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Jun 1, 2006 7:05:20 PM

Apex Seeker: Junior; Loc: Vegas; Posts: 75, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006

PDK Transmission

I recently found the Rennteam site and know that I will be spending some time here! I am particulary interested in the PDK transmission and have read the posts here.

Does anyone have any confirmation when it might be available? It sounds like the performance difference might be worth waiting for if it won't be too long.

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Jun 1, 2006 8:17:11 PM

BSL: Co-Pilot; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 226, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 31, 2006; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

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Apex Seeker said:
I recently found the Rennteam site and know that I will be spending some time here! I am particulary interested in the PDK transmission and have read the posts here.

Does anyone have any confirmation when it might be available? It sounds like the performance difference might be worth waiting for if it won't be too long.

Depends on what you feel is "too long". If you want to wait less than a year, don't wait for the PDK.

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Jun 1, 2006 10:48:12 PM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

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Apex Seeker said:
I recently found the Rennteam site and know that I will be spending some time here! I am particulary interested in the PDK transmission and have read the posts here.

Does anyone have any confirmation when it might be available? It sounds like the performance difference might be worth waiting for if it won't be too long.

Technically, we don't have "confirmation" IF it will be available, let alone WHEN it might be available. The consensus amongst the rumourmongers is no earlier than 2008, and we are all hoping it is available in a 997TT (presumably with the S).

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Jun 1, 2006 11:11:31 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: PDK Transmission

On the safe side, no less than 1 year (MY 08) and no more than 3 years.

A wild guess: if not introduced at the same time of the 997TT cab, MY 09 (summer 08).

There are many people holding out for it (including me), it was mentionned recently it might be the last peice missing on the 997TT to make it phenomenal.

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Jun 1, 2006 11:19:37 PM

trip: Expert; Loc: Bay Area California , United States; Posts: 1691, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: PDK Transmission

I think the turbo is already phenomenal, especially with the 6 speed. I doubt the PDK will transform the car that much, maybe on the turbo s.

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Jun 1, 2006 11:39:55 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: trip

Re: PDK Transmission

Wait and see...

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Jun 2, 2006 2:15:46 AM

Apex Seeker: Junior; Loc: Vegas; Posts: 75, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: PDK Transmission

If the performance difference between the Tip S and the manuel transmission in the 997TT is as significant as is written in the automotive press, can the PDK trans realistically knock and additional .3 or .4 seconds off of the already quick 0-60 mph times of the Tip S transmission?

A quote from the June issue of Motor Trend re: the 997TT..."the latest Turbo is a stupefyingly impressive sports car. And our advice to all its competitors; sell every Ferrari, Corvette, and Lanborghini you can-before this monster gets that PDK transimission:

Hmmmmmm.....food for thought.

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Jun 2, 2006 2:25:16 AM

kaustin: Newbie; Loc: Florida; Posts: 4, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 19, 2006; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

Turbo cab was delayed 6 months and the rumor is the PDK may first show up in it.

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Jun 2, 2006 2:28:49 AM

trip: Expert; Loc: Bay Area California , United States; Posts: 1691, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2006; Reply to: kaustin

Re: PDK Transmission

Where did you hear that? It doesn't really make sense to introduce a racing type tranny in the more gt-ish turbo cab.

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Jun 2, 2006 10:54:57 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

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Apex Seeker said:
If the performance difference between the Tip S and the manuel transmission in the 997TT is as significant as is written in the automotive press, can the PDK trans realistically knock and additional .3 or .4 seconds off of the already quick 0-60 mph times of the Tip S transmission?
A quote from the June issue of Motor Trend re: the 997TT..."the latest Turbo is a stupefyingly impressive sports car. And our advice to all its competitors; sell every Ferrari, Corvette, and Lanborghini you can-before this monster gets that PDK transimission:

Hmmmmmm.....food for thought.

The major advantage of PDK over Tip will be visible at higher speeds (optimized gearing due to probably 7 gears vs. 5 gears). Of course the faster shift times of PDK will also improve acceleration figures.

