Crown

Board: Porsche - 911 - 997 Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    7:48 min on the ring
    1:11,7 in Hockenheim

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    The first real test which classified the new 911 GT3 as the best tested sportscar in the history of the legendary supertest!

    More facts:

    Better wet handling than the 997 Carrera S and that with Cup-Tires!

    Slalom 36 meters: High-Speed 141 km/h (best ever tested)

    From 0-200 km/h in 13,9 sec!

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    I found this info on internet

    Nurburgring:

    With a lap time of 7:48 mins the new 997 GT3 is just one second off the time set with the 996 GT3 RS before. The best time eas achieved not with PASM "Sport" setting hut the basic setup as the damers were not that hard and the car better to control. The PASM "Sport" setting is only suitable for flat tracks like the Hockenheimring.

    Hockenheim:

    here the new 997 GT3 was 1.5 secs. faster than its 2 years old predeccessor 996 GT3 and even 0.1 secs. faster than the sportier 996 GT3 RS. Tthis due to the progress made in driving dnymamics. The change from light understeer to light oversteer is easy to control, the 996 GT3 offers best handling.

    0-200-0 kmh in 18.6 secs

    it is hard to find the right grip. it took a dozen of attemps to get used to it and to achive the best time as there is no launch control and the driver has to find the right balance between the clutch and the throttle. The clutch even stand all these attempts.
    The shifter of the 997 GT3 is not as easy to handle as of the Carrera S even though the gear shifts are exact and clear.
    The cewramic disk brakes allows better breaking and also lasts longer than the standard brakes.

    aerodynamic:

    the 997 GT is well ballanced with no up- and no downforce at 200 km/h, so the aerodymanic has no influence to the handling at any speed, it si neutral.
    Even though the aero package with the front apron and the rear wing, the drag coeffcient is pretty low: Cd = 0.29.


    max. lateral acceleration: 1.3g

    the new Michelin Cup Sport tyres, not the same as for the M3 CSL at that time, have a different geometry and offer a better wet handling. 1.3 g is not the max. for s supersports car but pretty much enough.
    The 997 GT3 is at the same level as the Ford GT, Gallardo and 996 GT3 RS

    specs:

    3.6-litres flat-6 eingine
    415 PS at 7600 rpm
    405 Nm at 5500 rpm
    115.3 PS/litre

    gear ratios, 6-speed manual, limited slip differential, ASR:
    1st 3.82
    2nd 2.26
    3rd 1.64
    4th 1.29
    5th 1.06
    6th 0.92
    axle 3.44

    tyres:

    Michelin Pilut Cup Sport
    235/35 ZR 19 in front
    305/30 ZR 19 in rear

    length/width/height: 4445/1808/1280 mms
    wheel base: 2355 mm
    track: 1491/1524 mm in front/rear
    weight: 1440 kg
    power-to-weight ratio: 288.19 PS/ton
    weight ditribution: 38.9/61.1% in front/rear

    acceleration:
    0-100 km/h in 4.3 secs.
    0-160 km/h in 9.2 secs.
    0-200 km/h in 13.9 secs.
    Vmax = 310 km/h

    slalom 18m: 71.8 km/h
    slalom 36m: 141 km/h, better than the Koenigsegg CCR (138 km/h) and the Zonda F (137 km/h)
    evasion test 110m: 158 km/h, same as the CCR, 1 km/h less than the Zonda F and 1 km/h quicker than the M3 CSL or CGT

    wet handling:

    best time for the 997 GT3, even 0.3 secs. quicker than the Audi RS4 at the wet hnadling track thaksn to the new Michelin Pilot Cup Sport tyres

    verdict:

    the 997 GT3 is true sports car and takes you into the spell pull. The 3.6-litres flat-6 engine shows its racing heritage. Even though the pursitc 997 GT3 is an every day racer for the experienced driver, not that challenging but less comfortable.

    the 997 GT3 is a perfect sports car, it scores 77 pts., more than the CRR (77) and the Zonda F (74), both are more extreme.

    the 996 GT3 has set two new records in the sport auto Supertest:
    36m slalom and wet handling!

