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May 12, 2006 7:05:16 AM
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I'm actually dissapointed...
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
well, the 430 is clearly much more powerful than the 360, while the 997gt3 is just a slightly more powerful than the old version and de facto weighs the same. the handling will be much improved though, which means on track it will look very much up there with the 430 (actually it will beat it on the Nring), but not on the Autobahn... same applies to the gt3rs imo..
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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IKE JR said:Quote:
The Hawk said:
F430
0 - 60 Km/h 1.6 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,1 s
0 - 100 Km/h 3,6 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5 s
0 - 140 Km/h 6,2 s
0 - 160 Km/h 8,1 s
0 - 180 Km/h 9,9 s
0 - 200 Km/h 12,5 s
Top Speed 317,7 Km/h
Where did u find this numbers man? Factory numbers or road test numbers?
Tanx
These numbers are Quatroruote test numbers
also i add 0-240: 21.5 seconds as i remember.
The car go 317.8kmh at the RPM 8650 however the redline is 8500 rpm
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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VGA18 said:Quote:
IKE JR said:Quote:
The Hawk said:
F430
0 - 60 Km/h 1.6 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,1 s
0 - 100 Km/h 3,6 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5 s
0 - 140 Km/h 6,2 s
0 - 160 Km/h 8,1 s
0 - 180 Km/h 9,9 s
0 - 200 Km/h 12,5 s
Top Speed 317,7 Km/h
Where did u find this numbers man? Factory numbers or road test numbers?
Tanx
These numbers are Quatroruote test numbers
also i add 0-240: 21.5 seconds as i remember.
The car go 317.8kmh at the RPM 8650 however the redline is 8500 rpm
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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The Hawk said:
F430
0 - 60 Km/h 1.6 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,1 s
0 - 100 Km/h 3,6 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5 s
0 - 140 Km/h 6,2 s
0 - 160 Km/h 8,1 s
0 - 180 Km/h 9,9 s
0 - 200 Km/h 12,5 s
Top Speed 317,7 Km/h
I read three different reviews of the F430, in NONE the F430 did 0-100 kph in less than 4 seconds.
Let me explain how SPORT AUTO does 0-100 kph testing (just in case there is some misunderstanding): several attempts, middle value is used. No brute force starting off, traction control systems / PSM / ESP usually turned off.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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Grant said:
However, I believe the suspension for the Z06 is equal in the US and Europe (no Z51 or other suspension option available on the Z06).
The Goodyear run-flats that come on the Z06 in all markets are pretty sticky for run flats but still have less traction and feedback than good non-runflats like PS2...
Grant, according to somebody who already owns a Z06 over here, the European chassis has been further modified, incl. stiffer springs and apparently also a slightly modified steering.
The run-flats used on the Z06 are NOT the usual run-flats from Goodyear but especially developped and adapted for the Z06. So I don't think you can say that they have less traction and feedback since they've been adapted to the Z06.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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fritz said:Quote:
mv said:
The thing is whether the GT3 AMS tested was properly broken in...
You do realize that you are now going to start another of those boring "What's the right way to break in a Porsche" threads that we have here on rennteam.com every coupla weeks?
Well I didn't mean if it had been broken in the right way but whether it had been broken in at all.
I just hope it wasn't (or it was
) a brand new car with just a few kilometres on it.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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RC said:Quote:
The Hawk said:
F430
0 - 60 Km/h 1.6 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,1 s
0 - 100 Km/h 3,6 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5 s
0 - 140 Km/h 6,2 s
0 - 160 Km/h 8,1 s
0 - 180 Km/h 9,9 s
0 - 200 Km/h 12,5 s
Top Speed 317,7 Km/h
I read three different reviews of the F430, in NONE the F430 did 0-100 kph in less than 4 seconds.
Let me explain how SPORT AUTO does 0-100 kph testing (just in case there is some misunderstanding): several attempts, middle value is used. No brute force starting off, traction control systems / PSM / ESP usually turned off.
Ferrari 430:
Test in ams 09/2005
Gewicht 1488 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,4 s
0 - 130 km/h 6,0 s
0 - 140 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,6 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,4 s
0 - 200 km/h 13,0 s
Test in Auto Zeitung 08/2005
Gewicht 1520 kg
0 - 80 km/h 2,9 s
0 - 100 km/h 3,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 6,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,3 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,6 s
0 - 200 km/h 13,2 s
Test in sport auto 01/2006
Gewicht 1493 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,1 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,5 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,4 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,4 s
0 - 200 km/h 12,6 s
These are all the tests I could dig up. The lowest AMS got was a 3,9-second 0-100 km/h time.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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mv said:
The thing is whether the GT3 AMS tested was properly broken in...