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Jun 2, 2006 1:11:53 PM

KA: Newbie; Loc: Florida; Posts: 10, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 8, 2006; Reply to: trip

Re: PDK Transmission

Heard it from my dealer who just got back from Germany. He also mentioned that this tranny will be used in the Panamera and also the Cayenne which makes sense since it replaces the Tip. The question is just when...

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Jun 2, 2006 2:31:57 PM

mawyatt: Co-Pilot; Loc: Florida, Clearwater; Posts: 283, Gallery; Registered on: May 1, 2006; Reply to: KA

Re: PDK Transmission

I see you are from Florida, where abouts? I have a 997TT on order from Reeves in Tampa. Placed order April 7 but don't have a delivery date yet. Has the Tiptronic and Sport Options, I would like the PDK but feel the wait will be well over a year.

Mike

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Jun 2, 2006 3:50:48 PM

joe pruskowski: Newbie; Loc: Washington State, USA; Posts: 18, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2002; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

I just got a call from my dealer that I could build a 997tt. I told him that I would wait for a PDK (or whatever its called) transmission - his response was that it won't be until 2010 and probably not in the 997 series. I personally think he's blowing smoke, doesn't know - but I don't appreciate the potential misinformation. Anyway, needless to say I'll continue to be on the wait list (my next Porsche will have a PDK-like transmission) for a while longer.

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Jun 2, 2006 4:57:51 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: joe pruskowski

Re: PDK Transmission

Sales guy... Obviously he wants the sale now...

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Jun 2, 2006 4:59:08 PM

KA: Newbie; Loc: Florida; Posts: 10, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 8, 2006; Reply to: mawyatt

Re: PDK Transmission

Mike...I'm down in Naples...I actually purchased my 06 Range Rover from Reeves...decent group to work with.

Congrats on the 997TT, the waiting is the hardest part. I'm #1 on the list here for the GT3 RS which isn't out till March 07 so I still have a while to wait.

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Jun 2, 2006 7:39:55 PM

mawyatt: Co-Pilot; Loc: Florida, Clearwater; Posts: 283, Gallery; Registered on: May 1, 2006; Reply to: KA

Re: PDK Transmission

KA,

Thanks. Reeves seems like good folks. I had a issue with Bert Smith where I got my 97 993 from, so didn't go back. Good luck with your GT3RS.

Mike

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Jun 6, 2006 3:01:54 AM

AS: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 224, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 1, 2004; Reply to: mawyatt

Re: PDK Transmission

spoke to an engineer fm porsche germany regarding PDK. they've apparantly already resolved torque issues, & presently working on getting one PDK design to fit all P-cars. this is apparently quite challenging (space constraints for 911 & boxster, + diff. tranny layouts for mid vs. rear engine).

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Jun 6, 2006 3:16:49 AM

Apex Seeker: Junior; Loc: Vegas; Posts: 75, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006; Reply to: AS

Re: PDK Transmission

Thanks for the info AS. Did you get the sense that "quite challenging" might mean that the timeline for implementation might be longer than originally thought? Any speculation on when it might be brought to market, and if they would introduce it in several p-cars at the same time?

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Jun 6, 2006 3:54:00 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

Dont be too surprised to see the PDK introduced on the new 2008 Boxster first.

Porsche sells all the TT's they can make anyway.

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Jun 6, 2006 4:04:02 AM

Apex Seeker: Junior; Loc: Vegas; Posts: 75, Gallery; Registered on: May 30, 2006; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: PDK Transmission

Actually, I would be surprised. With the Carerra GT out of production, can you imagine Porsche launching this much anticipated cutting edge technology in any other car that than their flagship 911 Turbo? If they do, it would really be a shame!!

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Jun 6, 2006 5:19:03 AM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

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Apex Seeker said:
Actually, I would be surprised. With the Carerra GT out of production, can you imagine Porsche launching this much anticipated cutting edge technology in any other car that than their flagship 911 Turbo? If they do, it would really be a shame!!

Or on 997 GT2 ?!

