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    Jun 28, 2006 8:49:51 AM

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    Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    Maybe this has been discussed before, but i haven't found an according thread.

    I just noticed that the upcoming 997 GT3 RS doesn't have this (IMO ugly) "Sport Chrono" clock on the dash.

    Hm. This is THE Porsche for the track. If you spec a regular 997/987, you are forced to tick the Chrono package box because of all the comprised features like PASM sport mode, TT overboost etc AFAIK -- if you like the clock or not.

    But the GT3 RS... well... doesn't!

    So regular Boxsters or 997's have a lap timer on the dash... so owners can measure their commuter run... while the decdicated track machine GT3 RS doesn't... i really don't get it.

    Lucky car!

    Jun 28, 2006 1:17:50 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    im guessing weight savings. if they use a sticker for the crest on the "hood" ...then i'd say that they'd omit the wart as well

    Jun 28, 2006 1:58:40 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    Perhaps the wart is actually a true poser thing. Perhaps they consulted track officionados and found they don't want the thing. Maybe the only person who likes the wart is a marketing type for the Carrera.

    BTW, will Porsche void the warrenty if the GT3 is run on a track?

    Jun 28, 2006 2:09:12 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    Quote:
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    Perhaps the wart is actually a true poser thing. Perhaps they consulted track officionados and found they don't want the thing. Maybe the only person who likes the wart is a marketing type for the Carrera.

    BTW, will Porsche void the warrenty if the GT3 is run on a track?



    plus, anyone who seriously tracks the car will have REAL timing gear on the car, & not have a need for a manual stopwatch on the dash

    Jun 28, 2006 2:17:04 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    plus, anyone who seriously tracks the car will have REAL timing gear on the car, & not have a need for a manual stopwatch on the dash



    I thought they stated somewhere that the RS has preparation for such a function...
    -Joost-

    Jun 28, 2006 2:19:13 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    plus, anyone who seriously tracks the car will have REAL timing gear on the car, & not have a need for a manual stopwatch on the dash



    I thought they stated somewhere that the RS has preparation for such a function...
    -Joost-



    thats what i mean, i'm not sure if it comes with it or not, but a real racer wants REAL timing equipment. not a novelty piece

    Jun 28, 2006 2:19:13 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    Perhaps the wart is actually a true poser thing.



    Sorry, I don't want to offend anyone. Get what makes you happy. It's just that "everyone" seems to wish the wart wasn't there; they only got it because it came with the throttle mapping and other misc. stuff.

    Jun 28, 2006 11:19:01 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    It's just that "everyone" seems to wish the wart wasn't there



    Absolutely not accurate.

    Jun 28, 2006 11:47:28 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    Quote:
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    It's just that "everyone" seems to wish the wart wasn't there



    Absolutely not accurate.




    With all due respect, do you have some hard data (like a poll) that indicates people are mostly happy with the stopwatch occupying the central dashboard?

    BTW, "everyone seems..." are my operative words.

    Would be interesting to do a poll.

    There'd probably be three main groups.

    one group of guys who like/love the [aftermarket-looking] stopwatch sitting proudly on the dash.

    A group which doesn't mind it and would not miss it if it disappeared.

    Third group who hates it.

    IOW, if SC were available WITHOUT the stopwatch you'd see alot fewer stopwatches on the dash.

    I dunno, I hear alot of complaints about it and it *did* get named "the wart" which is obviously not very flattering... .

    Jun 28, 2006 11:49:30 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    I guess that this is proof that it's really a gimmick.

    Jun 29, 2006 2:15:16 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    Just goes to show that the wart is for posers.

    Jun 29, 2006 2:45:31 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    FWIW, I think the "wart" is cooooool! Flame on!

    Jun 29, 2006 3:18:19 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    FWIW, I think the "wart" is cooooool! Flame on!





    Perhaps this would be a better choice. It looks just as good stuck onto the dash AND it tells time (doesn't just measure it)!

    LOL, just kiddin'

    Jun 29, 2006 3:51:29 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    if it's any consolation, GT3 RS does not hv [GASP] full leather either!!

    Jun 29, 2006 8:45:00 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    Just because the Sport function in serie. As individual option there is a separate Chrono Package (or Chrono Package Plus with PCM) containing only the chronometrical tools: chrono on dashboard (and on PCM if equipped).

    Bye!

    Jun 29, 2006 9:01:34 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    Just because the Sport function in serie. As individual option there is a separate Chrono Package (or Chrono Package Plus with PCM) containing only the chronometrical tools: chrono on dashboard (and on PCM if equipped).

    Bye!



    Correct.

    Jun 29, 2006 1:17:38 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    Just because the Sport function in serie. As individual option there is a separate Chrono Package (or Chrono Package Plus with PCM) containing only the chronometrical tools: chrono on dashboard (and on PCM if equipped).

    Bye!



    Correct.



    So if I got that right it will be possible to additionally get the stopwatch for the RS? How much does it cost?

    I do hope that the Sport package will be available without the silly stopwatch in the future - it does look fine on the Boxster in between the two airvents on the dashboard but it does hurt the lines on the classic shape of the 911's. Of course, this is not only my opinion...

    Jun 29, 2006 1:54:35 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    I'm hopeful that this might signal the ultimate disappearance of the wart. If only it had happened in time for my C2S to have been wart free.

    Jun 29, 2006 2:28:19 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    it does look fine on the Boxster in between the two airvents on the dashboard but it does hurt the lines on the classic shape of the 911's. Of course, this is not only my opinion...



    What's funny is the 996 interior look has been called "loaf-of-bread" because of it's oval-oid shaping of the dash and other trim (doors, console etc).

