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    997 Turbo 7.40 NBR

    http://wheeltalk.fancal.net/?cat=3

    Motortrend test with Cup tyres - no other info.

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    Best Ferrari time is 7:55 (430/F1 in 1/06)? NICK , how can this be???

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    I wonder if the 997 Turbo was Tip or manual?

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    Very simple - the quoted F 430 time is from "Sportauto" mag, meaning HvS drove the F-car. And as we all know, HvS is a secret P-agent and has no clue how to drive a F-car.

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    7.39* - 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)

    Sorry, that list sucks. SportAuto-time was 7:49!

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    Porsche-Jeck said:
    Very simple - the quoted F 430 time is from "Sportauto" mag, meaning HvS drove the F-car. And as we all know, HvS is a secret P-agent and has no clue how to drive a F-car.



    Yes, thanks to "Double-Oh-Saurma", Ferrari has been embarrassed. Again .

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    Thanks!!

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    'Philipp Arnold, a Porsche test driver, spent 12 weeks at the Nürburgring with engineers honing tyre, suspension and traction management systems. There he did a best lap time of 7:42 in a 997 Turbo on the optional 'Sport' tyre package (road-legal semi-slicks), and 7:49 on the standard 19-inch tyre package.'

    http://wheels.carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/De...;Alias=wheelsau

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    well... not much of an announcement to be proud of!!

    in 2001 the 996tt did 7.54 with street tires! (sportauto) so five seconds less five years later is not impressive at all...

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    Was thar a flying lap or a lap that began with a standing start?

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    Dun no but 7.40 looks pretty impressive when you look at the company:

    7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
    7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
    7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
    7:42* - 160.519 km/h - Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
    7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h - Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&mID=1384471&l=d
    7:43 - 160.173 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
    7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)


    A tie w/ the Bugatti & SLR beating the Ford GT, Z06 & GT3RS. Doesn't get much better than that imo.

    btw: Nick did say this would happen.

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    Since we have "unofficial" Porsche factory Ring time for manual: 7.42min(Cup's) and 7.49min(normal tires)
    TIP: 7.45min(Cup's) and 7.52min(normal tires)

    some of you will be really not very pleased when Sport Auto publishe Ring time for both versions. Manual with optional LSD is faster then TIP but, 7.40min time is pure fantasy!
    One hint-September issue of Sport Auto...

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    KresoF1 said:
    Since we have "unofficial" Porsche factory Ring time for manual: 7.42min(Cup's) and 7.49min(normal tires)
    TIP: 7.45min(Cup's) and 7.52min(normal tires)

    some of you will be really not very pleased when Sport Auto publishe Ring time for both versions. Manual with optional LSD is faster then TIP but, 7.40min time is pure fantasy!
    One hint-September issue of Sport Auto...



    Kreso, you're such a teaser!

    BTW, do you start this "hint-hint" thing now as well?

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    'On new optional Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, the Turbo is claimed to lap the famed Nürburgring in 7 minutes, 42 seconds. That's 18 sec. quicker than the 996 Turbo.For more performance, an optional limited-slip differential is available for the rear.'

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=20&article_id=3574&print_page=y

    Any guesses on how much LSD reduces the manual lap time?

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    AUM said:
    'On new optional Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, the Turbo is claimed to lap the famed Nürburgring in 7 minutes, 42 seconds. That's 18 sec. quicker than the 996 Turbo.For more performance, an optional limited-slip differential is available for the rear.'

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=20&article_id=3574&print_page=y

    Any guesses on how much LSD reduces the manual lap time?



    They also say .."There is no longer any turbo lag. The power is immediate and as responsive as a light switch."



    Was Porsche using differently tuned 997TT's for auto journalists than what customers have been getting???


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    Quote:
    TulsaTurbo said:
    Best Ferrari time is 7:55 (430/F1 in 1/06)? NICK , how can this be???


    430 had PZero Corsa not Michelin Cup, a "little" difference

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    Duncan said:
    Quote:
    TulsaTurbo said:
    Best Ferrari time is 7:55 (430/F1 in 1/06)? NICK , how can this be???


    430 had PZero Corsa not Michelin Cup, a "little" difference



    They are semi-slick tyres, so the difference is really LITTLE.

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    turbolite said:
    well... not much of an announcement to be proud of!!

    in 2001 the 996tt did 7.54 with street tires! (sportauto) so five seconds less five years later is not impressive at all...



    Why is it not impressive? Is there another AWD production car with better numbers, reliability, price, service network, and optional Tip/manual?

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    The Turbo with street tires beat the 430 with corsas easily (7:49-7:55).

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    Would you guys PLEASE stop this BS!

