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The PCGT was another excellent example of Porsche's engineering capabilities and the future of its model development. Unfortunately, they priced it out of reach for most Porsche enthusiasts, it sold poorly and was just discontinued.
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VKSF said: ... cars like SL55/997TT tend to have a 3yr product-cycle window of robust, 5Kish/yr sales, before they are no longer as fashionable; all the regular custs already have their copy; and sales plummet....the mkt realities of selling $150Kish GT cars to real-world buyers vs impressing a bunch of N-ring/0-xxx/xxxhp-obsessed rennteamers, many of whom aren't serious prospective buyers anyway....
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VKSF said: ... cars like SL55/997TT tend to have a 3yr product-cycle window of robust, 5Kish/yr sales, before they are no longer as fashionable; all the regular custs already have their copy; and sales plummet....the mkt realities of selling $150Kish GT cars to real-world buyers vs impressing a bunch of N-ring/0-xxx/xxxhp-obsessed rennteamers, many of whom aren't serious prospective buyers anyway....
VKSF,
You've hit a home run with this bit of commentary.
The RennTeam crowd is tough to please on a number of fronts. The most vocal and critical posters do not represent a fair cross-section of actual prospective buyers for any of the cars mentioned. While they may reasonably represent the attitudes of their close circle of friends, that's a far cry from being "average" real customers for these cars. Real customers come from very diverse walks of life with much less "expert" information to work with, or even care about.
I recall being pretty skeptical of just how badly Aston Martin, Lamborghini, etc. could possibly hurt Porsche's sales with their newest cars. There was a lot of doom-and-gloom prognosticating in many of those threads gone by. But, where are we today? Is Porsche sliding down the tubes of failing sales? I hardly think so.
Why could this be? As VKSF ably observes, there's a whole bunch more to winning over a solid piece of market share than getting a few good reviews from RennTeam posters. Long-term brand reputation across the whole of the general public is very important. Psychographics are just as valuable as technology.
I think the "it's never enough" attitude I see in a number of threads on RennTeam is a sort of syndrome of insatiable expectations. Some call it hedonic adaptation.(Click me)
Maybe there is something more to the term "Car Junky" than is commonly realized. What will one do for their next fix? Will it drive anyone over the edge of reason? It seems to make some posters hyper-critical of things they haven't personally experienced and a few seem to turn nasty when they can't have what they imagined they deserve.
Maybe RennTeam serves as a kind of internet drug for some who can never get enough of anything.
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By the way, if you had done your homework you'd know that PCGT's have been selling below list price. Perhaps that explains Porsche's decision to discontinue the line?
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You obviously missed my point.
By the way, if you had done your homework you'd know that PCGT's have been selling below list price. Perhaps that explains Porsche's decision to discontinue the line?
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nberry said:
...Keep in mind that the 997TT will remain at its present level for several years while the competition 430, Gallardo, AM, MB, Corvette will have major improvements over the next few years...
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Maybe RennTeam serves as a kind of internet drug for some who can never get enough of anything.
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You obviously missed my point.
By the way, if you had done your homework you'd know that PCGT's have been selling below list price. Perhaps that explains Porsche's decision to discontinue the line?
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mp said:
You obviously missed my point.
By the way, if you had done your homework you'd know that PCGT's have been selling below list price. Perhaps that explains Porsche's decision to discontinue the line?
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I think the "it's never enough" attitude I see in a number of threads on RennTeam is a sort of syndrome of insatiable expectations. Some call it hedonic adaptation.(Click me)
Maybe there is something more to the term "Car Junky" than is commonly realized. What will one do for their next fix? Will it drive anyone over the edge of reason? It seems to make some posters hyper-critical of things they haven't personally experienced and a few seem to turn nasty when they can't have what they imagined they deserve.
Maybe RennTeam serves as a kind of internet drug for some who can never get enough of anything.
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Maybe you are right.
However, those "few critical" rennteamers might just be the first who observe what is going wrong at Porsche?
Maybe the "masses" will adopt their views and follow those crazy rennteamers just a little bit later.
Who knows. Time will tell.
Jun 21, 2006 2:07:48 AM
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Turbo Al said: ... Surely, Gula (over-indulgence) labels such behavior 1,500 years before the psychologists re-calibrated our vocabularies.
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I now get the impression that critique of Father Porsche is viewed by the senior rennteam membership as "adolescent," only the wild and unruly amongst us crave more power in our cars. And any suggestion that Porsche is acting, shall we say, with malice of Avaritia, ah yes, a sin, in the modern application to satisfy the corporate ledger and rank-and-file shareholders, is interpreted as also sinful- Gula -no, instead, "hedonic adaptation."
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How dare I desire to put 600 peak horsepower in my 911Turbo, and think it could be had without touching a piston? How dare you to want to "blow the doors off" a ZO6 in your CGT the next time you pull up to a light next to one? Eternal damnation for harboring such thoughts! And I'm not even Catholic.
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Is it nearing that time that we all go out and trade in our Porsche's for a new Oldsmobile?-oops, they don't make those anymore.
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But, to climb down Porsche's throat...is certainly eligible to be categorized as one of the aforementioned 7 deadly sins.
Which one do think it is?
Jun 21, 2006 4:11:11 AM
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As already echoed elsewhere - rennteam curries favour with a particularly erudite Porsche fan...many of whom indulge the passion with gusto. we speak from primary, visceral, first hand experience...it plays havoc with our objectivity, but is does afford nuance and depth to our opinions.
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Unfortunately, you just used up whatever credibility honeymoon is ordinarily extended to new posters.
The honeymoon is over in 3 posts? Blimey!
Actually, it was 1 when I last checked .
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I have to hand to you Mike......
..... when it comes to Porsche you as well as many others turn your cheek and say God Bliss Porsche.