Jun 5, 2006 7:07:24 PM
- Super Darius
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- Reply to: Turbo Al
Jun 5, 2006 7:07:24 PM
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KresoF1 said:
RC, you are defending TIP because:
1. You are DIE HARD Porsche Marketing beliver! All claimes that Porsche Marketing makes are true... Specially those about TIP in 997 Turbo
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2. You like to drive TIP versions more then manual. You already have TWO TIP Porsche's so this may be the case...
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3. You ordered your 997 Turbo with TIP because some "little bird" or "deep throat" told you it is awsome and faster then manual. Now, all people that do not agree with you are stupid, ingorant or whatever...
So, why in the hell we do not see any positive report about TIP version? So, in your opinion RC all members of car press are morons(excluded only those of them who actually likes TIP)? Why is manual version(specially with optional LSD) faster at least 3s on Nordschleife then TIP version? What kind of person would challenge every other 997 Turbo driver on traffic lights just because she/he drives TIP version?
I love this web site really a lot but, if you do not like this post just delete it... Little bit of freedom of opinion is nice I guess... You have yours and I have mine! Let's live in harmony until first TIP test in AMS or Sport Auto. But, even if they will not be positive you have to live with your car(and the same goes for me and my manual with LSD!)...
You don't really want me to say everything I know, do you? Or do you?
The reason why I defend Tiptronic that much is simple: I know something other people don't know. But since this sounds pretty arrogant, I never said it. Now you forced me too.
Our site became successful because people trust us and because we unveilled a few things in the past which were pretty surprising, not to say sensational. I do not believe Porsche Marketing and I also criticize them a lot because I'm not sure they're doing a great job, even if they seem to convince a lot of people with their claims but thats not my point.
Deleting posts? Why should I? Because somebody has a different opinion? Or because I know slightly more than other people? But don't expect me to shut up because this is why a discussion forum is here for.
The only reason why I sometimes react a little bit touchy is simple to explain: people don't pay attention.
I would NEVER tell somebody who claims that he drove manual and he thinks it is "better" (whatever this means to him) than Tip that he is dumb or that this is crap. This would be not only arrogant but also very insulting. But if somebody compares a GT3 to the Turbo or if somebody trusts the claims of car journalists who have nothing better to do than do donuts in a 140000 Euro car...I don't know, I just get mad. This romanian car journalist was driving a Dacia/Oltcit a couple of years go and you really honestly want me to trust his opinion? Oh boy.
Sorry if my direct approach of telling my opinion is a little bit too offensive but this is actually the good thing about Rennteam: we don't give a crap. Since we don't make money with it, since we don't have sponsors, etc., we're free to express our opinions. And trust me if I say that these opinions are usually backed up by facts but you don't really want to tell you something about our sources, our possibilities or similar stuff?!
So maybe we already drove the 997 Turbo Tip. Maybe not under "controlled" conditions like car journalists. Maybe we talked to a lot of people involved in development and maybe I'm just lying to you and telling you crap.
Bottom line is: people have a choice. If they don't like my posts, they can ignore them. And there are other car forums too.
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SciFrog said:
Current tip is not substandard, it is a great improvement over the old one. What AUM says is that the current tip is just a precursor for the upcoming PDK, once it is here, no more reason for the tip to exist (PDK will have an auto mode and incorporate all the new technology/gizmos RC has been hinting about).
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AUM said:
Imagination is a powerful force.
I started the book in 1997 and have published three previous editions, the last in 2002. I have been working on the 2006 edition for more than a year. The rewrite is now complete and awaits final input from the editors before internet publication in mid June.
Further revision and refinement will precede the print version later this year. The project has consumed much of my time and energy for many years; it is a labour of love.
Speaking of imagination...that book you bid everyone "Au revoir" over,must have been a quality product ..as you finished it in ..WHAT?? 6 DAYS And you thought I had the imagination
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LoranTw said:Quote:
AUM said:
Imagination is a powerful force.
I started the book in 1997 and have published three previous editions, the last in 2002. I have been working on the 2006 edition for more than a year. The rewrite is now complete and awaits final input from the editors before internet publication in mid June.
Further revision and refinement will precede the print version later this year. The project has consumed much of my time and energy for many years; it is a labour of love.
Speaking of imagination...that book you bid everyone "Au revoir" over,must have been a quality product ..as you finished it in ..WHAT?? 6 DAYS And you thought I had the imagination
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AUM said:Quote:
LoranTw said:Quote:
AUM said:
Imagination is a powerful force.
I started the book in 1997 and have published three previous editions, the last in 2002. I have been working on the 2006 edition for more than a year. The rewrite is now complete and awaits final input from the editors before internet publication in mid June.
Further revision and refinement will precede the print version later this year. The project has consumed much of my time and energy for many years; it is a labour of love.
Speaking of imagination...that book you bid everyone "Au revoir" over,must have been a quality product ..as you finished it in ..WHAT?? 6 DAYS And you thought I had the imagination
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trip said:Now if you could show me some proof supporting your claim that tip is more involving maybe we could have an intelligent discussion.
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It seems like all this angst over the Tip vs. 6-speed is caused by desperately wanting to be correct in ones choices before any facts are widely known. What a pity.
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trip said:Now if you could show me some proof supporting your claim that tip is more involving maybe we could have an intelligent discussion.
Well, I've tried to have intelligent discussions with 6-speed demagogues and have given up trying.
I am always intrigued by new automotive technology, especially when invented by some of the world's best performance car engineers.
I am even more interested in ways to overcome the "fun killer" effects of the cramped foot well that makes a modern 6-speed Porsche so frustrating to heel-and-toe if not available with "console delete" or the generous wheel base of the Carrera GT (Neither Teo Fabi nor the entire Andretti family would ever notice).
I think it will be great fun to see whose predictions and/or observations about the new net-centric Tiptronic are closest to the mark when I get a chance to drive a 997TT so equipped.
I'm perfectly happy to wait a while to develop accurate, comprehensive information before I purchase either a Tip or 6-speed.
It seems like all this angst over the Tip vs. 6-speed is caused by desperately wanting to be correct in ones choices before any facts are widely known. What a pity.
I won't go into convulsions if I'm not the absolute first to have the fastest, most fun 997TT in my neighborhood
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zzboba said:PAG could have saved us from this dilemma with the timely introduction of the PDK.
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Stealth said:
I think the angst is: who is getting their money's worth? Tip or manual buyers?
i'd be concerned about the resale value of tiptronic cars when PDK becomes available.