    As long as we don't have an "official" Sport Auto time, we have to wait. Otherwise we can't compare the times. Different drivers, different measuring equipment/accuracy, different conditions, different... You just can't compare the times, it is impossible. You can only compare times from one magazine to the other...maybe and not always.

    Regarding the 997 Turbo Manual and Tip: so the Tip was 3 seconds slowlier on the Nordschleife...a 20km track. And very likely driven by a non-Tip used driver (Horst v. Saurma). Sorry, Kreso but...I'm IMPRESSED. I actually thought that a pro would do around 5 seconds better with manual.

    Regarding Michelin Cup and Pirelli Corsa tires: same stuff, semi-slicks. No advantage for the Corsas.

    Anyway: the 997 Turbo is a pretty fast car and surprise, surprise, you can use it ALWAYS...when it rains, when it snows (with proper tires), you can move the family (did 400 km with the kids and wife last weekend) and you can even fit to large Samsonites in the back if you don't have kids.

    Want a perfect track car: get a 997 GT3 RS.

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    Christian, I am impressed too! Porsche claimed that manual(with LSD) is ONLY 3s faster around Ring!
    But, as you alredy said in von Saurma hands manual(with LSD) is little bit more then 3s faster around Ring.
    Sport Auto September 2006 issue...
    BTW, I commented "fantasy" 7.40min time...

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    There is big difference between Corsa and Cup, believe me




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    Quote:
    Duncan said:
    There is big difference between Corsa and Cup, believe me







    Really? So enlighten me.

    Little hint: the Michelin Cup used by Porsche is N-classified.

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    Here are the Cup's in N-rated version.
    Corsa's will also be soon available in N-rated version...

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    RC said:
    Would you guys PLEASE stop this BS!

    As long as we don't have an "official" Sport Auto time, we have to wait. Otherwise we can't compare the times. Different drivers, different measuring equipment/accuracy, different conditions, different... You just can't compare the times, it is impossible. You can only compare times from one magazine to the other...maybe and not always.

    Regarding the 997 Turbo Manual and Tip: so the Tip was 3 seconds slowlier on the Nordschleife...a 20km track. And very likely driven by a non-Tip used driver (Horst v. Saurma). Sorry, Kreso but...I'm IMPRESSED. I actually thought that a pro would do around 5 seconds better with manual.

    Regarding Michelin Cup and Pirelli Corsa tires: same stuff, semi-slicks. No advantage for the Corsas.

    Anyway: the 997 Turbo is a pretty fast car and surprise, surprise, you can use it ALWAYS...when it rains, when it snows (with proper tires), you can move the family (did 400 km with the kids and wife last weekend) and you can even fit to large Samsonites in the back if you don't have kids.

    Want a perfect track car: get a 997 GT3 RS.



    The Turbo sounds good!

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    Quote:
    RC said:
    Would you guys PLEASE stop this BS!
    Regarding the 997 Turbo Manual and Tip: so the Tip was 3 seconds slowlier on the Nordschleife...a 20km track. And very likely driven by a non-Tip used driver (Horst v. Saurma). Sorry, Kreso but...I'm IMPRESSED. I actually thought that a pro would do around 5 seconds better with manual.




    If 3 seconds are not considered much on the NBR the new 997TT (Tip and manual) is a complete disaster. Why?

    The old 996TTS with x73 would most likely do 7:50-7:52 (as compared to 7:56 of a an old 420hp TT with standard suspension and old tires from the year 2000).

    If the new 997TT Manual with SC and LSD should do the NBR in 7:49 on streeet tires this is just 1-3 seconds faster than in case of the 996TTSx73!

    By your your above definiton you would basically agree that the new 997TT represents no (significant) track performance improvement at all

    P.S.: Maybe the car will be much faster than 7:49 in the (relevant) SuperTest. Who knows If not, we apparently share the same view of the "improvements" the new TT offers

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    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    RC said:
    Would you guys PLEASE stop this BS!
    Regarding the 997 Turbo Manual and Tip: so the Tip was 3 seconds slowlier on the Nordschleife...a 20km track. And very likely driven by a non-Tip used driver (Horst v. Saurma). Sorry, Kreso but...I'm IMPRESSED. I actually thought that a pro would do around 5 seconds better with manual.




    If 3 seconds are not considered much on the NBR the new 997TT (Tip and manual) is a complete disaster. Why?

    The old 996TTS with x73 would most likely do 7:50-7:52 (as compared to 7:56 of a an old 420hp TT with standard suspension and old tires from the year 2000).

    If the new 997TT Manual with SC and LSD should do the NBR in 7:49 on streeet tires this is just 1-3 seconds faster than in case of the 996TTSx73!

