CloseAug 30, 2006 10:24:34 PM
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Danny G said:
Don't understand how it could beat the Enzo in 0-200, it has a detuned Enzo engine, it's heavier and it has worse engine placement.
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Crash said:
What? You mean to tell me that the new Turbo isn't slower than the old one? I don't believe you.
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Crash said:
What? You mean to tell me that the new Turbo isn't slower than the old one? I don't believe you.
BTW: Should the true performance be close to those numbers my decision regarding my new car would be taken! A car with those specs is a must buy. The car would be in a completely different league than the 997TT
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mv said:
Rossi : As Patriek said there will be no replacement for the F430 before 2009. However, in MY2008 the F430 is likely to see its power bumped to 520hp along with other minor tweaks.
I doubt Ferrari will bring a powerupgrade for the F430. My guess is we will see the presentation of an all new V8-model in late 2008 and this F460 or whatever it will be called will arrive on most markets in early 2009.
At first, even I thought any power-up is out of question. On the other hand in 2008 already 2 new Ferraris are set to come and I doubt Ferrari would release 3 new models in one year and than almost nothing (apart from a 599m and spider versions) for say 4-5 years. Hence I wouldn't be surprised by a late 2009 presentation and as the competition is getting stronger (powerkit, PDK for the TT on the way as well as the Gallardo MY08 FSI, 7-speed DSG) and as even now the F430 is no longer that dominant in comparison tests, it will be in need of an update to keep up. Well, I'm actually aware it doesn't need to keep up performance wise that strictly, as it is fast enough and there is enough demand, but it is a matter of honour to prove they are on the edge, where they probably (based on the latest models that are huge improvement over the previous ones, much bigger then we were used to) want to be.
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mv said:
Rossi : As Patriek said there will be no replacement for the F430 before 2009. However, in MY2008 the F430 is likely to see its power bumped to 520hp along with other minor tweaks.
I doubt Ferrari will bring a powerupgrade for the F430. My guess is we will see the presentation of an all new V8-model in late 2008 and this F460 or whatever it will be called will arrive on most markets in early 2009.
At first, even I thought any power-up is out of question. On the other hand in 2008 already 2 new Ferraris are set to come and I doubt Ferrari would release 3 new models in one year and than almost nothing (apart from a 599m and spider versions) for say 4-5 years. Hence I wouldn't be surprised by a late 2009 presentation and as the competition is getting stronger (powerkit, PDK for the TT on the way as well as the Gallardo MY08 FSI, 7-speed DSG) and as even now the F430 is no longer that dominant in comparison tests, it will be in need of an update to keep up. Well, I'm actually aware it doesn't need to keep up performance wise that strictly, as it is fast enough and there is enough demand, but it is a matter of honour to prove they are on the edge, where they probably (based on the latest models that are huge improvement over the previous ones, much bigger then we were used to) want to be.
Ferrari has its certificate of exemption for producing the F430 until mid 2008. After that date, the F430 with its old airbag technology can't be sold in the US.
Furthermore I have a document, in which the successor for the F430 is announced for 2008.
So I really think that the new car will be ready by end of 2008.
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mv said:
Oh, I see. I can remember the document. The airbag issue may have changed their initial plans. And in fact, I have heard a rumour the F60 will come as late as in 2009.
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mv said:
Oh, I see. I can remember the document. The airbag issue may have changed their initial plans. And in fact, I have heard a rumour the F60 will come as late as in 2009.
LdM stated in THIS interview that the Enzo successor is at least 4 yrs away. Nit-pickers might say that the Enzo wasn't the F50 successor and that the F60 might not be the "next Enzo"... but IMO there won't be some Enzo II/F60 before 2010.
And rossi is right, AFAIK the successor to the F430 will be ready by late 2008 (presented at the Mondial de l'Automobile in Paris) with early deliveries to VIP clients right away (but really starting in early 2009).
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Crash said:
What? You mean to tell me that the new Turbo isn't slower than the old one? I don't believe you.
BTW: Should the true performance be close to those numbers my decision regarding my new car would be taken! A car with those specs is a must buy. The car would be in a completely different league than the 997TT
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mv said:
Oh, I see. I can remember the document. The airbag issue may have changed their initial plans. And in fact, I have heard a rumour the F60 will come as late as in 2009.