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Did I understand correctly that this was the best car they had ever taken through the test? Ring time disappointing though...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    In summary of points, yes.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    wow

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    KF said:
    7:48 min on the ring
    1:11,7 in Hockenheim



    wow x 2

    The 500HP Gallardo and F430 have already been beaten by 415HP on a smooth-handling HH and the real-world Nring tracks...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Please clarify...
    you wrote

    "With a lap time of 7:48 mins the new 997 GT3 is just one second off the time set with the 996 GT3 RS before"
    So is the 997 slower or faster than the 996GT3RS?

    You wrote:

    "The change from light understeer to light oversteer is easy to control, the 996 GT3 offers best handling."

    Did you mean the 997GT3 offers the best handling?

    You wrote:
    "The 997 GT3 is at the same level as the Ford GT, Gallardo and 996 GT3 RS"

    Doesn't seem like the 997GT3 is really that much better than the 996GT3.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    The 997 GT3 is slower than the 996 GT3 RS, but the round was driven at the last SportAuto Ring-training. HvS drove only one fast lap! Why not more? I don't know.

    The 997 GT3 is better than the 996 GT3 RS. Look at the other facts. The problem is that the PASM is not as good as the RS setup. Otherwise the new GT3 weight is higher than the RS one. I think, if HvS will drive the GT3 one more he will reach a time 2 seconds faster than now.

    But one thing: the old GT3 looses 6 seconds in comparsion to the new GT3. In Hockenheim it is in relation much more (ca. 2 seconds).

    In an other thread i wrote that i will stay with the 996 GT3 RS because of the small difference.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    If you take into consideration the new tires, the 997GT3 should be much more than 1.5 seconds faster than the 996GT3 on street tires on the Hockenheimring...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    RR4 said:"With a lap time of 7:48 mins the new 997 GT3 is just one second off the time set with the 996 GT3 RS before"
    So is the 997 slower or faster than the 996GT3RS?


    997GT3 is slower than 996GT3RS (and 997GT3 tires should be at least as good if not better than the Pirelli Corsas). The new power does not offset the advantage of lower weight and non-PASM suspension of the RS...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Right Grant. So you are concluding that Porsche's own number are bogus on the 997 GT3?

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    JFT said:
    Right Grant. So you are concluding that Porsche's own number are bogus on the 997 GT3?


    I don't know. What were Porsche's number on those cars?

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    Grant said:
    If you take into consideration the new tires, the 997GT3 should be much more than 1.5 seconds faster than the 996GT3 on street tires on the Hockenheimring...



    The Michelin Cup tires aren't the dry specialist it were before.It's an excellent tire on the wet too(RS4 and GT3 with the new Cup tires hold the best lap times in the wet handling course).This was made possible by making comprimises,which result in a decreased performance on dry pavement.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    Walter said:The Michelin Cup tires aren't the dry specialist it were before.It's an excellent tire on the wet too(RS4 and GT3 with the new Cup tires hold the best lap times in the wet handling course).This was made possible by making comprimises,which result in a decreased performance on dry pavement.


    Even so, you would expect the new Cups (modified for better wet performance) to be faster than PS2 tires (came on GT3 MkII) in the dry, wouldn't you?

    And if so, wouldn't you expect more than 1.5s difference in lap times at HH if the 997 GT3 is also the faster car, tires notwithstanding?

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    JFT said:
    Right Grant. So you are concluding that Porsche's own number are bogus on the 997 GT3?


    I don't know. What were Porsche's number on those cars?



    7.45 around the Ring is the official time although W. Röhrl says his best time was 7.42.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    JFT said:
    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    JFT said:
    Right Grant. So you are concluding that Porsche's own number are bogus on the 997 GT3?


    I don't know. What were Porsche's number on those cars?



    7.45 around the Ring is the official time although W. Röhrl says his best time was 7.42.


    Well, that could be true. Horst Van Saurma is not as quick as Walther...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    JFT said:
    Quote:
    Grant said:
    Quote:
    JFT said:
    Right Grant. So you are concluding that Porsche's own number are bogus on the 997 GT3?


    I don't know. What were Porsche's number on those cars?



    7.45 around the Ring is the official time although W. Röhrl says his best time was 7.42.


    Well, that could be true. Horst Van Saurma is not as quick as Walther...