    The 997 interior seems to have moved away from the l-o-b design vocabulary. The straight-line retro look of the early 911 is featured. Funny that the SC stopwatch retains the "loaf-of-bread" shape IOW, it would look more appropriate in a 996.

    Jun 29, 2006 2:41:25 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    the wart just provides an ideal location for a boost gauge for those who choose to add a super/turbo charger to their 997's

    Jun 30, 2006 1:10:16 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    I think if Porsche really wants their drivers to use the Sport Chrono as a lap timer, they should develop a GPS based system (like aftermarket developers).

    Jun 30, 2006 2:55:53 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    If you were actually doing hot laps that thing is 101% useless..... I also got it because of the sport suspension and throttle package that it was bundled with....

    Jun 30, 2006 3:09:49 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    I have to admit, I bought the sports chrono because everyone was saying that it was a must option....so far have only used it a couple of times and if I were ordering the car today, it wouldn't be in my specs

    Jun 30, 2006 9:53:00 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    I have to admit, I bought the sports chrono because everyone was saying that it was a must option....so far have only used it a couple of times and if I were ordering the car today, it wouldn't be in my specs



    You mean you've only used Sport mode a couple of times?

    I must admit that I find the different throttle map a pain in the ass to get used to. The alternative is to have it in sport mode all the time, but I like the idea of having PSM on with it's normal settings for normal driving, plus I find Sport mode too aggressive for use with a cold engine. All in all, I wish that:

    1. the throttle map was half way between sport and normal aall the time
    2. you could switch from normal to sport mode PSM settings manually without needing a change in the throttle map
    3. the wart wasn't there.

    Jul 2, 2006 11:43:41 AM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

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    I just noticed that the upcoming 997 GT3 RS doesn't have this (IMO ugly) "Sport Chrono" clock on the dash.



    The rental Ford Ka I had the pleasure to enjoy last week in Holland had the Chrono Sport package! We now know where Porsche got the inspiration from...

    Jul 2, 2006 1:45:04 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    Pierre, you've got it exactly right.

    Porsche put that wart there because it was becoming a popular styling cue in many cars in fact. How can a 911 be attractive to the wealthy looking for a status symbol when it doesn't have the cool look that their Infiniti has? The same goes for the 50 buttons on the dash and the TV monitor in the 911, the chrome trim on the 997 Targa, and the overstyling on the 997 GT3 and Turbo. These are all silly styling trends of the present.

    Anyone who tries to rationalize that wart as a useful tool for the track aficionado is deluding themselves. And anyone who thinks it's cool now will be changing there minds in a few years when this ridiculous trend has gone.

    Jul 2, 2006 1:54:33 PM

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    These are all silly styling trends of the present.

    And anyone who thinks it's cool now will be changing there minds in a few years when this ridiculous trend has gone.



    Amen Brother.

    Whatever it takes to sell cars. I liked the product better when Porsche was a struggling company with an uncertain future. I hate my 997S's 19s, cop-like PITA PCM, and fake quads.

    Jul 2, 2006 8:03:20 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    I have found the remarks and thoughts on this subject in this forum to be most refreshing and contrary to the general consensus of other forums. I am in agreement with many of the posters here in regards to Sport Chrono.

    I currently have a 2007 997S on order that is scheduled for production on July 13 so I am starting to see light at the end of the tunnel and the count down now begins in earnest.

    When I listed my options on another forum I was chastised (by some) both in public posts and PM's for NOT ordering the Sport Chrono.

    I am not a fan of front loaded throttles as I much prefer the more linear throttle of the "old" carbureted days. Call it personal preference but my current 2004 M3 has a sport button that changes the throttle in much the same way as the Sport Chrono and I never use it. Granted the Sport Chrono offers more features than just the throttle mapping, but between the throttle, and in my view, unsightly gauge on an otherwise clean dash, was enough for me to opt out. I do wish I had the option to change the PSM, but in all actuality doubt I would ever need to even use that feature as I found the PSM to be very unobtrusive in a two day PDE I attended in March. I will have PSE (I ordered the X51 kit) so I will have separate control of the PSE which would have been integrated into the Sport Chrono and as I will be the only driver the individual preference features are a mute point. The only thing I don't quite understand about the Sport Chrono is the difference in the rev limiter cut out. All in all, I didn't see the Sport Chrono as a must have and subsequently didn't order it.

    This is what I am waiting for taken from my ProForma invoice. I also opted out on the short shifter as I have never liked them, but they were all after market and I could add that option at a latter date.

    2007 Carrera S Coupe
    59 Slate Grey Metallic
    AT Black Full Leather
    022 Instrument Dials in Black
    XD9 Rims and Caps - Exterior Color
    267 Self Dimming Mirrors
    X51 Carrera Power Kit
    450 Ceramic Composite Brakes-PCCB
    342 Heated Front Seats
    XSA Sport Seat Backs Painted
    XPA 3-Spoke Str Whl-Interior Lthr
    XMP Lthr Sun Visors Lighted Mirror
    670 Navigation for PCM
    680 Bose High End Sound Package
    803 Carbon Package
    XMJ Rear Center Console - Carbon
    P01L Adaptive Sport Sts Lthr Int
    X69 Carbon Door Sil Model Insignia

    Jul 3, 2006 2:04:28 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    jerrygee, that is one HOT car. Except for exterior color adaptive seats, and nav, its basically my dream 911.

    Pls share some pics and thoughts when it arrives.

    Jul 3, 2006 2:18:33 PM

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    Re: Why comes the track machine without Sport Chrono clock?

    Quote:
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    The rental Ford Ka I had the pleasure to enjoy last week in Holland had the Chrono Sport package! We now know where Porsche got the inspiration from...





    Pierre,
    You should have told me you were in Holland! I would have given you a ride in my Nissan Sunny!
    -Joost-
     
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