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nberry said:
430, 997TT and Z06. Here is what they wrote:

"You could argue that the Porsche is the more complete car or the Corvette should win because of its enormous value for the dollar, but bank account willing, this is the car (430) out of the trio.It is an astonishing achievement for such a small automaker, because as well as providing so much excitement and entertainment, it is a perfectly good daily driver. THE MERE EXISTENCE OF THIS CAR BRINGS US TO QUESTION WHY YOU WOULD WANT (OR NEED) A BUGGATI VEYRON OR A PORSCHE CGT,OR EVEN A FERRARI 599GTB. IT IS THAT GOOD.

Indeed high praise. But of course, those of us fortunate enough to own a 430 knew that already. To think the 430 will be replaced in a short two years with something even better, bodes well for us Ferrariphiles.

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nberry said:
Patriek, what makes you think I do not know my car? Because I do not boast what I do with it?

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nberry said:
430, 997TT and Z06. Here is what they wrote:

"You could argue that the Porsche is the more complete car or the Corvette should win because of its enormous value for the dollar, but bank account willing, this is the car (430) out of the trio.It is an astonishing achievement for such a small automaker, because as well as providing so much excitement and entertainment, it is a perfectly good daily driver. THE MERE EXISTENCE OF THIS CAR BRINGS US TO QUESTION WHY YOU WOULD WANT (OR NEED) A BUGGATI VEYRON OR A PORSCHE CGT,OR EVEN A FERRARI 599GTB. IT IS THAT GOOD.

Indeed high praise. But of course, those of us fortunate enough to own a 430 knew that already. To think the 430 will be replaced in a short two years with something even better, bodes well for us Ferrariphiles.

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Porky Tokyo said:
I would love a 430 but I think the quote from the article admits that Porsche achieves what it aims for - "It is incredibly fast and rewarding to drive at almost any speed, thanks to the beautifully weighted controls, it's a car you can use everday, rain, or shine, in the city or on the open road" - just to quote you.

I don't really compare sirloin and rib eye : ) both nice! Both cars are amazing and I think if I had the means I would both!

I once read somewhere because Porsche sells more 911's than Ferrari does all its models and a lot (not all) Porsche owners could buy either but choose Porsche says a lot for Porsche - there are so many different pro Porsche or Ferrari arguments I don't even go there!

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DavidSF said:

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Porky Tokyo said:
I would love a 430 but I think the quote from the article admits that Porsche achieves what it aims for - "It is incredibly fast and rewarding to drive at almost any speed, thanks to the beautifully weighted controls, it's a car you can use everday, rain, or shine, in the city or on the open road" - just to quote you.

I don't really compare sirloin and rib eye : ) both nice! Both cars are amazing and I think if I had the means I would both!

I once read somewhere because Porsche sells more 911's than Ferrari does all its models and a lot (not all) Porsche owners could buy either but choose Porsche says a lot for Porsche - there are so many different pro Porsche or Ferrari arguments I don't even go there!

You're on the right track...now what if that sirloin or rib eye cost 100% more than the other, which one you pick then? That my friend is the most important point of the C&D article that Nick quoted.

Nick cynically thinks all Porsche drivers secretly yearn for a Ferrari but couldn't afford or wait for one. Same kind of perverted thinking by some snobs that wear Rolex watches (I hear the new Daytona has a one year waiting list) think of guys who wear Omega. These types of people are in the minority (note there's exactly one person with Nick's viewpoints on rennteam.com) and are basically trolls suffering from the usual borderline psychological problems that are the root cause of cynical and twisted thinking making them trolls.

I know several Porsche owners that could easily afford a Ferrari. Sometimes it comes down to whether you're a "Porsche guy" or a "Ferrari guy" and individual personality. Take Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple and Pixar) and Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle). Larry's daily driver is a Ferrari and fits his personality (I doubt Larry goes around poo-pooing Porsche like Nick). Steve Jobs is a "Porsche guy". He drove a 928 during his Apple days. He drove a 911 during his NeXT days. Now I hear he drives a Carrera GT. He could have had the latest Ferrari at any time (after Apple's IPO) but never bought one. I don't think he ever will. Steve understands and appreciates engineering and design, i.e. substance over style.


David

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DavidSF said:

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Porky Tokyo said:
I would love a 430 but I think the quote from the article admits that Porsche achieves what it aims for - "It is incredibly fast and rewarding to drive at almost any speed, thanks to the beautifully weighted controls, it's a car you can use everday, rain, or shine, in the city or on the open road" - just to quote you.

I don't really compare sirloin and rib eye : ) both nice! Both cars are amazing and I think if I had the means I would both!

I once read somewhere because Porsche sells more 911's than Ferrari does all its models and a lot (not all) Porsche owners could buy either but choose Porsche says a lot for Porsche - there are so many different pro Porsche or Ferrari arguments I don't even go there!

You're on the right track...now what if that sirloin or rib eye cost 100% more than the other, which one you pick then? That my friend is the most important point of the C&D article that Nick quoted.

