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Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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KresoF1 said:
In new issue of German Auto Zeitung is big test including: 997 Turbo(manual), Vette Z06, F430 and Gallardo. 997 Turbo is better then the rest according to the article but, it is very interesting review...
I'll make sure to buy it on Friday when I'm off to Bavaria again. Were any performance measurements made, Kreso?
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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KresoF1 said:
In new issue of German Auto Zeitung is big test including: 997 Turbo(manual), Vette Z06, F430 and Gallardo. 997 Turbo is better then the rest according to the article but, it is very interesting review...
Summary of key statistics (order: Z06 / F430 / Gallardo / 997TT Manual with SC):
0-100 kph: 4.4s / 3.8s / 4.2s / 3.9s
0-200 kph: 13.0s / 12.2s / 13.4s / 12.5s
Top Speed: 320kph / 316 / 315 / 310
Handling: 1:39.4 / 1:38.1 / 1:38.2 / 1:38.1
Handlung: 63.5kph / 69.2 / 69.1 / 67.2
Stopping Distance: 35.1 / 33.4 / 33.4 / 33.2
F430 and Gallardo were equipped with Corsa tires.
In summary the 997TT seems to be nothing special compared to competing offers: Just on par with competitors that are in the market for 2-3 years now. The days when a new Porsche TT offered superior performance seem to be over
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
In new issue of German Auto Zeitung is big test including: 997 Turbo(manual), Vette Z06, F430 and Gallardo. 997 Turbo is better then the rest according to the article but, it is very interesting review...
Summary of key statistics (order: Z06 / F430 / Gallardo / 997TT Manual with SC):
0-100 kph: 4.4s / 3.8s / 4.2s / 3.9s
0-200 kph: 13.0s / 12.2s / 13.4s / 12.5s
Top Speed: 320kph / 316 / 315 / 310
Handling: 1:39.4 / 1:38.1 / 1:38.2 / 1:38.1
Handlung: 63.5kph / 69.2 / 69.1 / 67.2
Stopping Distance: 35.1 / 33.4 / 33.4 / 33.2
F430 and Gallardo were equipped with Corsa tires.
In summary the 997TT seems to be nothing special compared to competing offers: Just on par with competitors that are in the market for 2-3 years now. The days when a new Porsche TT offered superior performance seem to be over
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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MKSGR said:Quote:
KresoF1 said:
In new issue of German Auto Zeitung is big test including: 997 Turbo(manual), Vette Z06, F430 and Gallardo. 997 Turbo is better then the rest according to the article but, it is very interesting review...
Summary of key statistics (order: Z06 / F430 / Gallardo / 997TT Manual with SC):
0-100 kph: 4.4s / 3.8s / 4.2s / 3.9s
0-200 kph: 13.0s / 12.2s / 13.4s / 12.5s
Top Speed: 320kph / 316 / 315 / 310
Handling: 1:39.4 / 1:38.1 / 1:38.2 / 1:38.1
Handlung: 63.5kph / 69.2 / 69.1 / 67.2
Stopping Distance: 35.1 / 33.4 / 33.4 / 33.2
F430 and Gallardo were equipped with Corsa tires.
In summary the 997TT seems to be nothing special compared to competing offers: Just on par with competitors that are in the market for 2-3 years now. The days when a new Porsche TT offered superior performance seem to be over
I suspect Ferrari sent a "ringer" car. It's faster than in all other tests, by 0,4 seconds, even faster than the 997TT. The 997TT And the Z06 seem to be on par, performance-wise.
However, yes, its performance is nothing special.
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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MKSGR said:
In summary the 997TT seems to be nothing special compared to competing offers: Just on par with competitors that are in the market for 2-3 years now. The days when a new Porsche TT offered superior performance seem to be over
And this exactly is the biggest compliment for the Italian (and American BTW) competitors!
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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Rossi said:Quote:
MKSGR said:
In summary the 997TT seems to be nothing special compared to competing offers: Just on par with competitors that are in the market for 2-3 years now. The days when a new Porsche TT offered superior performance seem to be over
And this exactly is the biggest compliment for the Italian (and American BTW) competitors!
Fully agreed! And a big reproach for Zuffenhausen: The next generation of competing cars from Italy will most likely be ahead of Porsche. Then Porsche can close their plants. At least as far as I am concerned,
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
After reading the article my father(64years old Porsche fan and Cayenne S driver) said to me in my office few minutes ago: " You were right, new 997 Turbo although awsome machine is in fun and enjoyment factor behind Italian cars... Where are your F430 keys? I need to feel young again!" 
IMO 997 Turbo is the best all-weather sportscar but, this test proves that it is not sole leader of the class any more...
As recent video here with Gallardo chasing 997 Turbo clearly shows-difference in speed between F430, Gallardo and 997 Turbo(real world-on the autobahn) is small...
IMO 997 Turbo is the best all-weather sportscar but, this test proves that it is not sole leader of the class any more...
As recent video here with Gallardo chasing 997 Turbo clearly shows-difference in speed between F430, Gallardo and 997 Turbo(real world-on the autobahn) is small...
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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KresoF1 said:
After reading the article my father(64years old Porsche fan and Cayenne S driver) said to me in my office few minutes ago: " You were right, new 997 Turbo although awsome machine is in fun and enjoyment factor behind Italian cars... Where are your F430 keys? I need to feel young again!"
IMO 997 Turbo is the best all-weather sportscar but, this test proves that it is not sole leader of the class any more...
