Crown

Quote:
OCEAN said:
I am not out to start bashing the car that my dealer refers to as the F word .. but he was telling me that the new 997TT is a car that will out preform the 430 in every way .. I still like the looks of the Spider more but when the 997TT is out the cab version lowered with the right wheels if may be very close in the looks department and I guess will out preform the 430 . Considering the Spider is still about 90K over sticker the 997TT will be quite the deal .

Quote:
MKSGR said:

Quote:
OCEAN said:
I am not out to start bashing the car that my dealer refers to as the F word .. but he was telling me that the new 997TT is a car that will out preform the 430 in every way .. I still like the looks of the Spider more but when the 997TT is out the cab version lowered with the right wheels if may be very close in the looks department and I guess will out preform the 430 . Considering the Spider is still about 90K over sticker the 997TT will be quite the deal .

Given the most recent test results I think your dealer is not well informed. Unfortunately, the 997TT is not at all superior to the F430. It is just different, not faster.

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
Crash and Trip,

You two Porschefanboys crack me up! I thought Nick was the only one with conspiracy theories.

Autozeitung tested the the F430 over a year ago. The 0-200kph time is the same as it was then.

How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?

Also, Autozeiting has a favorable bias for Porsche (ask RC). So, if the F430 is a ringer, they would've known.

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
...How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?...

Quote:
OCEAN said:
I am not out to start bashing the car that my dealer refers to as the F word .. but he was telling me that the new 997TT is a car that will out preform the 430 in every way .. I still like the looks of the Spider more but when the 997TT is out the cab version lowered with the right wheels if may be very close in the looks department and I guess will out preform the 430 . Considering the Spider is still about 90K over sticker the 997TT will be quite the deal .

Quote:
mkultra said:
well from the looks of things, the 997 tt is an amazing car. hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but it isn't that good looking (looks like any 911), it may or may not be faster than a F430, which is disappointing considering that the F430 is over a year old! and one year is huge in the sports car market. yes, the 997 tt is a year round sports car but i'm not buying a F430 to go through the snow banks. and i'm sorry but i would take a 430 anyday over a Porsche....better resale value, wow factor, performance and i have had more problems with my P cars than my F cars!

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
mkultra said:
well from the looks of things, the 997 tt is an amazing car. hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but it isn't that good looking (looks like any 911), it may or may not be faster than a F430, which is disappointing considering that the F430 is over a year old! and one year is huge in the sports car market. yes, the 997 tt is a year round sports car but i'm not buying a F430 to go through the snow banks. and i'm sorry but i would take a 430 anyday over a Porsche....better resale value, wow factor, performance and i have had more problems with my P cars than my F cars!

When will you Americans stop applying blanket statements to the entire world? The F430 can be had for almost the same price as the 997TT here in Europe and it also has similar resale value.
Doesn't look that good and looks just like another 911? The 911 is a sports car icon, it has a special place in every enthusiast's heart. Saying a car looks bad because of it shows ignorance.
The F430 has wow factor? It doesn't impress me any more than a 911 Turbo, seeing one on the street, but some of us are actually enthusiasts and don't care about the "wow" factor for impressing people we don't give a damn about or for picking up white trash girls.
If you want to take an F430 over a Porsche, go ahead, it's a great sports car. However, for the reasons you've just listed, you might be better off with an S-class on 22" spinners.

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
Crash and Trip,

You two Porschefanboys crack me up! I thought Nick was the only one with conspiracy theories.

Autozeitung tested the the F430 over a year ago. The 0-200kph time is the same as it was then.

How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?

Also, Autozeiting has a favorable bias for Porsche (ask RC). So, if the F430 is a ringer, they would've known.

Your Ferrrari-fanboy bravado is unfounded. It has been repeatedly stated on these boards, that the time, printed in Auto Zeitung, was an error.The time was 13.2, not 12.2.
At least that's what people who can actually read already knew months ago.
I say, let's wait for the other tests.

