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Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
It seems that the hype about the better acceleration of the Tip version was just marketing driven... The manual cars seem to have the same acceleration as the Tip version
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
0.6 seconds difference. To achieve 12.7 sec in a 997 Turbo manual (like Sport Auto did), you need to be a PERFECT shifter. I don't see any reason for disappointment here.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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RC said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
0.6 seconds difference. To achieve 12.7 sec in a 997 Turbo manual (like Sport Auto did), you need to be a PERFECT shifter. I don't see any reason for disappointment here.
Sorry, less than 0.6 seconds. Every magazine test achieved better times for the manual than this official Porsche number.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
Actual difference is smaller. Look at this numbers by AMS...
997 Turbo(Manual,SC,PCCBs)
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.3s
Weight: 1583kg
So, difference is only 0.2s in hands of good driver(like myself
).
But, what bothers me is fact that manual is little bit faster till 300km/h...
997 Turbo(Manual,SC,PCCBs)
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.3s
Weight: 1583kg
So, difference is only 0.2s in hands of good driver(like myself
).But, what bothers me is fact that manual is little bit faster till 300km/h...
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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964C2 said:
We need a magazine to test both versions side by side on the same day, same time, same surface, same tires.....then we might get an answer
I agree , however , I truly hope nobody got a tip because it is faster then the manual. They might be disappointed if they see both cars accelerate side by side. A tip for sure has some advantages in heavy traffic and that is a very valid reason to get one. But a tip will always be second best for a sportscar like a 911.
If it wasn't tip would be here to stay but we all know it is not. Manual is here to stay. You will always have a good number of people who want to have it.
NOBODY will want a tip once the DSG is out.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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KresoF1 said:
Actual difference is smaller. Look at this numbers by AMS...
997 Turbo(Manual,SC,PCCBs)
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.3s
Weight: 1583kg
So, difference is only 0.2s in hands of good driver(like myself
But, what bothers me is fact that manual is little bit faster till 300km/h...
I see a certain croatian attorney showing a huge smile on his face, having ordered a manual 997TT
.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
Here are some recent tests of the 997TT manual I could find quickly:
0-100kph / 0-200kph / magazine
3.7 / 12.3 / AMS issue #15/06
3.7 / 12.1 / Sportscars issue #8/06
3.9 / 12.5 / AZ issue #12/06
3.7 / 12.1 / AB issue #25/06
Honestly, the talk about the Tip accelerating faster seems to be marketing blabla of Porsche. Looking at the available numbers there is no advantage of the Tip... AZ lost .2seconds up to 100kph, that is why their 0-200 number is just 12.5.
In summary, all the above tests confirm that the manual version does 0-200 in 12.1 to 12.3 seconds
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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mumbasic said:
but where to hell Kreso could drive in Croatia 300 km/h??
The last time I tried I payed a heavy bill for it
AM
PS. no joke, but for me the turbo is as good with manual as with tiptronic, it is just a matter of taste
Ouch!
Were you caught with Provida or laser? A list of all their Provida cars can be found on the internet, while a good laser jammer will take care of their lidar guns.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
Here are some recent tests of the 997TT manual I could find quickly:
0-100kph / 0-200kph / magazine
3.7 / 12.3 / AMS issue #15/06
3.7 / 12.1 / Sportscars issue #8/06
3.9 / 12.5 / AZ issue #12/06
3.7 / 12.1 / AB issue #25/06
Honestly, the talk about the Tip accelerating faster seems to be marketing blabla of Porsche. Looking at the available numbers there is no advantage of the Tip... AZ lost .2seconds up to 100kph, that is why their 0-200 number is just 12.5.
In summary, all the above tests confirm that the manual version does 0-200 in 12.1 to 12.3 seconds
So there is no truth in the 11.6 0-200 km/h time with the Tip SC.
THis m,eans that you'll spend mucho dineros for a Turbo of your liking. At least 15.000 Euros for the powerkit, several thousand for PCCB, another 1500 for LSD and about 5000 (maybe more
) for the PDK. That will get very expensive very fast.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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Crash said:Quote:
mumbasic said:
but where to hell Kreso could drive in Croatia 300 km/h??
The last time I tried I payed a heavy bill for it
AM
PS. no joke, but for me the turbo is as good with manual as with tiptronic, it is just a matter of taste
Ouch!
Were you caught with Provida or laser? A list of all their Provida cars can be found on the internet, while a good laser jammer will take care of their lidar guns.
They drove behind me! I was in driving my Cayenne turbo. The fastest speed they have recorded was 238 km/h (100 km/h allowed), then I dissapeared in the video. Later they caught me in a traffic jam near Zagreb ;(
AM
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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mumbasic said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
mumbasic said:
but where to hell Kreso could drive in Croatia 300 km/h??
The last time I tried I payed a heavy bill for it
AM
PS. no joke, but for me the turbo is as good with manual as with tiptronic, it is just a matter of taste
Ouch!
Were you caught with Provida or laser? A list of all their Provida cars can be found on the internet, while a good laser jammer will take care of their lidar guns.