Nick cynically thinks all Porsche drivers secretly yearn for a Ferrari but couldn't afford or wait for one. Same kind of perverted thinking by some snobs that wear Rolex watches (I hear the new Daytona has a one year waiting list) think of guys who wear Omega. These types of people are in the minority (note there's exactly one person with Nick's viewpoints on rennteam.com) and are basically trolls suffering from the usual borderline psychological problems that are the root cause of cynical and twisted thinking making them trolls.

I know several Porsche owners that could easily afford a Ferrari. Sometimes it comes down to whether you're a "Porsche guy" or a "Ferrari guy" and individual personality. Take Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple and Pixar) and Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle). Larry's daily driver is a Ferrari and fits his personality (I doubt Larry goes around poo-pooing Porsche like Nick). Steve Jobs is a "Porsche guy". He drove a 928 during his Apple days. He drove a 911 during his NeXT days. Now I hear he drives a Carrera GT. He could have had the latest Ferrari at any time (after Apple's IPO) but never bought one. I don't think he ever will. Steve understands and appreciates engineering and design, i.e. substance over style.


David

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Porky Tokyo said:
I would love a 430 but I think the quote from the article admits that Porsche achieves what it aims for - "It is incredibly fast and rewarding to drive at almost any speed, thanks to the beautifully weighted controls, it's a car you can use everday, rain, or shine, in the city or on the open road" - just to quote you.

I don't really compare sirloin and rib eye : ) both nice! Both cars are amazing and I think if I had the means I would both!

I once read somewhere because Porsche sells more 911's than Ferrari does all its models and a lot (not all) Porsche owners could buy either but choose Porsche says a lot for Porsche - there are so many different pro Porsche or Ferrari arguments I don't even go there!

You're on the right track...now what if that sirloin or rib eye cost 100% more than the other, which one you pick then? That my friend is the most important point of the C&D article that Nick quoted.

Nick cynically thinks all Porsche drivers secretly yearn for a Ferrari but couldn't afford or wait for one. Same kind of perverted thinking by some snobs that wear Rolex watches (I hear the new Daytona has a one year waiting list) think of guys who wear Omega. These types of people are in the minority (note there's exactly one person with Nick's viewpoints on rennteam.com) and are basically trolls suffering from the usual borderline psychological problems that are the root cause of cynical and twisted thinking making them trolls.

I know several Porsche owners that could easily afford a Ferrari. Sometimes it comes down to whether you're a "Porsche guy" or a "Ferrari guy" and individual personality. Take Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple and Pixar) and Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle). Larry's daily driver is a Ferrari and fits his personality (I doubt Larry goes around poo-pooing Porsche like Nick). Steve Jobs is a "Porsche guy". He drove a 928 during his Apple days. He drove a 911 during his NeXT days. Now I hear he drives a Carrera GT. He could have had the latest Ferrari at any time (after Apple's IPO) but never bought one. I don't think he ever will. Steve understands and appreciates engineering and design, i.e. substance over style.


David

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Gary(SF) said:

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DavidSF said:

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Porky Tokyo said:
I would love a 430 but I think the quote from the article admits that Porsche achieves what it aims for - "It is incredibly fast and rewarding to drive at almost any speed, thanks to the beautifully weighted controls, it's a car you can use everday, rain, or shine, in the city or on the open road" - just to quote you.

I don't really compare sirloin and rib eye : ) both nice! Both cars are amazing and I think if I had the means I would both!

I once read somewhere because Porsche sells more 911's than Ferrari does all its models and a lot (not all) Porsche owners could buy either but choose Porsche says a lot for Porsche - there are so many different pro Porsche or Ferrari arguments I don't even go there!

You're on the right track...now what if that sirloin or rib eye cost 100% more than the other, which one you pick then? That my friend is the most important point of the C&D article that Nick quoted.

Nick cynically thinks all Porsche drivers secretly yearn for a Ferrari but couldn't afford or wait for one. Same kind of perverted thinking by some snobs that wear Rolex watches (I hear the new Daytona has a one year waiting list) think of guys who wear Omega. These types of people are in the minority (note there's exactly one person with Nick's viewpoints on rennteam.com) and are basically trolls suffering from the usual borderline psychological problems that are the root cause of cynical and twisted thinking making them trolls.

I know several Porsche owners that could easily afford a Ferrari. Sometimes it comes down to whether you're a "Porsche guy" or a "Ferrari guy" and individual personality. Take Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple and Pixar) and Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle). Larry's daily driver is a Ferrari and fits his personality (I doubt Larry goes around poo-pooing Porsche like Nick). Steve Jobs is a "Porsche guy". He drove a 928 during his Apple days. He drove a 911 during his NeXT days. Now I hear he drives a Carrera GT. He could have had the latest Ferrari at any time (after Apple's IPO) but never bought one. I don't think he ever will. Steve understands and appreciates engineering and design, i.e. substance over style.