Quote:
STRADALE said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
mkultra said:
well from the looks of things, the 997 tt is an amazing car. hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but it isn't that good looking (looks like any 911), it may or may not be faster than a F430, which is disappointing considering that the F430 is over a year old! and one year is huge in the sports car market. yes, the 997 tt is a year round sports car but i'm not buying a F430 to go through the snow banks. and i'm sorry but i would take a 430 anyday over a Porsche....better resale value, wow factor, performance and i have had more problems with my P cars than my F cars!

When will you Americans stop applying blanket statements to the entire world? The F430 can be had for almost the same price as the 997TT here in Europe and it also has similar resale value.
Doesn't look that good and looks just like another 911? The 911 is a sports car icon, it has a special place in every enthusiast's heart. Saying a car looks bad because of it shows ignorance.
The F430 has wow factor? It doesn't impress me any more than a 911 Turbo, seeing one on the street, but some of us are actually enthusiasts and don't care about the "wow" factor for impressing people we don't give a damn about or for picking up white trash girls.
If you want to take an F430 over a Porsche, go ahead, it's a great sports car. However, for the reasons you've just listed, you might be better off with an S-class on 22" spinners.

The US is by far the largest markets for BOTH manufacturer's so it's more accurate than using say,,,,,,,, Timbuktu.

I'd have to agree w/ the other poster regarding looks too. I'll stick up for the Porsche most of the time like I was yesterday but there's no comparison in the looks department.

btw: It doesn't have anything to do w/ "picking up white trash girls.". LOL!! Where'd that come from? lol!

Quote:
STRADALE said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
mkultra said:
well from the looks of things, the 997 tt is an amazing car. hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but it isn't that good looking (looks like any 911), it may or may not be faster than a F430, which is disappointing considering that the F430 is over a year old! and one year is huge in the sports car market. yes, the 997 tt is a year round sports car but i'm not buying a F430 to go through the snow banks. and i'm sorry but i would take a 430 anyday over a Porsche....better resale value, wow factor, performance and i have had more problems with my P cars than my F cars!

When will you Americans stop applying blanket statements to the entire world? The F430 can be had for almost the same price as the 997TT here in Europe and it also has similar resale value.
Doesn't look that good and looks just like another 911? The 911 is a sports car icon, it has a special place in every enthusiast's heart. Saying a car looks bad because of it shows ignorance.
The F430 has wow factor? It doesn't impress me any more than a 911 Turbo, seeing one on the street, but some of us are actually enthusiasts and don't care about the "wow" factor for impressing people we don't give a damn about or for picking up white trash girls.
If you want to take an F430 over a Porsche, go ahead, it's a great sports car. However, for the reasons you've just listed, you might be better off with an S-class on 22" spinners.

The US is by far the largest markets for BOTH manufacturer's so it's more accurate than using say,,,,,,,, Timbuktu.

I'd have to agree w/ the other poster regarding looks too. I'll stick up for the Porsche most of the time like I was yesterday but there's no comparison in the looks department.

btw: It doesn't have anything to do w/ "picking up white trash girls.". LOL!! Where'd that come from? lol!

Quote:
svtrader1 said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
Crash and Trip,

You two Porschefanboys crack me up! I thought Nick was the only one with conspiracy theories.

Autozeitung tested the the F430 over a year ago. The 0-200kph time is the same as it was then.

How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?

Also, Autozeiting has a favorable bias for Porsche (ask RC). So, if the F430 is a ringer, they would've known.

Your Ferrrari-fanboy bravado is unfounded. It has been repeatedly stated on these boards, that the time, printed in Auto Zeitung, was an error.The time was 13.2, not 12.2.
At least that's what people who can actually read already knew months ago.
I say, let's wait for the other tests.

Yeah, sure they "corrected" 0-200 time. Maybe as favor to Porsche. But, did they forget to correct the lap time? A year ago the F430 did their track handling test in 1.36.9 min. and now their latest issue says 138.1 min. Exactly the same as the Turbo. Interesting?

