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Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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CF said:Sorry, I don't have the magazine.
But me.
straightline in kph:
0-80-----3,1
0-100----4,3
0-120----5,6
0-140----7,3
0-160----9,1
0-180----11,1
0-200----13,8
400m-----12,3 (189kph)
TopSpeed-------310 kph
Speed---Gear----sec
60-100--4./5.---5,1/6,8
80-120--4./5.---5,0/6,7
60-100--6.------8,4
80-120--6.------8,5
Slalom 18m:-----71,8 kph
ISO-Wedelgasse-(?! in engl.)-151,1 kph
"Moose"-Test-----------------85 kph in/65kph out
Braking (with PCCB):
100-0--cold/unloaded--35m
100-0--cold/loaded----35m
100-0--warm/loaded----35m
190-0-----------------123m
Weight: 1450 kg
Weight distribution: 39,1/60,9 %
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
Accelaration times are in pair with 996TT. Taking in count the weigth advantage of the GT3 I was expecting some better accelaration times. Anyway it's amazing what Porsche achived with this engine, 420Hp is quite something from an atmo engine. The 997TT will destroy this car is straigth line performance.
J.Seven
J.Seven
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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J.Seven said:
Accelaration times are in pair with 996TT. Taking in count the weigth advantage of the GT3 I was expecting some better accelaration times. Anyway it's amazing what Porsche achived with this engine, 420Hp is quite something from an atmo engine. The 997TT will destroy this car is straigth line performance.
J.Seven
The 996 Turbo did in most reviews 0-200 kph in around 14.6 seconds, so the 997 GT3 is faster.
The "ISO" test speed, which is some sort of handling test, is very impressive.
And of course the 997 Turbo will "destroy" the GT3 in straight line performance (and not only there I'm afraid, wait until SPORT AUTO publishes their numbers
) but there was nothing else to expect. On the other hand, the 997 Turbo weights almost 200 kg more than the GT3, for serious track racing over a couple of rounds not a very healthy weight, especially if I'm thinking about the tires and the brake system.
Also don't forget two other things:
1. the price difference (997 Turbo is almost 30000 Euro more expensive)
2. the fact that the GT3 RS will show up this fall, slightly cheaper than the 997 Turbo and substantially more expensive than the GT3
But still...in my opinion, there are two 911 right now which are the "best bang for the buck": the 997 Carrera (naked car with sport chassis) and the GT3.
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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Mike2 said:
straightline in kph:
0-80-----3,1
0-100----4,3
0-120----5,6
0-140----7,3
0-160----9,1
0-180----11,1
0-200----13,8
I think the Porsche published spec. for 0-160kph was 8.7sec, so that's a bit disappointing (996GT3 was 9.4 sec). So much for Porsche being conservative with the numbers...
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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J.Seven said:
Accelaration times are in pair with 996TT. Taking in count the weigth advantage of the GT3 I was expecting some better accelaration times. Anyway it's amazing what Porsche achived with this engine, 420Hp is quite something from an atmo engine. The 997TT will destroy this car is straigth line performance.
J.Seven
The 996 Turbo did in most reviews 0-200 kph in around 14.6 seconds, so the 997 GT3 is faster.
The "ISO" test speed, which is some sort of handling test, is very impressive.
And of course the 997 Turbo will "destroy" the GT3 in straight line performance (and not only there I'm afraid, wait until SPORT AUTO publishes their numbers
On the other hand, the 997 Turbo weights almost 200 kg more than the GT3, for serious track racing over a couple of rounds not a very healthy weight, especially if I'm thinking about the tires and the brake system.
Also don't forget two other things:
1. the price difference (997 Turbo is almost 30000 Euro more expensive)
2. the fact that the GT3 RS will show up this fall, slightly cheaper than the 997 Turbo and substantially more expensive than the GT3
But still...in my opinion, there are two 911 right now which are the "best bang for the buck": the 997 Carrera (naked car with sport chassis) and the GT3.
