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No, no, but the Cayenne Turbo S in the hands of some special drivers will absolutely demolish the CGT, the Enzo and the Veyron..
Not to mention that it will actually GAIN fuel while thrashing these cars!
You mean by driving the car you gain energy. It is the solution for all our energy problems
AM
PS. are you saturday in Kalrsruhe?
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dhayek said:
as for the CT story , it has been told by christian ,that i personally believe, i know he is not the "i am always the best" type , so i believe him ,and the 430 spyder was driven by CR , also a moderator on this forum . i am surprised as much as you are of the outcome ,and i dont know how many hp the CT . thats the story ,you believe it or you dont..
Dimitri, we're having a Rennteam Party on Saturday, incl. a short shootout on Sunday if the weather permits. At least we'll know for sure which car(s) will be faster. One thing I already know, the Turbo with manual is slowlier than my car, we tested it last weekend (apparently some Users like to overlook some of my posts and just pick what is convenient to their beliefs ). There will be a 996 GT2 MkII too for comparison, the mentioned F430 Spider (CR), the Corvette Z06 and other nice cars. Since my car is still new, I will not put too much importance into the results. But if the Vette/F430 are several car lengths ahead during the "shootout", then I will pay respect to them and acknowledge that I was wrong. But I have a little feeling that this ain't going to happen.
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WOW! i am dying to be there with you guys! i will be on my pc sunday waiting for your posts! i like the fact that there is a z06 with you , a bigger challenge than the f430..
i wish you had a REAR view cam on your car , we would have seen some manual tt's
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My opinions are developing though experience and analysis of others' experience, but like most other forum participants my opinions have little consequence or impact on others.
Experience? You don't even have a 997 Turbo.
Do you think we're running Rennteam just to blow some hot air? We had this crap several years with other car forums, no need to repeat that again.
It seems some people are in complete denial and even if I have some understanding for this, I slowly get annoyed.
You don't like what I say, fine. But PROVE it and don't say you heard this and that, bla bla bla.
So whenever you get your car, we can meet on the track, on the street, whereever you want. And I can PROVE to you what I'm saying and not by showing off how good or bad I'm driving but showing you the capabilities of a Tip equipped car and how easy it is to control. Deal?
Jun 27, 2006 12:32:28 PM
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One thing I already know, the Turbo with manual is slowlier than my car, we tested it last weekend (apparently some Users like to overlook some of my posts and just pick what is convenient to their beliefs ).
Jun 27, 2006 10:22:01 PM
Jun 28, 2006 2:24:11 AM
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First time poster, joined today.
I, for one, read every bit of info on the Tip vs. manual controversy. The dispassionate opinions are most useful, but whatever. My 997tt is not even ordered yet - long line. I'd decided to wait for PDK, then bought an Audi A3 3.2 with DSG. The DSG is fun and interesting - very fast - but also disengaging and a bit wacky. So I jumped in line to order a manual 997tt.
I almost certainly won't track this car - I have a highly modified 993tt for that purpose. And, honestly, I'm not even that "spirited" a driver anymore - when I take my Porsches out, wiggling a gearshift and pushing a clutch are "fun" activities for me - 6/10ths on a public road is just fine by me, 90% of the time. Plus, the perfect heel&toe always feels good to me. Even if the Tip is great and the PDK greater, I'd miss this "anachronism". Trying to wrap my mind around this new technology and adopt it as "fun" is hard, after shifting for so many years.....
I want to say thanks for continuing the debate. It IS useful to some of us readers.
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It does not take a professional race driver to benefit from manual LSD on a track like the NBR. Average track enthusiasts will certainly post faster laps with manual LSD than with Tip.
I drive at the Ring every week (where nothing has overtaken my car for the last 30 laps) and it is traction and stability that are paramount, not gear changes.
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The 997 Turbo manual with LSD also has a unique PSM setup. One characteristic is a DECREASE in the use of ABD to brake the rear wheels which results in a more efficient use of power and a more enjoyable driving experience.
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No doubt that Walter or HsV will turn in superior times with the manual over the tip on the track...on a dry track.
But on a wet track, the network and the tips integration with the various sensors that allow it to redistrubute power in real time to optimize traction and eliminate wheel slip will prove to be superior.
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So try to keep in mind that the LSD on the manual car is only for the rear, while the Tip car goes one step beyond and automatically compensates for and instantly redistributes power wheel by wheel when sensing reduced traction at any of the four wheels. Simple, they cannot
integate the mechanical LSD with the network.