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=90540&page=&fpart=1&vc=1

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat...e=0&fpart=1

Quote:
svtrader1 said:

Quote:
STRADALE said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
mkultra said:
well from the looks of things, the 997 tt is an amazing car. hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but it isn't that good looking (looks like any 911), it may or may not be faster than a F430, which is disappointing considering that the F430 is over a year old! and one year is huge in the sports car market. yes, the 997 tt is a year round sports car but i'm not buying a F430 to go through the snow banks. and i'm sorry but i would take a 430 anyday over a Porsche....better resale value, wow factor, performance and i have had more problems with my P cars than my F cars!

When will you Americans stop applying blanket statements to the entire world? The F430 can be had for almost the same price as the 997TT here in Europe and it also has similar resale value.
Doesn't look that good and looks just like another 911? The 911 is a sports car icon, it has a special place in every enthusiast's heart. Saying a car looks bad because of it shows ignorance.
The F430 has wow factor? It doesn't impress me any more than a 911 Turbo, seeing one on the street, but some of us are actually enthusiasts and don't care about the "wow" factor for impressing people we don't give a damn about or for picking up white trash girls.
If you want to take an F430 over a Porsche, go ahead, it's a great sports car. However, for the reasons you've just listed, you might be better off with an S-class on 22" spinners.

The US is by far the largest markets for BOTH manufacturer's so it's more accurate than using say,,,,,,,, Timbuktu.

I'd have to agree w/ the other poster regarding looks too. I'll stick up for the Porsche most of the time like I was yesterday but there's no comparison in the looks department.

btw: It doesn't have anything to do w/ "picking up white trash girls.". LOL!! Where'd that come from? lol!

Young Crash is Porsche's biggest Koolaid drinker. Porsche is king and can NEVER do anything wrong in his opinion. So, you'll never read anything negative about Porsche from this kid. But, he always the first to defend them.

Quote:
Crash said:

When will you Americans stop applying blanket statements to the entire world? The F430 can be had for almost the same price as the 997TT here in Europe and it also has similar resale value.

Quote:
svtrader1 said:

Quote:
Crash said:

When will you Americans stop applying blanket statements to the entire world? The F430 can be had for almost the same price as the 997TT here in Europe and it also has similar resale value.

You said this same BS before. When ask specifically where in Europe, you never answered.

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
svtrader1 said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
Crash and Trip,

You two Porschefanboys crack me up! I thought Nick was the only one with conspiracy theories.

Autozeitung tested the the F430 over a year ago. The 0-200kph time is the same as it was then.

How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?

Also, Autozeiting has a favorable bias for Porsche (ask RC). So, if the F430 is a ringer, they would've known.

Your Ferrrari-fanboy bravado is unfounded. It has been repeatedly stated on these boards, that the time, printed in Auto Zeitung, was an error.The time was 13.2, not 12.2.
At least that's what people who can actually read already knew months ago.
I say, let's wait for the other tests.

Yeah, sure they "corrected" 0-200 time. Maybe as favor to Porsche. But, did they forget to correct the lap time? A year ago the F430 did their track handling test in 1.36.9 min. and now their latest issue says 138.1 min. Exactly the same as the Turbo. Interesting?

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=90540&page=&fpart=1&vc=1

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat...e=0&fpart=1

You were talking about conspiracy theories in your previous post and now you have thrown out the silliest one possible. A magazine changing numbers as a favor to one manufacturer, while damaging another? And you had the nuts to say that the "ringer" theory was silly .
The time WAS mistyped for the acceleration, as for the track times, I have no idea. Remember though, that the 430 was using Pirelli Corsas, while the Turbo was only using the humble Pilot Sports.

Quote:
svtrader1 said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
svtrader1 said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
Crash and Trip,

You two Porschefanboys crack me up! I thought Nick was the only one with conspiracy theories.

Autozeitung tested the the F430 over a year ago. The 0-200kph time is the same as it was then.

How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?

Also, Autozeiting has a favorable bias for Porsche (ask RC). So, if the F430 is a ringer, they would've known.

Your Ferrrari-fanboy bravado is unfounded. It has been repeatedly stated on these boards, that the time, printed in Auto Zeitung, was an error.The time was 13.2, not 12.2.
At least that's what people who can actually read already knew months ago.
I say, let's wait for the other tests.