They drove behind me! I was in driving my Cayenne turbo. The fastest speed they have recorded was 238 km/h (100 km/h allowed), then I dissapeared in the video. Later they caught me in a traffic jam near Zagreb ;(
AM
I hate these guys! Next time you go down there, if you see a civilian police car, keep going until you've lost them, then turn off the road and rest for about half an hour. They have to catch you on the spot to fine you, otherwise they have nothing on you.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
Here are some recent tests of the 997TT manual I could find quickly:
0-100kph / 0-200kph / magazine
3.7 / 12.3 / AMS issue #15/06
3.7 / 12.1 / Sportscars issue #8/06
3.9 / 12.5 / AZ issue #12/06
3.7 / 12.1 / AB issue #25/06
Honestly, the talk about the Tip accelerating faster seems to be marketing blabla of Porsche. Looking at the available numbers there is no advantage of the Tip... AZ lost .2seconds up to 100kph, that is why their 0-200 number is just 12.5.
In summary, all the above tests confirm that the manual version does 0-200 in 12.1 to 12.3 seconds
Although I agree with the "magazine numerics" as I like to call them, I always have a few questions to throw out as to the real world validity of these numbers:
When I'm driving an expensive manual (which is what the 997TT is), I don't like to maul my clutch in order to get a good jump. It's a matter of my respect for the car, as well as my pocketbook if I burn the clutch...
It reminds me of the F430 with the optional launch control. It achieves blistering launches, but doesn't it leave the clutch obsolete after a few runs?
-----
For the tiptronic, to get a blistering launch is simple as holding the brake a bit and putting the gas down. There is no fear/skill in getting a great launch which could be a good thing or could be a bad thing...
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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Hurst said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
Here are some recent tests of the 997TT manual I could find quickly:
0-100kph / 0-200kph / magazine
3.7 / 12.3 / AMS issue #15/06
3.7 / 12.1 / Sportscars issue #8/06
3.9 / 12.5 / AZ issue #12/06
3.7 / 12.1 / AB issue #25/06
Honestly, the talk about the Tip accelerating faster seems to be marketing blabla of Porsche. Looking at the available numbers there is no advantage of the Tip... AZ lost .2seconds up to 100kph, that is why their 0-200 number is just 12.5.
In summary, all the above tests confirm that the manual version does 0-200 in 12.1 to 12.3 seconds
Although I agree with the "magazine numerics" as I like to call them, I always have a few questions to throw out as to the real world validity of these numbers:
When I'm driving an expensive manual (which is what the 997TT is), I don't like to maul my clutch in order to get a good jump. It's a matter of my respect for the car, as well as my pocketbook if I burn the clutch...
It reminds me of the F430 with the optional launch control. It achieves blistering launches, but doesn't it leave the clutch obsolete after a few runs?
-----
For the tiptronic, to get a blistering launch is simple as holding the brake a bit and putting the gas down. There is no fear/skill in getting a great launch which could be a good thing or could be a bad thing...
Careful with launching a Tip! I broke an Audi Tip tranny doing that (didn't destroy it, but the torque converter and several other bits had to be changed after a while).
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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Hurst said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
First test of 997 Turbo TIP in German Auto stressenverkehr magazine(sister magazine of AMS):
0-100km/h: 3.7s
0-200km/h:12.1s
Weight: 1613kg
Car had SC and PCCBs.
Here are some recent tests of the 997TT manual I could find quickly:
0-100kph / 0-200kph / magazine
3.7 / 12.3 / AMS issue #15/06
3.7 / 12.1 / Sportscars issue #8/06
3.9 / 12.5 / AZ issue #12/06
3.7 / 12.1 / AB issue #25/06
Honestly, the talk about the Tip accelerating faster seems to be marketing blabla of Porsche. Looking at the available numbers there is no advantage of the Tip... AZ lost .2seconds up to 100kph, that is why their 0-200 number is just 12.5.
In summary, all the above tests confirm that the manual version does 0-200 in 12.1 to 12.3 seconds
Although I agree with the "magazine numerics" as I like to call them, I always have a few questions to throw out as to the real world validity of these numbers:
When I'm driving an expensive manual (which is what the 997TT is), I don't like to maul my clutch in order to get a good jump. It's a matter of my respect for the car, as well as my pocketbook if I burn the clutch...
It reminds me of the F430 with the optional launch control. It achieves blistering launches, but doesn't it leave the clutch obsolete after a few runs?
-----
For the tiptronic, to get a blistering launch is simple as holding the brake a bit and putting the gas down. There is no fear/skill in getting a great launch which could be a good thing or could be a bad thing...
That's right. The importance of the 0-200 kph numbers stems from their implications regarding 100-200kph acceleration times... Full acceleration in that speed range can be enjoyed without damaging the expensive hardware
BTW: The Tip also requires a hard-core approach in order to produce the official acceleration numbers...
.
Re: First 997 Turbo TIP test
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MKSGR said:
That's right. The importance of the 0-200 kph numbers stems from their implications regarding 100-200kph acceleration times...
I completely agree with this sentiment. For daily driving (who races at the stop lights in 100k+ cars anyways
), the 100-200kmph elasticity is definitely the marquee statistic for both continents.I think the tip gets some definite help from this "fastback" technology etc, which seems to downshift properly, but I still can't see it being as effective as a good 5->3 downshift on a 6spd
Part of the fun, is matching the revs, and roaring the engine...Let them know you're comming
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