Actually the last 996TT I've seen tested, was a 996TT Cab with 420Hp engine and it made something around 13,6/13,8 sec till 200Kph, but maybe it had some magic PAG power powder
I was never a fan of the GT3 looks ever since the 993, those rear wings and macho front spoilers never did it for me, but the 997GT3 is indeed a very agressive and beautiful car (apart from the hidious rear wing) The rear bumper is beautiful and not overdesigned , all car has a exoctic kind of look that I like, at least from the pics.
J.Seven
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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Mike2 said:
straightline in kph:
0-80-----3,1
0-100----4,3
0-120----5,6
0-140----7,3
0-160----9,1
0-180----11,1
0-200----13,8
I think the Porsche published spec. for 0-160kph was 8.7sec, so that's a bit disappointing (996GT3 was 9.4 sec). So much for Porsche being conservative with the numbers...
That could be due to the extra weight it's carrying. Porsche claims 1395kg and now actual weight is 1450kg.
It sure does make you question Porsche's conservative performance numbers. Which may not bode well for the Turbo. Motor Trend might've been a fluke.
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IKE JR said:
Anyone has more info abou the 997GT3?
What kind of info are you looking for? I think that pretty much everything has been said about the 997 GT3.
Hi "RC",
I'd like to know everything about the 997GT3 performance in the road, no only at the track, like, how usable is this car near a 997TT or his older brother 996GT3 that was a not usable car for the roads.
Tanx RC
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No Problem!
Concerning the weight: there is nothing mentioned if its the normal DIN weight (with "the average 75kg driver", 3/4 full tank and 7kg baggage) or just the car.
I think the weight 1,450kg or about 3,200 lbs is weight of just the car with fluids. This is one area where Porsche fibs a bit. 3,200 lbs is just a tad heavier than the real-world weight of the 996GT3 - about the same.
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IKE JR said:Quote:
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IKE JR said:
Anyone has more info abou the 997GT3?
What kind of info are you looking for? I think that pretty much everything has been said about the 997 GT3.
Hi "RC",
I'd like to know everything about the 997GT3 performance in the road, no only at the track, like, how usable is this car near a 997TT or his older brother 996GT3 that was a not usable car for the roads.
Tanx RC
There is an article on the GT3 I believe in EVO and in Top Gear. Basically the car is OK on smooth pavement but if it get bumpy it will rattle your teeth. They also indicated the speed of the 997GT3 was not that noticeable over the 996GT3.
I can't imagine anyone using this as a daily car. But I have I learned Porsche owners are a funny bunch. Large wing tails and dated styling doesn't phase them.
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1450 is just the weight of the car as AMS measures it. funnily enough this is with carbon brakes and seats, saving approx 30 kilo altogether. This means that the car in reality is 1480 heavy, which would be only about 120 (and not 200) less than the turbo with carbon brakes.
funnily enough the z06 weighs 1453 without any gimmicks. comparing the AMS data of the two it clearly shows that the gt3 is slower in the straight line, but dynamically it must be a monster. the ISO Wedelgasse is taken at 151mh with the gt3 while the z06 passes it with 141 kmh. that's quite adifference. no doubt that the 61% weight distribution of the P vs the 49% of the z06 help a lot here. and let's not forget the tires..
cheers
funnily enough the z06 weighs 1453 without any gimmicks. comparing the AMS data of the two it clearly shows that the gt3 is slower in the straight line, but dynamically it must be a monster. the ISO Wedelgasse is taken at 151mh with the gt3 while the z06 passes it with 141 kmh. that's quite adifference. no doubt that the 61% weight distribution of the P vs the 49% of the z06 help a lot here. and let's not forget the tires..
cheers
May 11, 2006 1:16:19 PM
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Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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turbolite said:
1450 is just the weight of the car as AMS measures it. funnily enough this is with carbon brakes and seats, saving approx 30 kilo altogether. This means that the car in reality is 1480 heavy, which would be only about 120 (and not 200) less than the turbo with carbon brakes.