Yeah, sure they "corrected" 0-200 time. Maybe as favor to Porsche. But, did they forget to correct the lap time? A year ago the F430 did their track handling test in 1.36.9 min. and now their latest issue says 138.1 min. Exactly the same as the Turbo. Interesting?

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=90540&page=&fpart=1&vc=1

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php?Cat...e=0&fpart=1

You were talking about conspiracy theories in your previous post and now you have thrown out the silliest one possible. A magazine changing numbers as a favor to one manufacturer, while damaging another? And you had the nuts to say that the "ringer" theory was silly .
The time WAS mistyped for the acceleration, as for the track times, I have no idea. Remember though, that the 430 was using Pirelli Corsas, while the Turbo was only using the humble Pilot Sports.

Maybe, you ought to take some reading lessons yourself. The lap time for the F430 was faster a year ago. The new test yields a slower time even though its equipped with Corsas. WHy?

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
STRADALE said:

Quote:
Crash said:

Quote:
mkultra said:
well from the looks of things, the 997 tt is an amazing car. hate to burst everyone's bubble here, but it isn't that good looking (looks like any 911), it may or may not be faster than a F430, which is disappointing considering that the F430 is over a year old! and one year is huge in the sports car market. yes, the 997 tt is a year round sports car but i'm not buying a F430 to go through the snow banks. and i'm sorry but i would take a 430 anyday over a Porsche....better resale value, wow factor, performance and i have had more problems with my P cars than my F cars!

When will you Americans stop applying blanket statements to the entire world? The F430 can be had for almost the same price as the 997TT here in Europe and it also has similar resale value.
Doesn't look that good and looks just like another 911? The 911 is a sports car icon, it has a special place in every enthusiast's heart. Saying a car looks bad because of it shows ignorance.
The F430 has wow factor? It doesn't impress me any more than a 911 Turbo, seeing one on the street, but some of us are actually enthusiasts and don't care about the "wow" factor for impressing people we don't give a damn about or for picking up white trash girls.
If you want to take an F430 over a Porsche, go ahead, it's a great sports car. However, for the reasons you've just listed, you might be better off with an S-class on 22" spinners.

The US is by far the largest markets for BOTH manufacturer's so it's more accurate than using say,,,,,,,, Timbuktu.

I'd have to agree w/ the other poster regarding looks too. I'll stick up for the Porsche most of the time like I was yesterday but there's no comparison in the looks department.

btw: It doesn't have anything to do w/ "picking up white trash girls.". LOL!! Where'd that come from? lol!

The white trash usage was just a hyperbole, to illustrate a larger point. I don't care how big the US market is, the US are not the world. I can get a 430 here in 6 months or less, for roughly the same price as the 997TT. It won't sell much better either. Looks are subjective, but believe it or not, I prefer the 911 to the F430, looks wise. Nobody can argue against the 430's sound, performance and looks, but to some of us the 911 simply looks better. Couple that with better versatility, much better safety, better performance and heritage and you get a very recommendable car. Of course one can argue about Porsches being commonplace, but the world isn't Grenwich or Beverly hills, where you would see a Porsche every minute.

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
Crash and Trip,

You two Porschefanboys crack me up! I thought Nick was the only one with conspiracy theories.

Autozeitung tested the the F430 over a year ago. The 0-200kph time is the same as it was then.

How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?

Also, Autozeiting has a favorable bias for Porsche (ask RC). So, if the F430 is a ringer, they would've known.

Quote:
trip said:

Quote:
svtrader1 said:
Crash and Trip,

You two Porschefanboys crack me up! I thought Nick was the only one with conspiracy theories.

Autozeitung tested the the F430 over a year ago. The 0-200kph time is the same as it was then.

How do you really expect the much heavier turbo to be faster with about the same hp without defying physics?

Also, Autozeiting has a favorable bias for Porsche (ask RC). So, if the F430 is a ringer, they would've known.

Lets wait for RC and his freinds super test. I think you might be dissapointed.