    True. Except my point is that it's then siginificantly faster that 996 GTR and 996 GT3 RS with the same driver...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Audi RS4 at Sport Auto Supertest was with optional Pirelli Corsa tires, not Michelin Cup's. Pirelli will soon introduce N-rated Corsa's for GT3/GT3RS and Turbo...
    Then we will see the results. But, Sport Auto accleration times for 997 GT3 are slower then official Porsche numbers...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    BMW M3 CSL 7.50 with the same tires and normal brakes......

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    A few of the mags are saying they aren't getting close to Porsche's numbers either.

    The more I find out about the 997GT3 the more I see it as a car and a car marketed more for NON 996GT3 owners. Can't understand why they would waste any of this energy into "redeveloping" the motor if it is not marketed for current GT3 owners. The 997S should be good enough for most people and if it isnt they have the Turbo.

    Seems like a waste.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Grant...do you know what 1.5 sec mean in Hockenheim? Worlds.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    RC said:
    Grant...do you know what 1.5 sec mean in Hockenheim? Worlds.


    Yes, but how much comes from the tires? On the short road course here, it's about 3 secs...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    "it is hard to find the right grip. it took a dozen of attemps to get used to it and to achieve the best time as there is no launch control and the driver has to find the right balance between the clutch and the throttle. The clutch even stand all these attempts.
    The shifter of the 997 GT3 is not as easy to handle as of the Carrera S even though the gear shifts are exact and clear"

    That's interesting. The 0-200kph is diappointing at 13.9. Porsche's claim is 13.5 sec.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Don't forget that the car is full equiped. The Porsche times were made with lighter cars (no PCM, Soundpackage etc.).

    The Porsche tires are not the same as the BMW M3 CSL tires!
    The new Michelin offers a better wet handling and is not so extreme like the old generation!

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    svtrader1 said:


    That's interesting. The 0-200kph is diappointing at 13.9. Porsche's claim is 13.5 sec.



    Maybe it depends on the temperature and driver.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Its fast but anyone agree with me that I kinda feel dissapointed that I was expecting a bit more...

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    I agree. No doubt the 997 GT3 is one hell of a great car - after all it did better than any other car in the Supertest. But like you I was expecting a faster Ring time.

    I changed my GT3 order to a GT3 RS earlier today. Not because of this test mind you. It's just that after 3 months of putting more and more options on the GT3 it was creeping so close to the RS price that it no longer made sense to not go for the RS!! And it's a relief. No options to choose from yet - I can finally sleep again.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3

    Quote:
    KF said:
    Quote:
    svtrader1 said:


    That's interesting. The 0-200kph is diappointing at 13.9. Porsche's claim is 13.5 sec.



    Maybe it depends on the temperature and driver.



    It's has to do with "The shifter of the 997 GT3 is not as easy to handle as of the Carrera S."

    The extra weight and tires are not the culprit here. If they were it would affect the 0-100kph time first. Porsche's claim is 4.3 sec. and this test had the same result.

    Again, it must be the lousy shifter.

    Re: Sport Auto-Facts : NEW GT3


     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 3/28/24 3:21 AM
    watt
    688180 1780
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 2/19/24 11:51 PM
    Wonderbar
    408550 564
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 5/12/23 12:11 PM
    W8MM
    255478 288
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48
    234694 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA
    65331 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut
    4632 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    857448 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant
    773135 3868
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020) 4/6/23 7:43 AM
    crayphile
    447525 1276
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry
    378522 1526
    Porsche GT4RS 2/22/24 5:16 AM
    tso
    365258 1424
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker
    360491 797
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut
    354373 2401
    Lambo Aventador and SV 3/30/23 1:59 PM
    CGX car nut
    278768 724
    Ferrari Ferrari 812 Superfast 4/21/23 8:09 AM
    the-missile
    275147 550
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 3/14/24 8:55 PM
    blueflame
    272255 658
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    248096 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug
    224855 346
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel
    217783 488
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel
    196373 101
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug
    155152 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut
    126734 144
    Ferrari [2022] Ferrari Purosangue (SUV) 4/15/23 5:20 AM
    watt
    120329 141
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA
    105832 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM
    102450 685
    Others Valkyrie final design? 4/28/23 2:45 AM
    Rossi
    97622 219
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    81006 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame
    74328 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM
    52086 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 3/16/24 9:27 PM
    WhoopsyM
    23078 237
    133 items found, displaying 1 to 30.