LdM stated in THIS interview that the Enzo successor is at least 4 yrs away. Nit-pickers might say that the Enzo wasn't the F50 successor and that the F60 might not be the "next Enzo"... but IMO there won't be some Enzo II/F60 before 2010.
And rossi is right, AFAIK the successor to the F430 will be ready by late 2008 (presented at the Mondial de l'Automobile in Paris) with early deliveries to VIP clients right away (but really starting in early 2009).
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mv said:Quote:
Rossi said:Quote:
mv said:
Rossi : As Patriek said there will be no replacement for the F430 before 2009. However, in MY2008 the F430 is likely to see its power bumped to 520hp along with other minor tweaks.
I doubt Ferrari will bring a powerupgrade for the F430. My guess is we will see the presentation of an all new V8-model in late 2008 and this F460 or whatever it will be called will arrive on most markets in early 2009.
At first, even I thought any power-up is out of question. On the other hand in 2008 already 2 new Ferraris are set to come and I doubt Ferrari would release 3 new models in one year and than almost nothing (apart from a 599m and spider versions) for say 4-5 years. Hence I wouldn't be surprised by a late 2009 presentation and as the competition is getting stronger (powerkit, PDK for the TT on the way as well as the Gallardo MY08 FSI, 7-speed DSG) and as even now the F430 is no longer that dominant in comparison tests, it will be in need of an update to keep up. Well, I'm actually aware it doesn't need to keep up performance wise that strictly, as it is fast enough and there is enough demand, but it is a matter of honour to prove they are on the edge, where they probably (based on the latest models that are huge improvement over the previous ones, much bigger then we were used to) want to be.
Ferrari has its certificate of exemption for producing the F430 until mid 2008. After that date, the F430 with its old airbag technology can't be sold in the US.
Furthermore I have a document, in which the successor for the F430 is announced for 2008.
So I really think that the new car will be ready by end of 2008.
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VKSF said:
IMO, SL65 and 599 will be the ultimate duo
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KresoF1 said:
BTW, what about German winter? Neither SL65 or 599 will be capable to follow 997 Turbo or Gallardo on wet autobahn. And snow... 599 will look funny on snow!
I will not rely on any magazine test...
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KresoF1 said:
BTW, what about German winter? Neither SL65 or 599 will be capable to follow 997 Turbo or Gallardo on wet autobahn. And snow... 599 will look funny on snow!
In my case it would be 599 and A8 W12
BTW: I fully agree with you that this test is strange. The thing is: I will do my own test of high-speed acceleration numbers before I (potentially) order one
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KresoF1 said:
BTW, what about German winter? Neither SL65 or 599 will be capable to follow 997 Turbo or Gallardo on wet autobahn. And snow... 599 will look funny on snow!
In my case it would be 599 and A8 W12
BTW: I fully agree with you that this test is strange. The thing is: I will do my own test of high-speed acceleration numbers before I (potentially) order one
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MKSGR said:
I am impatient already
I can imagine! It will probably be at least as fast as the M5 in a straight line, and coupled with AWD will make for one heck of a ride.
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MKSGR said:
I am impatient already
I can imagine! It will probably be at least as fast as the M5 in a straight line, and coupled with AWD will make for one heck of a ride.
If the RS6 would match the M5 in terms of straight line performance that would be a terrific result! Even if it was slightly slower than the M5 the RS6 would still have AWD as a convincing selling point
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Sep 3, 2006 3:48:07 PM
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VGA18 said:
599 GTB seems to beat CGT with these datas, but when i check german mag datas , 997 TT has better or same times with the CGT. So you guys accept 997TT can beat CGT, but 599 GTB cannot? I couldnt understand this part. Porsche can do better times than its official info but Ferrari cannot? Plase be a little justice guys.
Ok i accept Q test can be a little optimistic for Ferrari but same as some German mags do the same to BMW and Porsche.
Doesnt it?
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rosso nuvola said:
elegant Audi styling ???BMW has nothing to worry aboutfrom Audi.
Yes, elegant. At least that's what normal people think
Than i'm not normal ...
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