    By your your above definiton you would basically agree that the new 997TT represents no (significant) track performance improvement at all

    P.S.: Maybe the car will be much faster than 7:49 in the (relevant) SuperTest. Who knows If not, we apparently share the same view of the "improvements" the new TT offers



    I second that. The 997 Turbo manual/LSD time needs to very close to 7.40 to be credible.

    I am having lunch in at the Ring now (on my way to work). The track opens at 14.15. I just have time for six laps (one tank of gas) before heading on to another country with passengers and luggage.

    Only a Turbo can beat F430s on the Ring and then drive off with the family in comfort.

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    Quote:
    AUM said:
    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    RC said:
    Would you guys PLEASE stop this BS!
    Regarding the 997 Turbo Manual and Tip: so the Tip was 3 seconds slowlier on the Nordschleife...a 20km track. And very likely driven by a non-Tip used driver (Horst v. Saurma). Sorry, Kreso but...I'm IMPRESSED. I actually thought that a pro would do around 5 seconds better with manual.




    If 3 seconds are not considered much on the NBR the new 997TT (Tip and manual) is a complete disaster. Why?

    The old 996TTS with x73 would most likely do 7:50-7:52 (as compared to 7:56 of a an old 420hp TT with standard suspension and old tires from the year 2000).

    If the new 997TT Manual with SC and LSD should do the NBR in 7:49 on streeet tires this is just 1-3 seconds faster than in case of the 996TTSx73!

    By your your above definiton you would basically agree that the new 997TT represents no (significant) track performance improvement at all

    P.S.: Maybe the car will be much faster than 7:49 in the (relevant) SuperTest. Who knows If not, we apparently share the same view of the "improvements" the new TT offers



    I second that. The 997 Turbo manual/LSD time needs to very close to 7.40 to be credible.

    I am having lunch in at the Ring now (on my way to work). The track opens at 14.15. I just have time for six laps (one tank of gas) before heading on to another country with passengers and luggage.

    Only a Turbo can beat F430s on the Ring and then drive off with the family in comfort.



    I'd seriously like to see a 996TT X50 with LSD and X73 tested at the 'Ring. I'm pretty sure it would match 7:50.

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    3 seconds IS much but not if you compare the same car, manual with automatic tranny. There are also some remaining question, especially how much the driver was used to driving Tiptronic (Horst v. Saurma surely isn't). It requires a certain "adaptation" to Tip and I doubt that HvS did more than two rounds in the 997 Turbo Tip, I'd even say only one.

    Regarding the 996 Turbo S with X73: according to one of our sources, it is merely 2 seconds faster than the 996 Turbo on the Nordschleife. I know, I know, people would want to hear a better time but apparently X73 isn't that of an advantage on the Nordschleife, so just the additional power helps the car to be faster. This would mean 7:54 with HvS at the steering wheel. Considering the rumors about the recent 997 Turbo Nordschleife track time, I'd say that almost 10 seconds difference are impressive. Especially since the 997 Turbo has "only" 30 HP more and PASM, not a true sport chassis like X73.

    Regarding Tip, I want to say it again: a non-pro driver will always be faster with Tip, meaning: all these comparisons are (to say it in German) "für die Katz'".
    I agree, a 3 seconds difference between the 996 Turbo S X73 and the new 997 Turbo would be a little bit disappointing but there is more than that, thanks god.

    If you have some time on Sunday after the party, I may be able to prove my point.

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    Quote:
    RC said:
    3 seconds IS much but not if you compare the same car, manual with automatic tranny. There are also some remaining question, especially how much the driver was used to driving Tiptronic (Horst v. Saurma surely isn't). It requires a certain "adaptation" to Tip and I doubt that HvS did more than two rounds in the 997 Turbo Tip, I'd even say only one.

    Regarding the 996 Turbo S with X73: according to one of our sources, it is merely 2 seconds faster than the 996 Turbo on the Nordschleife. I know, I know, people would want to hear a better time but apparently X73 isn't that of an advantage on the Nordschleife, so just the additional power helps the car to be faster. This would mean 7:54 with HvS at the steering wheel. Considering the rumors about the recent 997 Turbo Nordschleife track time, I'd say that almost 10 seconds difference are impressive. Especially since the 997 Turbo has "only" 30 HP more and PASM, not a true sport chassis like X73.

    Regarding Tip, I want to say it again: a non-pro driver will always be faster with Tip, meaning: all these comparisons are (to say it in German) "für die Katz'".
    I agree, a 3 seconds difference between the 996 Turbo S X73 and the new 997 Turbo would be a little bit disappointing but there is more than that, thanks god.

    If you have some time on Sunday after the party, I may be able to prove my point.



    Christian, any idea why Porsche didn't introduce a dedicated sport chassis for the Turbo, such as the -20 mm in the Carrera S?

     
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