David

I don't know...I think rather than "Porsche guys" and "Ferrari guys", we're all car guys and circumstances, to a large degree, dictate what we choose to buy and drive. I owned Porsches all my life until just a few years ago when I had an opportunity to buy a new 360 Modena at MSRP. I wasn't about to pass it up, because frankly, for all the talk of sirloin and rib eye, it's cheaper - way cheaper - to drive Ferraris than Porsches if you can buy Ferraris at MSRP. And I must say, it is the best thing that ever happened to me in the car world. The only thing you give up when you own a Ferrari instead of a Porsche, really, is the daily driver quotient, which to me is not that important, since I own these cars for secluded-road drives and track days, not as daily drivers. What you gain is an intensity in the driving experience that is simply not there in Porsche, whether it's exhaust note, steering feel, gearing...all of the above I guess. But, and back to the original point, if circumstances were different, I'd still be driving Porsches, loving them, but not really knowing what I'm missing.

Gary

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nberry said:it is a perfectly good daily driver.

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DavidSF said:
Hmmmm...well, unless you've driven the Carrera GT and 997 Turbo, you might not know what you're missing.

David

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Blk987S said:
Nick, I must admit that your 430 is a masterpiece!

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nberry said:
I have driven the Cgt extensively and while I will acknowledge its performance is far above the 430, it is not as much fun to drive. Like CAR muagazine a notoriously pro=Porsche magazine recently commented on the CGT "it is hard to drive well".

Regarding the 997TT, I cannot comment but I believe the world press has pretty much outline its deficiencies. No doubt a terrific car but BORING to drive. It is what it is.

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Rossi said:
Ferrari succeeded in creating one of the greatest mid-engined sports cars ever made, by developing the F430 out of the (relatively) disappointing 360 Modena. The F430 surely is as much (if not more) a masterpiece, as Porsche claims for their new Turbo. And if Ferrari continues on its way and will introduce all these goodies now seen at the 599 in the 430 successor, combined with an all new, even more exciting shape than the F430 - which is basically "only" a beefed up version of the original 360 design in that respect - I can't wait for 2009.

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Gary(SF) said:

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Rossi said:
Ferrari succeeded in creating one of the greatest mid-engined sports cars ever made, by developing the F430 out of the (relatively) disappointing 360 Modena. The F430 surely is as much (if not more) a masterpiece, as Porsche claims for their new Turbo. And if Ferrari continues on its way and will introduce all these goodies now seen at the 599 in the 430 successor, combined with an all new, even more exciting shape than the F430 - which is basically "only" a beefed up version of the original 360 design in that respect - I can't wait for 2009.

I can't agree with your 360 assessment. Until I bought the 430, the 360 was, by a large margin, the best, most entertaining, most satisfying car I ever owned, and I have owned perhaps a dozen Porsches. I would still pick it over any Porsche except the CGT. Absolutely nothing disappointing about that car at all.

Gary

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Rossi said:
Ferrari succeeded in creating one of the greatest mid-engined sports cars ever made, by developing the F430 out of the (relatively) disappointing 360 Modena. The F430 surely is as much (if not more) a masterpiece, as Porsche claims for their new Turbo. And if Ferrari continues on its way and will introduce all these goodies now seen at the 599 in the 430 successor, combined with an all new, even more exciting shape than the F430 - which is basically "only" a beefed up version of the original 360 design in that respect - I can't wait for 2009.

I can't agree with your 360 assessment. Until I bought the 430, the 360 was, by a large margin, the best, most entertaining, most satisfying car I ever owned, and I have owned perhaps a dozen Porsches. I would still pick it over any Porsche except the CGT. Absolutely nothing disappointing about that car at all.

Gary

There's always something better isn't there? It's true, there are people out there that consider the F360 a boring car.

David

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OneCarrut said:
My 06 430 6 speed coupe is my 4th Ferrari, My 06 997S Cab is my 39th Porsche. I love them both, yes they are different, but I happen to be one of those who believe that coupes are drivers cars, convertables are cruising cars. Cars are my passion and my vice, and I am neither a Porsche guy or a Ferrari guy, I am a car guy. I will say this much though, for pure driver feedback, Ferrari is tough to beat.

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OneCarrut said:
My 06 430 6 speed coupe is my 4th Ferrari, My 06 997S Cab is my 39th Porsche. I love them both, yes they are different, but I happen to be one of those who believe that coupes are drivers cars, convertables are cruising cars. Cars are my passion and my vice, and I am neither a Porsche guy or a Ferrari guy, I am a car guy. I will say this much though, for pure driver feedback, Ferrari is tough to beat.

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nberry said:

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OneCarrut said:
My 06 430 6 speed coupe is my 4th Ferrari, My 06 997S Cab is my 39th Porsche. I love them both, yes they are different, but I happen to be one of those who believe that coupes are drivers cars, convertables are cruising cars. Cars are my passion and my vice, and I am neither a Porsche guy or a Ferrari guy, I am a car guy. I will say this much though, for pure driver feedback, Ferrari is tough to beat.

Well you got almost everything right. Convertibles provide the excitement of everyday driving that coupes lack unless you are on a track. Keep in mind, the CGT the ultimate performance Porsche, is a convertible.

BTW, the 997 GT3 and RS are based on everything I have read, apparently are exciting track cars to drive.