I still don't get it: what problem do some of you guys have with the AMS test results??? I don't understand. There is nothing free in life. If you want Carrera GT performance, get the Carrera GT. If you want 911 Turbo performance, get the 911 Turbo. If you want 911 GT2 performance, get the 911 GT2 when it comes out. Where's the problem?
The 997 GT3 is a very nice sportscar for an acceptable amount of money. But what did you guys expect from 415 HP?!
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
Call me a nitpicker but I expected the GT3 to fullfil mfr's claims or even slightly surpass them, which is not rare in case of Porsche. I know, it's a few tenths of second, but still.
It's an awesome car, that's for sure, but I'm now not sure whether its performance (if this is really all it can do) is impressive enough to attract 996 GT3 MK2 owners. It has 34hp more, and that's pretty much in case of Porsche, X50 speaks for itself, so it definitely could have done better.
I know, it's a few tenths of second, but still. It's an awesome car, that's for sure, but I'm now not sure whether its performance (if this is really all it can do) is impressive enough to attract 996 GT3 MK2 owners. It has 34hp more, and that's pretty much in case of Porsche, X50 speaks for itself, so it definitely could have done better.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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mv said:
Call me a nitpicker but I expected the GT3 to fullfil mfr's claims or even slightly surpass them, which is not rare in case of Porsche.
It's an awesome car, that's for sure, but I'm now not sure whether its performance (if this is really all it can do) is impressive enough to attract 996 GT3 MK2 owners. It has 34hp more, and that's pretty much in case of Porsche, X50 speaks for itself, so it definitely could have done better.
Like stated, only one test. Relax and wait for other tests. The car may have been badly broken in, might have had a "bad" engine or perhaps it just isn't faster than that. However, 13 seconds from 415 HP sounds great to me, especially when the F430 hardly reaches a better 100-200 km/h time than the GT3, with 75 extra HP.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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RC said:The run-flats used on the Z06 are NOT the usual run-flats from Goodyear but especially developped and adapted for the Z06. So I don't think you can say that they have less traction and feedback since they've been adapted to the Z06.
I won't argue that these EMT tires were developed for the Z06, but I think any tire engineer will tell you that there are compromises in performance and feedback when you add the additional requirement that they must be safe with Zero psi pressure at very high speed. Otherwise, all tires would be run-flat if there was no compromise. I think when an aftermarket tire becomes available in Z06 sizes that performance (and driving pleasure) will be improved.
As far as the different suspension and steering for the European markets, I do not know for certain and would like to see some conclusive details. Seems that many US buyers might like to add these parts if they exist...
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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mv said:
Call me a nitpicker but I expected the GT3 to fullfil mfr's claims or even slightly surpass them, which is not rare in case of Porsche.
It's an awesome car, that's for sure, but I'm now not sure whether its performance (if this is really all it can do) is impressive enough to attract 996 GT3 MK2 owners. It has 34hp more, and that's pretty much in case of Porsche, X50 speaks for itself, so it definitely could have done better.
Thats what I meant...
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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Grant said:
I won't argue that these EMT tires were developed for the Z06, but I think any tire engineer will tell you that there are compromises in performance and feedback when you add the additional requirement that they must be safe with Zero psi pressure at very high speed. Otherwise, all tires would be run-flat if there was no compromise. I think when an aftermarket tire becomes available in Z06 sizes that performance (and driving pleasure) will be improved.
As far as the different suspension and steering for the European markets, I do not know for certain and would like to see some conclusive details. Seems that many US buyers might like to add these parts if they exist...
Stiffer side walls affect traction and also braking.No doubt.
But IMO,it doesn't affect cornering speed that much on a track.
The high grip level of the track might be the reason.A normal tire deforms a lot and isn't in contact with the surface with its full width.
A stiffer sidewall could solve the problem but the noise levels and ride quality would worsen.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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RC said:Quote:
mv said:
The thing is whether the GT3 AMS tested was properly broken in...
I still don't get it: what problem do some of you guys have with the AMS test results??? I don't understand. There is nothing free in life. If you want Carrera GT performance, get the Carrera GT. If you want 911 Turbo performance, get the 911 Turbo. If you want 911 GT2 performance, get the 911 GT2 when it comes out. Where's the problem?
The problem is: the GT2 is not yet available
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