Dec 30, 2007 3:56:09 AM
- JoeRockhead
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Dec 30, 2007 3:56:09 AM
Dec 30, 2007 1:53:56 PM
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JoeRockhead said:
I seriously doubt Porsche would put more power into the 997. Most changes will be cosmetic. If they added 25hp to the Carrera S now, what would they have left for the 998?
Dec 30, 2007 5:21:41 PM
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JoeRockhead said:
I seriously doubt Porsche would put more power into the 997. Most changes will be cosmetic. If they added 25hp to the Carrera S now, what would they have left for the 998?
Dec 30, 2007 8:12:01 PM
Dec 30, 2007 11:24:45 PM
Dec 30, 2007 11:35:07 PM
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Turbo4ever said:
but took away 100kg from the car is much more expensive than just adding 20hp so i dont think Porsche gonna do that in the future.
Dec 31, 2007 2:48:55 AM
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Flagg said:
Hello guys.
First of all id like to say im a new member here, and am really impressed by the level of interest and knowledge of the members here, it really does seem like a great forum to be at. Big kudos to you guys.
Now my story is, basically, im a hp freak. Initially I had a down payment for the new e92 M3, but over the past 2 months ive 'seen the light' and have since then changed over to the 911 side of things.. and my brand new 997 C2S is due to arrive on the 2nd of January 08.
Since I havent been that well informed about Porsche's before I put the down payment for the C2S, I did not know about the upcoming MKII and what goodies it would bring with it. I am now facing the difficult choice of accepting my new C2S (white ext, red int), which is fully packed, including adaptive sport seats, chrono package, aero kit, etc etc, and im also planning to fit the x51 powerkit onto it within the first 2 months... or if I should wait for the '09 997, which will most probably arrive in september-ish earliest in the UAE.
The only thing that would make me wait for the MK2, would be the supposed DSG tranny and, more importantly, the hp boost. However, these things are, as they stand atm, very uncertain afaik. Ofc, the design changes, I think, look really nice too, but for me, that wouldnt be enough to wait an extra 8 months.
Ive been reading several sites, and reports vary from "no planned hp bumps or engine output changes" to a whopping "+40 bhp on 997S models". Here is just a few examples:
Car and Driver mag, no hp bumps.
http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/12430/spied-2009-porsche-911-carrera-s.html
Motor Authority, 5-25 hp bumps.
http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/porsche/details-on-porsches-2008-911-update/
Axis of Oversteer, +25 hp.
http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/2007/11/die-luddites-die-997-mkii-with-dsg.html
World Car Fans, no engine changes.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/6070226.004/spy-photos-more-porsche-911-facelift
So basically, what I really want to know is, will the hp bumps DEFINITELY be there? As in, without any shadow of doubt? or is it very possible that the same engine output is maintained until the 998 model is out?
Sorry if this has already been answered, I have read through a lot of this topic but did not get a chance to go through the entire 53 pages. Thanks in advance peeps
edit: Oh and forgot to mention, as usual, the dealerships here give the very usual "we have heard nothing" when questioned about the upcoming model.
Dec 31, 2007 4:11:50 PM
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So basically, what I really want to know is, will the hp bumps DEFINITELY be there? As in, without any shadow of doubt? or is it very possible that the same engine output is maintained until the 998 model is out?
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KenH said:
I somehow suspect that the revised engines in the facelift cars will be more about improved gas-mileage rather than increased horsepower and any increase in BHP will probably be nominal.
Jan 3, 2008 6:10:26 PM
Jan 4, 2008 5:54:53 AM
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Turbo4ever said:
but took away 100kg from the car is much more expensive than just adding 20hp so i dont think Porsche gonna do that in the future.
Jan 4, 2008 11:12:04 AM
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Jan 4, 2008 4:00:13 PM
Jan 4, 2008 4:15:28 PM
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Seattle911C4S said:
Hello.
