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trip said:
Totally networked means nothing if it doesn't make the car better to drive.
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BMCG said:
Well put RC.
Now Nick, I might see an enthusiasts choice including PDK, but a TIP? Having run a Tip and Manual back to back at a fairly technical track, found it distinctly less engaging to be working with the Tip...actually found it rather frustrating. Granted I've much less experience with a TIP, but following that encounter, neither was I persuaded to take on the learning curve.
BTW - even setting aside the Porsche bias that resonates through EVO...believe fair to assert that EVO is a cut above your average car mag. Their opinions resonate with insight and a passion for the art of driving.
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Unlike all other Porsche Tips, this one stays ready as it senses the cars accelleration, deacceleration, speed and the g loadings on the body
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RC said:
No, the "brain" of the manual is...the DRIVER. The brain of the Tiptronic is...the 997 Turbo's computer system.
Jun 4, 2006 4:25:02 AM
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All this tehnical mumbo jumbo means nothing if the car is less fun to drive and slower around the track. The latter is a fact that has been confirmed by Porsche and Rohl, the former is subjective but based on the opinions of every journalist who has driven it, the tip is less fun. I think I'll believe the non-biased opinions of the testers who have ACTUALY DRIVEN the car as opposed to the somewhat biased opinion of members who have already ordered a tiptroninc. If you want an automatic then by all means, buy one, but don't try and convince us manual drivers that its superior in anything but a straight line.
Jun 4, 2006 11:18:49 AM
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JimFlat6 said:
Polo, just to remind you, your '73 RS does have one minor assistant - a hydraulic clutch. 911s before yours had no clutch assistance, only a cable and spring, wich is simpler and gives more feel, imho.
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AUM said:
RC, all the subjective reports of everyone who has driven both transmissions favour the manual over the Tip for greater driver enjoyment. Your credibility is damaged by dismissing this steadily growing body of informed opinion.
Driving the Nordschleife quickly requires detailed track knowledge (that only comes with lots of fast laps). The frequency of gear changes is not very high and most of the track is driven in third and fourth gears. It is not difficult to be in the right gear.
The LSD and greater control of the manual will not only allow for faster lap times (as the driver's skill level improves with practice) but will also be far more rewarding for the enthusiast.
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JimFlat6 said:
Polo, just to remind you, your '73 RS does have one minor assistant - a hydraulic clutch. 911s before yours had no clutch assistance, only a cable and spring, wich is simpler and gives more feel, imho.
Jim - 911's didn't get the hydraulic clutch, until the G50 tranny was introduced in the 1987 Model-Year Carrera 3.2L.
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RC, all the subjective reports of everyone who has driven both transmissions favour the manual over the Tip for greater driver enjoyment. Your credibility is damaged by dismissing this steadily growing body of informed opinion.
Driving the Nordschleife quickly requires detailed track knowledge (that only comes with lots of fast laps). The frequency of gear changes is not very high and most of the track is driven in third and fourth gears. It is not difficult to be in the right gear.
The LSD and greater control of the manual will not only allow for faster lap times (as the driver's skill level improves with practice) but will also be far more rewarding for the enthusiast.
In basically every report I have seen, the car has been equiped with Sport Chrono and to my knowledge it was used by the journalists. Lets get real, Porsche obviously supplied the testers with Tip w/SC and there is absolutely no reason why journalists would neglect the sport button when doing a review of a car like this. It seems that you and possibly RC are in severe denial.
Jun 4, 2006 5:10:46 PM
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Aisxos said:
RC IF I DONT LIKE THE CAR WITH TIP. I WILL POST EVERYDAY A POST FULL OF "MY BEST WISHES" I promise that to you...
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AUM said:
RC, all the subjective reports of everyone who has driven both transmissions favour the manual over the Tip for greater driver enjoyment. Your credibility is damaged by dismissing this steadily growing body of informed opinion.The LSD and greater control of the manual will not only allow for faster lap times (as the driver's skill level improves with practice) but will also be far more rewarding for the enthusiast.
Jun 4, 2006 5:43:12 PM
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AUM said:
The next-generation two-pedal PDKs may well make the manual obsolete - another reason to enjoy it now.
Jun 4, 2006 6:01:43 PM