As recent video here with Gallardo chasing 997 Turbo clearly shows-difference in speed between F430, Gallardo and 997 Turbo(real world-on the autobahn) is small...
I am still very annoyed by the test result: How could Porsche dare to introduce a car like the 997TT???
It is an underperformer. Crap. Sorry for the harsh words.
I am glad that I never considered buying it.
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Well... IMO, you are little bit too hard in judging new 997 Turbo. It was clear from the moment when Porsche announced that TIP is faster in acceleration that things will not be the same-EVER AGAIN! They were(and are!) targeting AMG(SL55!) audience, NOT F430 or Gallardo buyers I guess. Porsche marketing at work... If you do not want to buy 997 Turbo you can choose some AMG model or F430/Gallardo.
Imagine what will happened when Audi introduces R8... And if that car will be(specially more powerfull V10 version) at the same level as cars in AZ test?
Imagine what will happened when Audi introduces R8... And if that car will be(specially more powerfull V10 version) at the same level as cars in AZ test?
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
Judging by 911TT drivers here, I'd say it will still be a bestseller. People use as daily driver and put big mileage on these cars. Not something you can do with a F430.
Most of them are arctic silver, so their drivers really do not have any intention for 'I own a supercar' statement. Maybe it is sad for Porsche...but it's also a reason for the success of these cars: relatively anonymous everyday supercar... :-)
As long as you can buy a yellow GT3...we are all fine no?
Most of them are arctic silver, so their drivers really do not have any intention for 'I own a supercar' statement. Maybe it is sad for Porsche...but it's also a reason for the success of these cars: relatively anonymous everyday supercar... :-)
As long as you can buy a yellow GT3...we are all fine no?
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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STRADALE said:
The clear winners here are the F430 & the 997 turbo.
It would be nice to have one of each
To me, the winner of the test is the F430:
- Better acceleration
- Higher top speed
- Same track time (although on Corsa tires)
- More emotions
- Better design
The 997TT has only one advantage: it is not that flashy as the Ferrari.
The test also mentions that the suspension setup of the 997TT is not as balanced as in case of the old 996TT... That piece of information complements the other negative news about the 997 stated ín the test
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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KresoF1 said:
After reading the article my father(64years old Porsche fan and Cayenne S driver) said to me in my office few minutes ago: " You were right, new 997 Turbo although awsome machine is in fun and enjoyment factor behind Italian cars... Where are your F430 keys? I need to feel young again!"
And? Did you give him the keys?
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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KresoF1 said:
Well... IMO, you are little bit too hard in judging new 997 Turbo. It was clear from the moment when Porsche announced that TIP is faster in acceleration that things will not be the same-EVER AGAIN! They were(and are!) targeting AMG(SL55!) audience, NOT F430 or Gallardo buyers I guess. Porsche marketing at work... If you do not want to buy 997 Turbo you can choose some AMG model or F430/Gallardo.
Imagine what will happened when Audi introduces R8... And if that car will be(specially more powerfull V10 version) at the same level as cars in AZ test?
You are absoultely right: Porsche will get grilled not only by Audi, AMG and BMW but also by Ferrari and Lamborghini...
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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nberry said:
No Crash, Ferrari did not send them a car. The difference is Von Saurma was not driving the Ferrari.
Oh, he did. AZ mentioned that HvS was invited to perform the test for them
BTW: Just kidding
You are a real slob...
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
I don't get it. Is there something in the article that puts down the turbo? Because according to the numbers the manual turbo out performed the Vette which already has the reputation of being a MONSTER. And that's not even the reason for buying a car like the turbo over the Vette but it beats the car anyway. And the turbo is neck n neck w/ the Ferrari, a car costing 40% more. And all of this doesn't even consider all the other advantages of the turbo like all weather performance potential and THE only car in the test with rear seats. Plus the fact that the turbo is without a doubt the most comfortable car for everyday use. A car that you could just as easily sit in for hours of bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the track. The turbo's performance & versatility is pretty amazing when you compare the car vs. the others in the test w/ an open mind.
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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Jeannot said:
Judging by 911TT drivers here, I'd say it will still be a bestseller. People use as daily driver and put big mileage on these cars. Not something you can do with a F430.
Why not? Today, you can also sell a Ferrari with 80,000kms after 3 years or so. And the extended Ferrari warranty will protect you in the third year of ownership...
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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STRADALE said:
I don't get it. Is there something in the article that puts down the turbo? Because according to the numbers the manual turbo out performed the Vette which already has the reputation of being a MONSTER. And that's not even the reason for buying a car like the turbo over the Vette but it beats the car anyway. And the turbo is neck n neck w/ the Ferrari a car costin tens of thousand more. And all of this doesn't even consider all the other advantages of the turbo like all weather performance potential and THE only car in the test with rear seats. Plus the fact that the turbo is without a doubt the most comfortable car for everyday use. A car that you could just as easily sit in for hours of bumper to bumper traffic on the way to the track. It's all pretty amazing is you look at the car vs. the others w/ an open mind.
If you read the test it becomes clear that the F430 is the better car. The F430 is even more comfortable than the 997TT according to AZ...
Re: 997 Turbo comparison test in new Auto Zeitung
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MKSGR said:Quote:
MKSGR said:Quote:
nberry said:
No Crash, Ferrari did not send them a car. The difference is Von Saurma was not driving the Ferrari.
Oh, he did. AZ mentioned that HvS was invited to perform the test for them
BTW: Just kidding
You are a real slob...
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