I'm a new member and want to start off with that I'm very impressed with this forum. Reading all of the post has solidified my desire buy a Porsche. It has also made it very difficult to decide on what model to get and if I should wait for the facelift. So I'm turning to you to help me make my decision
The first question is about tracking and getting a C2S vs C4S. Is it possible and\or enjoyable to track a C4S? I had decided on the C4S cab (really like having the top down) but the dealer is telling that most people that track go with the C2. I'm not sure if he is pulling my leg because C4S's build slots are so hard to come by or if he's being honest and I will end up regretting it later. As far as I can tell it appears to be more about preference rather then capabilities and the possibility that the 4 would be more expensive to track due to the added wear of its components. Since I live in Seattle and new to tracking, I'm weighing tracking benefits (that I may not even be able to take full advantage of due newness) vs. the year round usability benefits of the 4 in our climate.
Second question is directly related to this post and the most common. Do I wait for "THE" facelift, buy a discounted 07 or get a custom Feb to March build? I'm VERY tempted to wait but the original post were saying it would arrive 1st half of 07 so I don't want to find myself perpetually waiting. I would like the car to enjoy the northwest spring and summer months so if a Geneva show announcement would mean spring time delivery it would make this so much easier. All that being said, the things that most interest me about the updates are the PCM updates, DFI and to be completely honest, I don't want to buy a car that will be outdated in 2 - 6 months either ... I ran into this with my M Roadster and it stunk for performance and resale reasons.
The third question is about interior options. Has anyone seen the aluminum look or Atlas gray finishes in person? Of course this is a pointless question if I go with the 07. As I write this, I must sound really vane but I just thought it would be fun to entertain these options.
Last question is about adaptive seats. Are they really worth it? If so, if I go with the 07, it has sports seats and I'm wondering what it takes to replace them with adaptive later? Dealer says it would be really expensive due to the labor involved but I'm still wondering if he's really just trying to get me in the more expensive customer build option.
Many thanks
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luwalira said:
the Cayenne got it's power bumped up and I'm highly confident that the 911 has the same fate. Just look at the amount of time Porsche had been testing these face lifted 911s and Boxsters on the road. You don't invest that much time and money just to test some fancy LED tail lights.
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intouch1 said:they all track good. a normal driver will not feel the difference between a c2s and a c4s. the convertible is a bit softer, but even this is neglible for a fun track day. you might even want to track with the top down.
Jan 4, 2008 5:30:47 PM
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Seattle911C4S said:
Hello.
I'm a new member and want to start off with that I'm very impressed with this forum. Reading all of the post has solidified my desire buy a Porsche. It has also made it very difficult to decide on what model to get and if I should wait for the facelift. So I'm turning to you to help me make my decision
The first question is about tracking and getting a C2S vs C4S. Is it possible and\or enjoyable to track a C4S? I had decided on the C4S cab (really like having the top down) but the dealer is telling that most people that track go with the C2. I'm not sure if he is pulling my leg because C4S's build slots are so hard to come by or if he's being honest and I will end up regretting it later. As far as I can tell it appears to be more about preference rather then capabilities and the possibility that the 4 would be more expensive to track due to the added wear of its components. Since I live in Seattle and new to tracking, I'm weighing tracking benefits (that I may not even be able to take full advantage of due newness) vs. the year round usability benefits of the 4 in our climate.
Second question is directly related to this post and the most common. Do I wait for "THE" facelift, buy a discounted 07 or get a custom Feb to March build? I'm VERY tempted to wait but the original post were saying it would arrive 1st half of 07 so I don't want to find myself perpetually waiting. I would like the car to enjoy the northwest spring and summer months so if a Geneva show announcement would mean spring time delivery it would make this so much easier. All that being said, the things that most interest me about the updates are the PCM updates, DFI and to be completely honest, I don't want to buy a car that will be outdated in 2 - 6 months either ... I ran into this with my M Roadster and it stunk for performance and resale reasons.
The third question is about interior options. Has anyone seen the aluminum look or Atlas gray finishes in person? Of course this is a pointless question if I go with the 07. As I write this, I must sound really vane but I just thought it would be fun to entertain these options.
Last question is about adaptive seats. Are they really worth it? If so, if I go with the 07, it has sports seats and I'm wondering what it takes to replace them with adaptive later? Dealer says it would be really expensive due to the labor involved but I'm still wondering if he's really just trying to get me in the more expensive customer build option.
Many thanks
Jan 5, 2008 6:09:44 AM
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