summarily HUMBLED by the big silver 12-second truck... Yep, public road, close to the middle of town, and nobody was around...
My cousin has a '94 NSX, stock. It's rather tame, really weenie on the bottom-end, but handles well, and they sure are pretty to look at..
And this is coming from a guy who's spent more time in the staging lanes of NHRA-sanctioned dragstrips than he has in fast-food drive-thru lanes.
I strongly disdain careless driving in traffic, or where there are many drives or intersections, etc... But every once in awhile there's a time and a place where you hope you can have a bit of fun in life without being labeled a baby-killer. One of the most fun races I ever had wasn't on the track, it was at 6:30 in the morning on Thanksgiving Day on my way to a "Turkey Trot" 5-mile run, the 4-lane road totally empty of traffic, and I happened to meet up with a modified WS6 Trans Am in my modified Ford Lightning Pickup. The guy revved at me, and snickered, and when the light turned green, he got summarily HUMBLED by the big silver 12-second truck... Yep, public road, close to the middle of town, and nobody was around...
My cousin has a '94 NSX, stock. It's rather tame, really weenie on the bottom-end, but handles well, and they sure are pretty to look at..
Sep 7, 2006 6:46:03 PM
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8561369878817702526&q=honda+nsx
two legends together
Thanks for the link
Sep 11, 2006 5:02:21 AM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
Hello devo ----- putting aside the event itself and its legality, we assume a dual cariage-way somewhere isolated, so the risk was mimimized.So we go beyond that without any name-calling---
I get the sense that many of us on this web know little about NSXs ..... 1997 and beyond have a 3.2L engine rated at 290bhp, and a mass of circa 3200lbs with the T-roof: that targa-roof version, which dominated sales in the US from 1995, was 100+ lbs heavier than the quite rare coupes. So the C2 cab vs. NSX T was fair comparison...
Given the extra power for the C2, and the extra weight, equivalence is certainly reasonable-----the high revs of the NSX make up for the lower torque. The latter are still absolutely extraordinary cars, and highly recommended as a Porsche alternative ------ very reliable and exotic in appearance, with good response to minor tuning (headers,exhaust)
I still own a 1996T, with sport-stik, and everyone of those horses are strong in these cars (mine has 'only' 3.0L and the 252bhp version goes with the 'auto-stik'). It is now my daily driver, while the 997 C2 has the weekend higher speed events.
Although my C2 is very strong, even my 1996 NSX is almost as fast on my favourote drive to the lake. Moderately smooth road, with undulations rather than broken roads, and low traffic density. A few isolated shortish straight sections which allowed the NSX to comfortably reach 160kmh, allow the C2 to reach 175 ------ so it is typically 15kph faster in many cases.
The suspensions on the NSX evolved over the years, with the 1996 being more refined than the 1991, and the 2002 + being better again. Howvere, my NSX handles these undulating roads (think of smooth undulations of scale comparable to the lenght of the car), or heaving prairie roads due to frost) with more ease and feeling of complete control ( at 160kph+) than my C2 with PASM does ------ the NSX has multiple valving in the shocks, that respond to the high downforce at those speeds by lowering the car, and providing an amazingly smooth ride with continued great control.... it is also, then, impervious to cross winds ....one does not even know if the wind is strong ....while the C2 becomes harsher/firmer at those high speeds as the PASM firms, and with less downforce it is quire senstive to cross-winds. Ayrton Senna played a major advisory role with the NSX and that shows still! And the drag of the car therefore goes down , improving the accleration above 160km..... clever stuff.
That said, the C2 with PASM is an extraordinarily good high speed cruising/GT-like occasions car....on many roads is is as good as the NSX (comfort/control/no windage effects)..... it is amazing owning them both, and to experience contrasting design philosophies.....
Has anyone else had NSX experience --- or still own an older one?
Cheers
KiwiCanuck
I get the sense that many of us on this web know little about NSXs ..... 1997 and beyond have a 3.2L engine rated at 290bhp, and a mass of circa 3200lbs with the T-roof: that targa-roof version, which dominated sales in the US from 1995, was 100+ lbs heavier than the quite rare coupes. So the C2 cab vs. NSX T was fair comparison...
Given the extra power for the C2, and the extra weight, equivalence is certainly reasonable-----the high revs of the NSX make up for the lower torque. The latter are still absolutely extraordinary cars, and highly recommended as a Porsche alternative ------ very reliable and exotic in appearance, with good response to minor tuning (headers,exhaust)
I still own a 1996T, with sport-stik, and everyone of those horses are strong in these cars (mine has 'only' 3.0L and the 252bhp version goes with the 'auto-stik'). It is now my daily driver, while the 997 C2 has the weekend higher speed events.
Although my C2 is very strong, even my 1996 NSX is almost as fast on my favourote drive to the lake. Moderately smooth road, with undulations rather than broken roads, and low traffic density. A few isolated shortish straight sections which allowed the NSX to comfortably reach 160kmh, allow the C2 to reach 175 ------ so it is typically 15kph faster in many cases.
The suspensions on the NSX evolved over the years, with the 1996 being more refined than the 1991, and the 2002 + being better again. Howvere, my NSX handles these undulating roads (think of smooth undulations of scale comparable to the lenght of the car), or heaving prairie roads due to frost) with more ease and feeling of complete control ( at 160kph+) than my C2 with PASM does ------ the NSX has multiple valving in the shocks, that respond to the high downforce at those speeds by lowering the car, and providing an amazingly smooth ride with continued great control.... it is also, then, impervious to cross winds ....one does not even know if the wind is strong ....while the C2 becomes harsher/firmer at those high speeds as the PASM firms, and with less downforce it is quire senstive to cross-winds. Ayrton Senna played a major advisory role with the NSX and that shows still! And the drag of the car therefore goes down , improving the accleration above 160km..... clever stuff.
That said, the C2 with PASM is an extraordinarily good high speed cruising/GT-like occasions car....on many roads is is as good as the NSX (comfort/control/no windage effects)..... it is amazing owning them both, and to experience contrasting design philosophies.....
Has anyone else had NSX experience --- or still own an older one?
Cheers
KiwiCanuck
Sep 11, 2006 5:13:27 AM
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Re: raced 2002 nsx vs my 2006 c2 cab
To edz61 ------ just because the NSX revs higher than a 997, which at 7200rpm is quite low (my Acura TL red-lines at 6900)does not make them feel sluggsish ...... higher revs are ntaural in those cars, and need not inspire thoughts of flogging the car or engine. I also do not agree that it is odd for a 2002 290bhp to match the quite heavy C2 cab --- see my piece about drag at higher speeds in the NSX.
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