funnily enough the z06 weighs 1453 without any gimmicks. comparing the AMS data of the two it clearly shows that the gt3 is slower in the straight line, but dynamically it must be a monster. the ISO Wedelgasse is taken at 151mh with the gt3 while the z06 passes it with 141 kmh. that's quite adifference. no doubt that the 61% weight distribution of the P vs the 49% of the z06 help a lot here. and let's not forget the tires..
cheers
What tyres Z06 had on the Nurburgring? Semislick or normal? Lap time: 7:42,9 .
http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073&mID=1384471&l=d
May 11, 2006 4:38:16 PM
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Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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turbolite said:
1450 is just the weight of the car as AMS measures it. funnily enough this is with carbon brakes and seats, saving approx 30 kilo altogether. This means that the car in reality is 1480 heavy, which would be only about 120 (and not 200) less than the turbo with carbon brakes.
funnily enough the z06 weighs 1453 without any gimmicks. comparing the AMS data of the two it clearly shows that the gt3 is slower in the straight line, but dynamically it must be a monster. the ISO Wedelgasse is taken at 151mh with the gt3 while the z06 passes it with 141 kmh. that's quite adifference. no doubt that the 61% weight distribution of the P vs the 49% of the z06 help a lot here. and let's not forget the tires..
cheers
What tyres Z06 had on the Nurburgring? Semislick or normal? Lap time: 7:42,9 .
Probably normal, but this time is just the time claimed by Corvette and not independently verified. We'd have to get a sportauto test to know for sure.
what they have measured though is a 1.11,5 on hockenheim with normal tires, which is an absolute dream-time. no Porsche except CGT beats that so far...
May 11, 2006 5:38:58 PM
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Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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What tyres Z06 had on the Nurburgring? Semislick or normal? Lap time: 7:42,9 .
The lap time has NEVER been officially confirmed, not by the Nuerburgring administration, not by car magazines and not by any independence sources. We even don't know if this time has been achieved with a "flying start" or not.
As to the tires, same thing: nothing official, nothing confirmed. The Corvette Z06 delivered for the European market (includes a modified chassis for a sportier drive according to GM, something our US friends may not know) uses Goodyear Eagle F1 tires which have been especially developped for the Z06 (so it is comparable to the Porsche N-classified tires) but have a run flat capability too with the original rims (tire pressure monitoring system mandatory). They are great on dry pavement, not that bad on wet pavement and pretty horrible on cold pavement (temperatures below 11*C).
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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RC said:As to the tires, same thing: nothing official, nothing confirmed. The Corvette Z06 delivered for the European market (includes a modified chassis for a sportier drive according to GM, something our US friends may not know) uses Goodyear Eagle F1 tires which have been especially developped for the Z06 (so it is comparable to the Porsche N-classified tires) but have a run flat capability too with the original rims (tire pressure monitoring system mandatory). They are great on dry pavement, not that bad on wet pavement and pretty horrible on cold pavement (temperatures below 11*C).
RC - The Corvette C6 (not Z06) comes with a sportier suspension (option Z51) as standard equipment in Europe (Z51 also includes better brakes, power steering and tranny oil coolers, and lower gear ratios). This option is only $1,500 in the US.
However, I believe the suspension for the Z06 is equal in the US and Europe (no Z51 or other suspension option available on the Z06).
The Goodyear run-flats that come on the Z06 in all markets are pretty sticky for run flats but still have less traction and feedback than good non-runflats like PS2...
Re: AMS 997 GT3 TEST
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The Hawk said:
F430
0 - 60 Km/h 1.6 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,1 s
0 - 100 Km/h 3,6 s
0 - 120 Km/h 5 s
0 - 140 Km/h 6,2 s
0 - 160 Km/h 8,1 s
0 - 180 Km/h 9,9 s
0 - 200 Km/h 12,5 s
Top Speed 317,7 Km/h
Where did u find this numbers man? Factory numbers or road test numbers?
Tanx
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