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Jun 6, 2006 6:21:52 AM

JimFlat6: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cave , United States; Posts: 8633, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 25, 2004; Reply to: Nick_Athens

Re: PDK Transmission

Its too late to time the launch of PDK with the release of the GT2.

they may release PDK the same time as they do a new model, and the closest one is the revised 2008 Boxster. So thats why you might see it offered on the new Boxsters first and then the other models a few months later.

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Jun 6, 2006 6:33:35 AM

AS: Co-Pilot; Loc:; Posts: 224, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 1, 2004; Reply to: Apex Seeker

Re: PDK Transmission

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Apex Seeker said:
Thanks for the info AS. Did you get the sense that "quite challenging" might mean that the timeline for implementation might be longer than originally thought? Any speculation on when it might be brought to market, and if they would introduce it in several p-cars at the same time?

was told nothing abt timeline, nor how they plan to introduce to mkt. but if it's still being worked on by engineering, could be at least 1 year b/f it becomes aval.

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Jun 6, 2006 7:26:59 AM

Moogle: Rennteam Master; Loc: Bay Area , United States; Posts: 5019, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 9, 2003; Reply to: AS

Re: PDK Transmission

I would bet they release this transmission on a high echelon model first

Or secondly, mabye across the entire model range simultaneously?

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Jun 6, 2006 7:50:50 AM

Nick_Athens: Senior; Loc: Greece , Greece; Posts: 710, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2004; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: PDK Transmission

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JimFlat6 said:
Its too late to time the launch of PDK with the release of the GT2.

they may release PDK the same time as they do a new model, and the closest one is the revised 2008 Boxster. So thats why you might see it offered on the new Boxsters first and then the other models a few months later.

So they dont have in mind of selling any GT2...
I dont think that people are going to pay 180.000euros + for a car with manual transmission...
I see Ferrari's waiting lists becoming even longer...

Maybe Lambos sales too...

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Jun 6, 2006 8:28:04 AM

MKSGR: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 8098, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 17, 2002; Reply to: Nick_Athens

Re: PDK Transmission

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Aisxos said:

I dont think that people are going to pay 180.000euros + for a car with manual transmission...
I see Ferrari's waiting lists becoming even longer...
Maybe Lambos sales too...

Depends on how fast the GT2 with manual transmission will be

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Jun 6, 2006 3:01:37 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: MKSGR

Re: PDK Transmission

If they are still designing the PDK, I don't see how it could be in a production car in 1 year... That leads back to 2 years or 2009 model in summer 2008.

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Jun 6, 2006 3:18:39 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Moogle

Re: PDK Transmission

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Moogle said:
I would bet they release this transmission on a high echelon model first

Or secondly, mabye across the entire model range simultaneously?

I agree. Marketing wise they wouldn't release it on the boxster and work it's way up, it would be the other way around.

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Jun 6, 2006 9:21:27 PM

WBH: Expert; Loc: CA; Posts: 1963, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2004; Reply to: JimFlat6

Re: PDK Transmission

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JimFlat6 said:
Its too late to time the launch of PDK with the release of the GT2.

they may release PDK the same time as they do a new model, and the closest one is the revised 2008 Boxster. So thats why you might see it offered on the new Boxsters first and then the other models a few months later.

Given P can only struggle to sell about 50 GT2/yr in US, prob not a good PDK launch vehicle.....

And given P (and F's new-found) ability to maximize margins w/options pricing, I'd bet PDK will be a $10Kish option on launch (isn't F-1 box a $15Kish option?), so prob makes 997TT the most logical launch vehicle: sufficient MSRP, buyer base affluence and sales volumes to appropriately launch an expensive, important piece of optional technology.....

And I'm sure many will vehemently argue PDK is less involving/fun than archaic manual (and others will grouse about the stiff pricing), so it'll take 2-4 yrs before 90% of 997TT buyer base will sign up for PDK.....

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Jun 9, 2006 2:42:04 AM

cookie monster: Senior; Loc: US , United States; Posts: 564, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 8, 2005; Reply to: WBH

Re: PDK Transmission

Wow if the option is 15K ish USD, in HK with 200% tax it would be 30K ish that's 10% of the price of the turbo and almost 15% of the price of the carrera s which is running around 200K USD base tiptronic s. The option would be quite unreasonably priced in that case.

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